Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say "click"?

2007-04-19 Thread Helen Morgan

Hi John,

Do you ever find that your solution causes you page layout problems 
(that is, including the uri as the link text)?


When I first encountered “web standards” folk, it was suggested to me 
that including uris as link text wasn’t ideal for accessibility reasons, 
because of screen readers reading them out (tedious and often 
meaningless for end user – Patrick Lauke summarises this in a post to 
the list back on 31 October 2005, “Re: [WSG] {WSG] What's the best way 
to display links?”.


Placing the  tag around descriptive text can be more meaningful 
(just as placing the  around "Click Here" can be meaningless). 
But in the largely academic world that I work in, scholarly citation is 
the key to what we do, so we see including a url in its full glory on 
the page as necessary, and at present we do make it the text that is 
linked. This sometimes causes me problems in the design, breaking page 
layout – possibly because I am not a brilliant exponent of css - 
especially when you are citing urls created by government departments 
which ridiculously long.


I am aware of several workarounds, but haven’t found them satisfactory.

Cheers,
Helen


John Foliot wrote:

James Leslie wrote:

On a related note, though not involving galleries, I find a lot of
our clients want to have linked text along the lines of "Click here
for more details on product x". I have managed to fairly much insist
that we always use the entire sentence as a link to show context,
rather than just the "click here" that they tend to want being the
only linked part. The main reason I have not been able to get rid of
the "click here" part altogether though is due to an absence of a
suitable alternative that incorporates other technologies... Does
anyone have any suggestions for these circumstances?


One thing I try to encourage is to rephrase the statement to actually
present the URL as part of the "on screen" text, for example:

"...More information regarding foobar can be found at: link_uri."

1) almost everyone recognizes a structured URI as being a link, there is no
ambiguity there
2) surprisingly, some people still print out web pages, and providing the
actual uri in print benefits these people
3) making the uri the actual link text ensures that the link text is unique
for the page
4) this is technology agnostic

JF

*blah blah in uri above = title, class or id declarations as
required/desired



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RE: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

2006-02-15 Thread Helen Morgan



Don't assume anything... whether or not it's best practice.


Good points you make here Lisa. If I could pick up on the term "best 
practice" too. It drives me and my colleagues mad, because people seem to 
use it as an excuse not to think sometimes. We prefer the term "better 
practice", and to keep to the horse analogy, I guess it's all horses for 
courses!


Cheers,
Helen  


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[WSG] Web Standards Shetland Ponies

2006-01-31 Thread Helen Morgan

Hi folks,

I've been on this list since returning from WE05 in Sydney last October, 
hoping that the same feeling of sharing and openness would prevail. It does 
to a certain extent, but the few glaring exceptions have tended to put me 
off posting to the list.


Some people write as if there were a club, a them and us, people who get it 
and people who don't, and never the twain shall meet. I remember at WE05 
Molly Holzschlag asking us what we called ourselves, and there were some 
very diverse answers (my favourite was "the guy who does stuff"). Elsewhere 
(on Flickr) I've seen her reminding us that lots of us are good at 
different aspects of what we do and together we make a good team. I'd like 
to think that this web standards community is a team, not a club where only 
some of us are "truly" web professionals.


Cheers,
Helen

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