Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hello Chris;
At 04:28 AM 12/3/2003 +1100, you wrote:
I have
noticed that the scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS
material&
For example:
Body
{
background-color: #EE;
scrollbar-base-color: #808080;
scrollbar-arrow-color: #808080;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #008000;
scrollbar-face-color: #808080;
scrollbar-highlight-color: #FF;
scrollbar-shadow-color: #FF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color: #808080;
}
That is claimed to be correct CSS, and it
works in Internet Explorer but when you use the W3C CSS Validator,
it comes up saying that the scrollbar-base-color etc& are not
functions. I don t know why its not real CSS because it seems to work, I
am curious if it works in other browsers other that IE, I cannot test
that s why I am posting this here
It is only valid in Internet Explorer and is a proprietary use of CSS and
afaik never even be considered to be included into css, as it's not
really about how the page itself displays, but rather dabbling with the
values of the user defined browser settings.
I would not use them, as the code, as you know already can't validate,
and secondly it's for IE only.
HTH
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
RE: [WSG] Browser Test
Chris; XHTML is confusing but; At 11:47 PM 12/4/2003 +1100, you wrote: I use Transitional because Strict wont allow me to even add my own HTML code to fix something. Ie. say I have some text, and its not worth putting in CSS... So I have: That is an error in Strict... Can I use Style="" In strict? In your css, as a child of the div where you place the paragraph, make a class (or many depending) of the p with certain values you want and in the XHTML: That will validate in strict. I cant even set the language of a "Script" Eg:
[WSG] Flash Problem & Mac check?
Hello; Can anyone tell me why this page (below) in Mozilla/PC is displaying as intended (lest the border to the left of the drop down menu), with the Flash on the right hand side. It is *not* displaying the Flash at all in IE6/PC, just tries to load it forever. I have the exact same code in my own home page and it displays perfectly. I have tried a lot of things to make this one work but I am at the end of my rope here. I can get it to show up, with all the embed statements that Flash would like and with the download link to Flash/Shockwave, but can then not validate the code. As it stands now, the page is valid XHTML Transitional / CSS (and I can't make it Strict as it has to have border attribute on the link pictures to be looking as intended in NN4.x) Any thought on or off list would be greatly appreciated. http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign/ Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Flash Problem & Mac check?
At 11:38 AM 1/28/2004 +1100, you wrote: Your Code: DOH! Thanks Solution: Note that the OBJECT>DATA attribute: "flash/mma.swf" and the PARAM>VALUE attribute "mma.swf" are different. Make them the same (which ever one happens to be the correct path) and it should work. Also note that this version of embedding Flash won't stream in IE, which is bad if the movie is large (not in your case though). Thanks for that too, I had problems with that once before, I am a newbie at flash and most clients wants very little of it, and I will probably have more questions about how to make it compliant in the future. Anyone with a recent Mac out there that can take a look at it, I have the verdict from a iMac OS8.6 IE 5.1, am wondering how badly OSX/Safari is mangling it ;o) Again the url is: http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign/index.html Thanks again Bradley :o) Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Is there *any* solution for this form?
Hello; The week has been long and long hours in codeland There has to be a solution for this one, however I can't think of it at all at the moment; http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign/ at the bottom the form to search the site... Any suggestions/fixes are welcome TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
Hello;
Well, thanks to the Dane on this list (Anders Ebdrup) one of my major
problems are fixed, now I have a smaller one (I think).
On this page:
http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign
I have some problems, it looks wonderful in Moz/NN6+/IE with WinXP/98 Home
on PC, which by the looks of the server logs are around 92% of the
population visiting this site, but in Netscape 7 / XP Pro there is some
things that are breaking apart (I can only say what the client told me, as
I don't have XP Pro to test out on) The middle rollover has a white line
under it, and the bottom right graphic (US News image) has a black line
under it, and the around the search box there are some strange 2-3 pixel
wide blue before the input box.
Anyone having any clue to why this happen, and even better how to deal with it?
On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where
there is some weird things going on.
If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate
them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page
through NS 7.1/XP Pro
TIA & Regards
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
Ryan; Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if your reasoning is good enough ;o) However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time, and as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K modem under perfect conditions (not that it ever is but...) and that is what he wanted +2 seconds (he said under 10) with the graphics broken up, I am close to that ten second mark, but if there is something I do not know about image maps, please enlighten me. (I did the one located at http://www.mainemaritime.edu 3 years ago when wait was the norm so it was no concern) Regards ~Veine At 07:25 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that get sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just biased against them :) --Ryan http://www.theward.net Veine K Vikberg wrote: Hello; http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where there is some weird things going on. If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page through NS 7.1/XP Pro TIA & Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
RE: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
Chris; At 11:49 AM 2/3/2004 +1100, you wrote: When I view the new website it looks great! Thanks, been in the works for a while, VERY demanding customer of mine.. One thing I did notice was, down the bottom, near the SEARCH field, there is a LEFT border next to the text input... Left border ... ack, must be an inheritance, but from where? I am running IE6 with WinXP Pro. You have NN7.1 installed too? Maybe I just see it because of a browser anomaly or something... But never-the-less at least 1 person can see it... Enough for me, thanks so much for pointing it out. Keep em coming Regards ~Veine On this page: http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
ROFLMAO!
