Re: [WSG] Certified Usable
Valid Code may not necessarily equal a usable system. According to the ISO usablity is: The extent to which a product can be used by specified users to achieve specified goals with effectiveness, efficiency and satisfaction in a specified context of use. Everybody's favourite Jakob Nielson defines usability as: Usability is defined by five quality components: * Learnability: How easy is it for users to accomplish basic tasks the first time they encounter the design? * Efficiency: Once users have learned the design, how quickly can they perform tasks? * Memorability: When users return to the design after a period of not using it, how easily can they reestablish proficiency? * Errors: How many errors do users make, how severe are these errors, and how easily can they recover from the errors? * Satisfaction: How pleasant is it to use the design? Having valid HTML, CSS may improve the efficiency of a web system but it does not improve it's usability. Jon On 3/20/06, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Disclaimer: my company Gruden, is partnered with PTG. We've enjoyed > working with them for a number of years and I think the results have > been good. Anyway enough of that rubbish. > > I don't really know much about Certified Usable so I won't way into > that debate - maybe someone from PTG could jump on and answer any > questions about that. I do however know about their site as I was > involved in putting it together. > > Robbie: Yes the drop down level nav requires Javascript, however you > can access every page on the site without Javascript. Click a top > level item in the header and you get the sub items down the left. > > Steve: Link is fixed. > > Kay & Steve: Yup guilty on the validation stuff. However I am going to > blame the CMS. The site is currently running Shado 6 which has some > glitches such as: > - limited access to the head section (hence in the body & bodgy > XHTML on some meta elements), > - the insertion of proprietary elements () and > - issues with the WYSIWYG editor (s, image attributes, etc..). > > We've been pestering Straker (the makers of Shado) about this for > years and to their credit they have listened - there is a more recent > version of Shado (version 7) which fixes these issues. We are planning > on upgrading the PTG site to this version some time in the next 3 to 6 > months. > > Disclaimer 2: Gruden are also Shado partners. > > > On 3/20/06, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/20/06, Steve Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Their page is generated from the "Shado CMS built by Straker > > > Interactive Ltd" so I assume getting real WAI validation would be > > > nearly impossible for their own web site. > > > > Just a quick note: I've played a little with Shado CMS and I'm fairly > > certain that it allows you to create your templates however you wish - > > I'd be willing to bet that this is one case where the problems > > *cannot* be blamed on the CMS. > > > > -- > > Kay Smoljak > > http://kay.zombiecoder.com/ > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > > -- > Mark Stanton > Gruden Pty Ltd > http://www.gruden.com > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] browser statistics
Hello List, It very much depends on your users and your market. Browser usage will vary widely according to the segment your website(s) are targetting; consumer, business, geek etc.. The most useful information is most likely to be in your server logs. For example slashdot.org has a very high number of Firefox users (30%), whereas the company I work for which is consumer focused has a very high number of IE users and a relatively small number of Firefox users (15%). There are a few large web metrics companies that provide extremely useful services for a price: - Webside story - Neilson Netratings - Omniture jon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
Whilst Firefox may be a bloody good browser, shouldn't the WSG list be more about lobbying for a range of browsers that are Web Standards friendly. IE may cause most web developers committed to standards to pull their hair out but the fact is it is still used by the majority of interner users and unless MS totally disappears this is likely to continue. I find the whole "smash IE" and support firefox thing a total waste of energy. What does this really do for web standards? Jonothan On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:53:12 +0100, Trovster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's browse happy campaign - http://browsehappy.com/ which talks > about experiences from changing from IE to Opera/Mozilla/Firefox and > Safari > > Trev > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Escaped &'s in field values.
Assuming that you're using XHTML, you need to use the "proper" HTML entity for & which is: & I don't know that this will help your js problems, but it will mean that your page will be valid XML. More info at: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html Jonothan On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:55:20 -0500, Brian Duchek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why not just escape(selected.value) the "improperly" encoded value to > convert the "&" to "&"? > > > > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:25 -0400, Scott Reston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've got a form element that contains values that include escaped > > ampersands. eg, > > > > This & That > > > > > > I'm finding that when I use javascript to get the value of the (selected index of > > the) field, the value that javascript gets has the &, not & > > > > My character set for the form is ISO-8859-1. > > > > I'm using the form input on another page and want to stay XHTML... Does anyone > > have any insight into why I wouldn't get the whole value and what I can do to > > remedy the situation? > > > > Scott Reston > > Director, Web Development > > Capstrat > > 919/882.1966 v > > 919/834.7959 f > > 1201 Edwards Mill Road, Suite 102 > > Raleigh, NC 27607 > > www.capstrat.com > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > > -- > Brian Duchek > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > c: 847.809.2140 > w: www.inquiline.com > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table within a div tag and IE
A useful cludge is to nest the table in a div and give the div a width.
You should really remove all width, cellpadding, cellspacing from the
table into a style.
Cheers
jon
- Original Message -
From: Nancy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:43:15 -0400
Subject: [WSG] Table within a div tag and IE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear WSG,
I'm sure this has been talked about before:
I'm about to make live a master calendar for our organization. I've
set it up so there are data tables within a div tag. The tables are
set at a width of 75% and I did not put anything for a width with the
"td" tags.
The page looks great in IE, if I give the table a width of 75%. If I
give the table a width of 100%, the right side goes off the page. IE
doesn't seem to page attention to the right margin within the div tag.
Within Netscape or Firefox, 75% width seems to mean 75% of the div
tag, so the table appears truncated. These do better if I give the
table a width of 100%.
Changing the right hand margin of the div tag doesn't seem to help.
Unfortunately, this page is not live so I cannot give you a link.
Details below:
Date
Start Time
End Time
Description
Location
Contact
The remaining rows access data from a SQL Server database.
'bodytext4a' is for formatting text. Dreamweaver automatically adds
it to the
I did not use the 'th' tags
The CSS Style Sheet came from an online template that I have modified
over time.
The table is located within a div tag entitled "middle"
Here is the CSS:
#middle {
margin: 10px 160px 20px 165px;
padding: 20px;
border: 0px none #80;
background: #ff;
}
There is also a left id to this as follows:
#left {
position: absolute;
top: 185px;
left: 10px;
margin: 5px;
padding: 5px;
border: thin solid #00;
width: 150px;
voice-family: "\"}\"";
voice-family:inherit;
background: #CC;
}
html>body #left {
width: 150px;
margin: 5px;
padding: 5px;
border: thin solid #00;
}
Thanks,
Nancy
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Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and "cleaned".
My recommendation would be to create an XML schema and then use a product like infopath to export the xml (xhtml) to your CMS. jonothan On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:14:59 +1000, Nick Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm currently re-reviewing means to allow my client (a non-profit org) > to add formatted articles to a content management system. > > I've spent a good while reviewing the alternatives from in-browser > wysiwyg's/ javascript driven tag generator/html editors to something > external like Mozilla Composer. > > What I need is a means to edit e.g. an article that will ultimately end > up within a specific . The requirements were to at least have > options for different platforms, e.g. fckeditor runs in gecko browsers > as well as IE. Also, that it would, of course, produce decent HTML to > be used in a CSS/XHTML website. > > A solution that I've found may be the simplest is to work with the > organisation's current workflow is simply to have them save Word docs > as HTML, add that and then "clean" it up server side where needed. > > My questions are: > > Have any of you used this method? > If so to what success with regards to having almost decent HTML? > Any other warnings/tips/ideas? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
