Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?

[JohnyB]

I think it is a lot easier to treat all IE/win (5+) as one and
the same, so I always use the Me too. I also prefer to throw all IE/Win into one basket...
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Re: [WSG] I'll Have Fries(Chips)With My CMS

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I think that Drupal.org is far better than Mambo...
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Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?

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Yes, it is there to force the quirks mode. I personally prefer the XML 
prolog there (however I don't know why I haven't placed it in my 
StyleMaster template :/ ...). It works as well...

More info on topic:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/about-boxmodel.htm
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Re: [WSG] when xhtml2?

[JohnyB]

Five to ten years I think... It's a concept of a direction ve should 
lead to, but it's just a subject of discussion now.

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Re: [WSG] background-image:

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We're talking about image replacement I supposse :)
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Re: [WSG] Conditional comments

[JohnyB]

Does this really work on IE? Can I really use transparency in my PNG-24 and
have IE display it? Or is there some hidden catch?
It is used so here: http://dev.alphanumeric.cz/webspace -- there are 
some gotchas, like making the whole block transparent, so it's not to 
possible to click on it if it's an anchor etc., so some further 
adjustments are needed :(

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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

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standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? )
Eh, I won't suggest it to beginner - skilled coder knows all the 
gotchas, but beginner may just stuck with the WYSIWYG and do it badly.

Everebody in our workshop works with PSPad on almost everything.
If you want to try WYSIWYG I'd suggest trying NVU...
and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance.
For example here :) It's up to you if you prefer articles on 
webmagazines (alistapart.com etc.) or reading books (see amazon.com).

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Re: [WSG] background-image:

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Just like with browsers, what screenreaders *should* do is not
always the same as what they *actually* do in practice.
I know, I know... I just needed to vent it :(
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Re: [WSG] background-image:

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perfectly safe, no scrollbars, and indeed you don't even need the
 element.  just set the text-indent on the a, and the text will
be offscreen, with the background image still in place.
That's nice, however ...
I've never gotten that technique to work properly in Opera. It always either
a) makes scrollbars
b) displays some of the text despite insane negative text-indent values...
... I'm quite afraid of that :(
Add top:-1000px; left:-1000px; and you'll be bullet proof ;)
No scrollbar problems here?
Actually... Why the hell do we need to do this? :( Screen readers should 
only stick with the aural styles and not the screen ones (not ignoring 
elements, that are not to be displayed) so only display: none in screen 
style would do the work :'( ...

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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

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Can anyone clarify?
Me not :) However I'd use construction like
...
Table of contents
...
and you're done.
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Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

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multiple media attrib values are to be seperated by a comma _only_
Huh, thanks for the info, never noticed it.
(Alhough I don't put the space there, just surprised with it)
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Re: [WSG] background-image:

[JohnyB]

Hi Patrick,
a span { display: block; text-indent: -999em; }
is this safe? (won't it bring some scrollbars somehow etc.?)
I recently tried something like
.hide {
  display: block;
  width: 0;
  height: 0;
  overflow: hidden;
  margin: 0;
  padding: 0;
  font-size: 0px;
  position: absolute;
}
and not also 100% sure about it...
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Re: [WSG] Conditional comments

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I'm pushing transparency to IE this way:
#logo {
  background: url('img/logo.png') no-repeat;
}
* html #logo {
  background: none;
  filter: 
progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='img/logo.png',sizingMethod='scale');
}

and it's even better to place all this non-standard crap in something 
like iecrap.css and link this by conditional comment.

Or - the idea with PHP:
#logo {
  background: url('img/logo.php') no-repeat;
}
and the logo.php file would check user-agent string and decide, whether 
to send PNG headers and fpassthru logo.png or to send GIF headers and 
fpassthru logo.gif ...

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Re: [WSG] Brisbane meeting - preferred topic?

[JohnyB]

Hi Andrew,
I presonally vote for
option 1. 
"Safely Hacking CSS"
...plus a little bit more ;)
:)
P.S -- don't worry if you're not from Brissy, you can still voice your
preference as the resources will go online aswell :)
Nice... Unfortunately not planning to attend it (few thousand kms aren't 
easy to travel :D), so I'm happy to hear this. Anybody to shot some pics 
or footage? ;)

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Re: [WSG] Behaviors

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Damn :( Although it (AFAIK) is adopted as standard(?) it is practically 
useless :(

Dziekuje,
Jan.
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[WSG] Behaviors

[JohnyB]

Hi list,
can someone provide any piece of information about behaviors in CSS, 
please? I've just went thru http://www.w3.org/TR/becss and 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xbl/ , but is here someone with practical info?