Veine,
I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image
maps is primarily accessibility.
Have a look at this:
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign
Brad;
That is a great resource, I don't have any descriptions at all yet, for the
sake of the concept/design first, all the search engine works comes in
stage two, as well as Section 508 (I probably have to attach description
tags to a few). This site is primarily for the 20/20 (or so) individuals,
but in a few months(years) they will have to adhere to the Section 508/ADA
act, so my thinking is to bring them there from the beginning.
However, that is ONE strong argument against image maps indeed.
I will put that one in my bookmarks for sure, thanks for a great resource
Brad :o)))
Regards
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
At 10:55 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: Where to begin... I was going to quote Zeldman's orange book, being the little Zeldmanite I am, but I'll go freestyle in the hopes that I get his concepts well enough by this point in time! ICK ;) Image maps have (for the most part) fallen out of grace. I used to use them at one time (actually, right up until I cracked my ass down on all this standards hoopla and learned more techniques), but have since deviated away from tables all together for the most part and use div layouts. Anyhows, back in my table days I got pretty good with chopping them up just right and piecing them back together again. To make a short story shorter, I found that dicing up the image map into separate chunks using GIF compression made for a quicker load time than using one solid bar. It also carried the benefit of not having to rework an entire site when I wanted to add one new link to a feature on the navigational area. In this case there is no rework until the redesign, client wants to keep it the same way for 2-4 years and then change again, the long term goal is to keep the site fresh. However I will today take the time to redo the bar and cut it up to see what can be done there in the question about loadtime If you're talking HTML filesize, going to chunked linked images will usually save a few bytes as well. Can not be much and probably something that I will not even look at It's also a pain to generate new coordinates each time you need to change the map areas. True, but a little free-ware program I have those image maps take less then a min a piece to rewrite. If you're a sucker for accessibility (like I am) image maps also do not permit navigation to screen readers. I thought they did, IF you provide a description with the link, no? Summary: nixing image maps will save you trouble, time, and redesign strife somewhere along the road, ane probably lead to smaller load times as well. Will try it today. --Ryan http://www.theward.net PS - things to keep in mind: I code by hand, despise complex table layouts, and live life and web design by the "Keep It Simple Stupid" motto. Is there anything BUT coding all by hand? ;o) I don't know about it in any case :op Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] CSS problem
Hello;
Can someone take a look at this page:
http://vikberg.net/IAMU
and suggest how I best separate the blue links from the white content
area so it doesn't 'hog' the line?
TIA
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
RE: [WSG] CSS problem
Will;
Thanks for the suggestion, I did it and it seems to add a little to
separate in IE6 WinXP Home at least, however, in NS (Moz RC1) it does
not,... I am running out of ideas here.
As for the suggestion, note taken and should probably not be h4's but I was
thinking search engine work ahead of time so to speak, as it seems to be
indexing way more h4's then lists, I will probably change this.
Any other suggestion to see if I can get it to separate?
At 01:23 PM 4/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
To answer your question directly, add a right margin to your h4 tags in your
style sheet:
H4 {margin-right: 10px;}
To answer your question with a suggestion, don't use h4's for your nav
links. Rather, use an unordered list to gain better control over their
display and establish better semantics in your markup:
link 1
link2
For a great example, read A List Apart's "Taming Lists" at
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/
Will Chatham
oOo
www.willchatham.com
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> Can someone take a look at this page:
> http://vikberg.net/IAMU
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] CSS problem
Thank you, appreciated :o) However, no solution to my original problem, I think the box not expanding is just an oversight on my part not to use clearing div's :o) *Note to self, check out Mac platform too! :o) ~Veine At 02:01 PM 4/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: Veine, Just wanted to let u know that in Mac OSX/IE 5.2 the body copy overflows the bottom blue footer bar... screenshot attached (I know it's small but I didn't want to hog everyone's email). later, Z Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] CSS problem
Hello Leo; I had it this way before, and I have changed it back to that now, however, if I do it this way, the cut-off in MacOS / IE 5 is even bigger (as Zulema's screen shot in earlier reply shows) And I can't for the life of me figure out why there is such a huge difference between the Mac and PC versions of IE, maybe M$ just wants us designers to get grey hair ahead of our time. Any suggestions to fix this problem for Mac is greatly appreciated. TIA ~Veine At 10:04 PM 4/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: Veine Your left col div is containing your center div you should close the the left div before you open the center div ... e.g leftcol-content center-content and not leftcol-content center-content > Can someone take a look at this page: > http://vikberg.net/IAMU Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