Thank you,
Jan.
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Re: [WSG] setting height of a 'li' element

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And what about line-height? It could be applicable here.
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Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

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I'm sorry - I'll try that again.
No problem, I got it.
That'll teach me to post before morning caffeine! :(
People after evening r**bull will surely forgive you ;))
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Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

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Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based 
on it AFAIK. It is supported in latest IE, Gecko or Opera (don't know 
the situation on OSX)
Well, GMail works on the various browsers (ok, I havent tested *all* of 
them), so I can report it works there too :)
Yep, I know, but it might gracefully degrade there so it worked (via 
another - maybe server-side technology etc. - haven't seen it in action).

However at least in Safari 1.2 it works.
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Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

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It involves using an XMLHttpRequest Object
Yes, it can be also used.
I think it's interesting that a method developed by MircoSoft for an 
ActiveX extension is being discussed in a site for Apple developers.
Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based on 
it AFAIK. It is supported in latest IE, Gecko or Opera (don't know the 
situation on OSX)

The article says the W3C is considering a standard for the 
XMLHttpRequest Object.
Good news.
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Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

[JohnyB]

Perhaps designing for 480x640 then instead of 640x480...;) 
:DD
Actually, noc necessarily - these VGA gadgets can operate in "landscape" 
mode...

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Re: [WSG] problems fitting content in third column in IE win

[JohnyB]

Well, Bruce, it is broken in FF 0.9.3 Win too...
http://tmp.alphanumeric.cz/Image31.png
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Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

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we aren’t designing for 600 * 480 anymore!
Well, maybe we'll begin again shortly - new PDAs are comming to the 
market with VGA (480x640) resolution... :P

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Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

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Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking.
Not only your personal preference...
As a showcase of some key features of CSS technology it's OK even if 
it's not "so usable", not em-sized etc.

Actually I think the colors are great, I love this combination of this 
tint of green with that pink...

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Re: [WSG] Popups (plus, standards-based event handling)

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window.onload = externalLinks;
This is fine, if it's the only code you are assigning to onload, but it  
overwrites any previous onloads and is overwritten by subsequent  
onloads. ...
Another issue is that it works only after loading the whole page... I 
use it in (testing setup of) a photogallery on 
http://lesik.cz/index.php?i=4 and visitor "has to" wait for the whole 
page to load to have it fully functional (Actually they don't wait and 
the have the less functional version...). So I was wondering if placing 
the 

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

[JohnyB]

link, providing two media types separated bya a comma and a space:

If you need to use a style switcher,  is the only choice. I
personally prefer using  rather than @import.
@import has another issue, called FOUC
Yes, this is the information I wanted to send to the list - I also 
prefer link w/ 2 medias...

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Re: [WSG] London Web Standards Conference

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I'd love to be there too, I'll try to manage it somehow.
PS: Cool website, congratulations Patrick.
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Re: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

[JohnyB]

HTMLArea3RC, FCKEditor...
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Re: [WSG] PC IE problem

[JohnyB]

Huh, don't know why, but this quick'n'dirty hack worked:
* html #banner {width: 101.9%;}
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Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

[JohnyB]

Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE>
I agree.
However, the main menu doesn't work in FF 0.9.3...
And the problem in IE - try to use some IE-only rules (* html foo) to 
adjust it.

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Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

[JohnyB]

Change & to &, e.g.
http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=results&; 
id=dauckf&r=1&f=0&t=0

Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work?   
It works fine...
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Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

[JohnyB]

& => &
I tried & but it doesn't work for these external links to this 
particular external website.  That's the whole issue.

Weird... It must work.
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Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

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& => &
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Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

[JohnyB]

One can easily establish that by looking at the HTTP response times, the 
file extension
Eg. our servers don't send anything like that...
-*-*-
Response Headers - http://www.alphanumeric.cz/
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:16:31 GMT
Server: Apache
Vary: Accept,Accept-Encoding
Content-Encoding: gzip
Content-Length: 6248
Keep-Alive: timeout=10
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml
Response Headers - http://www.webcore.cz/
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:17:26 GMT
Server: Apache
Last-Modified: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:53:43 GMT
Etag: "40d121-5b2-68c7cbc0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 1458
Keep-Alive: timeout=10
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html
...
-*-*-
SE really can't figure this out. The page is a document. And it doesn't 
matter how it was assembled.

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Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

[JohnyB]

Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or 
dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology...

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Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

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The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really
don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs.
I definitely agree with you Collin. I just want to show this as an 
example how to structure it in a different way than by some types of 
lists. It is neither an ideal nor the only solution... I personally like 
the definiton lists here, but I can't decide whether they are 
semantically correct for this use...

(PS: I'm sorry for my English, I hope you can understand it...)
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Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

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Well, although definition lists are IMHO OK, I use just anonymous 
elements (+ headings, paragraphs etc.) - 
http://wellstyled.com/css-photo-cards.html or 
http://murphy.cz/hofy/galerie-plavacek.htm

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Re: [WSG] IE 5

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I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered
any problems running multiple versions?
Nope, because: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ...
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Re: [WSG] Need help with the list style

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ctrl+f5 ?
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Re: [WSG] Validation Error

[JohnyB]

W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/
No error or warning found
Congratulations!
Valid CSS!
This document validates as CSS!
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Re: [WSG] voice browser

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You should try Fangs (Jaws emulator plugin for FF) before...
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05
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Re: [WSG] CSS alignment issues

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Take a look at 
http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html ...

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Re: [WSG] an even more amazing css zen garden entry

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WOW... Yeah, that's the right one to be posted here :
Sweet 90ies ;)
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Re: [WSG] Table with alternating row colours

[JohnyB]

Is this a limitation of the CSS model that you can't do this? Is there
a logical way this can be incorporated into CSS?
CSS3 -- 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/#structural-pseudos

tr:nth-child(2n+1) /* represents every odd row of a HTML table */
tr:nth-child(odd)  /* same */
tr:nth-child(2n)   /* represents every even row of a HTML table */
tr:nth-child(even) /* same */
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Re: [WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode

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Never include the  declaration.
And then use UTF-8.
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Re: [WSG] My Site

[JohnyB]

Try http://colorschemer.com/
Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
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Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

[JohnyB]

Does anyone know of any existing (and much simpler) JavaScript libraries
that enable :hover, :focus, and :active for non anchor tags for IE?
Look it up in http://alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns
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Re: [WSG] Template StyleSheet

[JohnyB]

The W3 Spec for CSS2 has one for HTML4 but I don't see any ryhme or 
reason in the way it's laid it out. They're recommending that all 
developers use this stylesheet as a template. Can someone explain it to me?
Well, I will at least try to... This generic stylesheet is provided by 
W3C to unify all the default settings of browsers to avoid eg. 
unexpected margins or different heading size in various ones.

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Re: [WSG] Testing for standards in different web browsers, 3 questions.

[JohnyB]

All of this was answered here some two days ago...
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Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

[JohnyB]

The reason PHP breaks is because PHP does not support Unicode.
Unfortunately there are many applications that require certain 
characters  at the very beginning of file, like "There is a solution... http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22108
human:/usr/src/php-5.0.3# ./configure --help | grep multibyte
  --enable-mbstring   Enable multibyte string support.
  --disable-mbregex MBSTRING: Disable multibyte regex support.
  --enable-zend-multibyte Compile with zend multibyte support.
human:/usr/src/php-4.3.9# ./configure --help | grep multibyte
  --enable-mbstring   Enable multibyte string support.
  --disable-mbregex MBSTRING: Disable multibyte regex support
  --enable-zend-multibyte Compile with zend multibyte support.
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Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

[JohnyB]

BOM is a Unicode standard. Without BOM, applications have to waste resources...
But not in UTF-8. There they are not used and will not be.
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Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

[JohnyB]

How do I remove this BOM marker once it's inserted? Damn it, it causes all my XSL transformations on Java to fail!
I use PSPad (www.pspad.com), it doest it transparently (if set in 
preferences).

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Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE

[JohnyB]

mind sharing how you get the function to fire off after the menus are loaded?
Just move the 

Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE

[JohnyB]

now the problem is when the site is loading the drop down menu doesn't
work till the whole site is loaded. this only happen in ie so i think
it's a problem with the javascript.
It looks like the JS handler is called after loading the whole page 
(onload)... I'm doing it in a bit different way - I'm not firing the 
listeners after loading the whole page, but after loading just the menu, 
it's enough.

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Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

[JohnyB]

I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA
Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test 
the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... 
it's still a great idea...

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Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

[JohnyB]

Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those "Mac emulators" 
that only let you run Mac OS 7.5...
If this is targeted to me, than thanks for advice, but don't be afraid, 
I'll try to run Panther via PearPC. And I'm going to buy an 
(i|Power)Book soon (I love it, but Mac is not much common here in 
Central Europe, only DTP ops and some designers have it).

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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

[JohnyB]

Due to modularization.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_iframemodule
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/introduction.html#s_intro
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Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

[JohnyB]

I'll show my setup...
1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got
IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?)
IE 4.0, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6.0, planning IE/Mac via PearPC.
http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php
2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding them here, but usually the install
instructions advise us not to have more than 1 version of Mozilla etc)
PH 0.5, FF 1.0, Moz 1.0, Moz 1.3, Moz 1.6
in different dirs
3) Opera (only got the most recent version but they seem pretty consistent
throughout the major revisions)
They aren't much consistent :'(
Actually having 6.01, 7.00, 7.21, 7.23, 7.50, 7.54
4) Netscape (anybody still got a copy of that ugly monster 4? I'd like to
have it)
None, because it gets unsyled docs...
http://browsers.evolt.org/?navigator/32bit
5) Konqueror
2.2.2, 3.3.2
6) Epiphany
None.
7) Safari (it's supposed to be based on Konqueror so I do my testing based
on the results from Konqueror due to the lack of a Mac)
None, planning 1.2 via PearPC (or via buying an iBook). Safari 1.1+ (?) 
is slightly different from Konqueror.

8) PDA UAs (got an IPaq, yay)
PocketIE on PPC2002 and WM2003, N6230, Opera SSR.
How many machines do you have running in your cubicle?
One. (Linux LiveCD, PearPC, VMWare... etc.)
Well, actually I do not test with all of these browsers. I'm checking 
the results only in few of the latest...

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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

[JohnyB]

may I find out why exactly?
Due to modularization.
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Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

[JohnyB]

I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really
doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool
(even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and
the rendered ocean floor has really nice lighting, but besides that...
I have to agree with your post, Andrew.
This is quite interesting toy for playing, but the overall look'n'feel 
really doesn't seem "wow" to me...

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Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

[JohnyB]

But I have noticed some browsers completely ignore input styles.
Yes, but it is partly a good thing - some elements should really be 
rendered by the system GUI...
See http://www.pixy.cz/blog/obrazky/styled-forms.gif for comparison.

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Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

[JohnyB]

need to apply styles to  to style the entire viewport.
Well, actually this behavior is also somehow "magic" :) -  is just 
another element and is not connected to the viewport... So it might 
someday be threated the same as now the  is :)

// Yes, I agree this behavior is alright and I know the solution - I 
just wanted someone to show me this point written or described 
somewhere, that's all - thanks for it.

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Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

[JohnyB]

difference between HTML and XHTML. This is usually referred to as BODY 
not being "magical" anymore, and it's expected behaviour.
OK, thank you for information, I found it mentioned also in 
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff - new 
feature to me, so I just wanted to find some background about it.

Thanks for your time.
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Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

[JohnyB]

Your two example pages look identical to me.
Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP
Sorry, my fault... Now it should be OK. (You've seen another interesting 
fact - if html element has an attached bg, body always shrinks to fit 
only the content)

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[WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

[JohnyB]

Hi all,
I've come across a weird thing - Gecko browsers in XHTML 1.1 with 
Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml render the visual style of the body 
element in a bit different way than without this header (so the SGML 
parser processes it differently than the XML parser). You can see it 
here - http://tmp.anum.biz/bug-app-xhtml.php and 
http://tmp.anum.biz/bug-app-xhtml.php?xml=false ...

It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to 
the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html 
element instead of the body element, but I just want to ask in general - 
is this difference a standard behavior and a standard interpretation of 
the XML parser?

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