[WSG] [Off-topic] AngularJS
Has anyone done much with AngularJS[1]? I'm currently evaluating it as a potential successor to a huge bespoke framework I wrote. The syntax feels a little convoluted at times, but my god does it absolutely blaze through DOM updates! [1]: http://www.angularjs.org/ -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts. James On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and if those settings say don't check again for a month then, generally, it won't. If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry header. With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be done in the directory's .htaccess file: ExpiresByType text/html access plus 0 seconds This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/** 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies. James On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes a random query string does not work. Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time. Eg. style-scm-revision-number.css Manu On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts. James On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and if those settings say don't check again for a month then, generally, it won't. If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry header. With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be done in the directory's .htaccess file: ExpiresByType text/html access plus 0 seconds This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/** 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you
Hi all,
I just got a little burned by Chrome's new date popup for HTML date-type
inputs!
*Why?*
- Because when I wrote the original code, I hadn't read up on the new
properties being added to HTML5 input types
- Because I was using a js-based datepicker plugin to implement the same
functionality and wasn't feature-detecting native date handling (except for
mobile devices)
- Because my JS expects a particular date format, and could only handle
Australian dd/mm/ or ISO8601-compliant date strings. This wasn't an
issue before, because my JS datepicker controlled the format.
*How do I avoid making the same mistake?*
HTML5 implements a new property for input types that deal with date or time
values:
element.valueAsDate
This property is designed to solve your locale woes, and it is also an easy
way to feature-detect a browser's native support for the date input type. I
haven't gone through all current browsers yet, so if you do use this
method, make sure to check that none of your browsers support the property
without implementing a date picker.
.valueAsDate, as you might have guessed, returns the input's value as
a Dateobject. Here's a super-simple feature detect:
if ( !myElement.valueAsDate ) {
// Implement my JavaScript datepicker
}
*The result*
Better usability! (and more robust date handling).
*For your convenience*
I have created a jsFiddle you can run on any browser to test the feature
detection: http://jsfiddle.net/h9jYB/5/
- Opera 12: *Pass *(valueAsDate handling, datepicker present)
- Chrome 20: *Pass *(valueAsDate handling, datepicker present)
- Firefox 12: *Pass *(no valueAsDate handling, no datepicker)
- IE8, IE9: *Pass *(no valueAsDate handling, no datepicker)
- James
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Re: [WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you
The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the
date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or subtract
one day at a time. So my working code also treats Safari as
datepicker-not-implemented.
For me, as I make use of the valueAsDate property when it's available, it
made more sense to check its existence directly.
Also, Chrome's date picker is pretty annoying when you're trying to enter
DOBs. As far as I can see there's no quick way to jump forward/backward by
decades at a time.
On 2 July 2012 11:11, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote:
On 02/07/2012 01:55, James Ducker wrote:
element.valueAsDate
This property is designed to solve your locale woes, and it is also an
easy way to feature-detect a browser's native support for the date input
type. I haven't gone through all current browsers yet, so if you do use
this method, make sure to check that none of your browsers support the
property without implementing a date picker.
.valueAsDate, as you might have guessed, returns the input's value as a
Date object. Here's a super-simple feature detect:
if ( !myElement.valueAsDate ) {
// Implement my JavaScript datepicker
}
You can also simply test if the type of your input is reported as
date. Older browsers that don't implement the new HTML5 types simply fall
back to changing them - in the DOM itself - to type=text
if (!myElement.type === text) {
// fallback
}
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Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
Would you mind recapping the differences and providing some links for me if you have some available. Bias noted... =) Thanks On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 20:40, Gian Wild fin...@gianwild.com.au wrote: Hi There are some major differences between ReadSpeaker and BrowseAloud - such as the ability to read secure pages, PDFs etc. I should let you know that I am a BrowseAloud reseller, but that is because I believe in the product. Implementing a product like that is just one way to improve the accessibility of a site. I find clients who are really committed to accessibility spend the resources on ensuring their site is accessible and then provide BrowseAloud to their audience as an addition to that. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Cheers, Gian On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:25 AM, James O'Neill freexe...@gmail.comwrote: They just contacted and I have not yet talked with them. I am doing some research first. Thanks for the link. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:55, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.ukwrote: On 21/02/2012 19:39, Steve Green wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. Very strangely, just today there's been a thread about ReadSpeaker over on W3C WAI IG list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/** Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/**0143.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/0143.html Coincidence? Or have RS launched some kind of marketing campaign? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __**__**__ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/**redux/http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __**__**__ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __**__**__ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Gian Wild Accessibility Specialist web. www.gianwild.com.au email. fin...@gianwild.com.au mobile. 042 442 6262 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Read Speaker?
Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker http://www.readspeaker.com If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too. Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
*My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. * Interesting thought. Examples? Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 13:39, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.ukwrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. There is very little support for them amongst accessibility professionals. ** ** My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. ** ** Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd ** ** *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 18:34 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Read Speaker? ** ** Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker ** ** http://www.readspeaker.com ** ** If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too.** ** ** ** ** ** Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
That makes sense! Thanks for the input. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:23, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.ukwrote: It really depends where you are starting from. If the website is well designed (from an accessibility perspective), you don’t need ReadSpeaker at all. If the website is not well designed, ReadSpeaker may or may not be a solution to the accessibility barriers for some people – you just don’t know. ** ** Bolting on a tool like that does not give you any insight into how accessible or inaccessible the website is, either before or after. Instead I would recommend some form of testing in order to understand what the current accessibility barriers are, followed by a prioritised schedule of remedial work to get to the level you want to achieve. OK, I run a testing company so I am bound to say that, but that would also be the view of most accessibility professionals. ** ** Given that ReadSpeaker requires an annual payment that used to be thousands of pounds (what is it now?), that money could fund a continuous program of remedial work that would benefit all user groups rather than the fairly narrow range of user groups that benefit from ReadSpeaker. ** ** Steve Green ** ** *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 19:58 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Read Speaker? ** ** *My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. * Interesting thought. Examples? ** ** ** ** Jim ** ** On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 13:39, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. There is very little support for them amongst accessibility professionals. My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 18:34 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Read Speaker? Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker http://www.readspeaker.com If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too.** ** Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ** ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
They just contacted and I have not yet talked with them. I am doing some research first. Thanks for the link. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:55, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.ukwrote: On 21/02/2012 19:39, Steve Green wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. Very strangely, just today there's been a thread about ReadSpeaker over on W3C WAI IG list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/** Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/**0143.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/0143.html Coincidence? Or have RS launched some kind of marketing campaign? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __**__**__ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/**redux/http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __**__**__ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __**__**__ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)
12 months of leave! I need to switch to the public sector... 2011/2/21 Sam Lawry s...@vla.vic.gov.au Thank you for your email. I am on leave from Victoria Legal Aid until March 2012. If you need help, please try: *Online Services (for publishing content or other online queries) – onlineservi...@vla.vic.gov.au *Community Legal Education (for publications, legal information and CLE sessions and projects) – c...@vla.vic.gov.au or call 03 9269 0223. Regards, Sam This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, and may contain legally privileged information. They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and must not be copied, forwarded or disclosed to anyone without the sender's consent. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise via reply e-mail to the sender. Please destroy the original transmission and its contents. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes
Hi Steve, That's an interesting way to call the lightbox and it works with keyboard controls for me in IE8, FF3.0, FF3.6 border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; width: 100%; Yes, it was tested in all browsers and I just tested it again in Firefox on Windows and Mac - it works ok for me. What is not working for you?I don't understand your point about the placement of the Close button, but I agree that the focus indication should be clearer - we asked for that but it didn't get implemented.Steve - FROM: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] ON BEHALF OF tee SENT: 21 January 2011 04:21 TO: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org SUBJECT: Re: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Steve Green wrote: Yes, here's one we worked on - http://htmltools.moneymadeclear.org.uk/mortgage-calculator/index.aspx [1] Have you tested it on Firefox? It doesn't seem to allow keyboard support for the modal window. Also, a usability glitch IMHO, the close button should be placed in the last keyboard control, reason is that, if the content in the modal window is intended for reading and there are links within it that depends on keyboard control, you won't want users to close the window before they even have a chance to tab through the content. Having the close button placed in the last keyboard control prevents users to close it - once you hit the Get Started (if you miss the enter key (the focus is not as obvious despite the outlined) when you are at the button) it doesn't allow you to go through the tab again to close the window. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** Links: -- [1] http://htmltools.moneymadeclear.org.uk/mortgage-calculator/index.aspx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes
Hi WSG'ers, Does anybody have any experience with creating accessible modal windows, aka lightboxes? While I have seen some great lightbox experiments that do allow keyboard control, I haven't been able to find any that will trigger a screen reader to actually read the content within. My project is looking to use lightboxes for field-level help which can contain up to a few paragraphs of textual content, no unique images will appear within the modal window. Once the modal window is open, the only user controls will be to close the window by either selecting the 'close' option, or clicking outside of the content. Thanks! - Jimmy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Imho, we should take care of any layout issue, but not try to get fancy effects via extra markup, images, filters, and other hacks. In short, IE6 should get layout fixes and miss on properties like border-radius, opacity, etc. So no need for a specific styles sheet imo. The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off of IE6. Secondly, you want to keep their user experience sane. IE6's rendering engine was not designed with many of today's more modern layouts and techniques in mind, and the average IE6 user will have an average XP box that will chug like hell on large or JS-or-DOM-complicated pages. - James -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
How do people here feel about frames? Sometimes (not often) you might need an iframe, hidden or otherwise, to get around certain technical limitations, but there's no good reason to use framesets for layout, in my opinion. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Here are some stats I collected from a collection of large, high-traffic Australian sports/news websites I am involved with: IE8: 45% IE7: 30% IE6: 10% Firefox 3.x: 9% Everything else: 6% This is off the top of my head, but IE6 definitely accounts for 10-11% (and is higher than FF3). These stats are likely to be skewed toward people who browse the Internet from work, hence the low Firefox usage. -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] help
Hi Sorry, Marvin, but you raised this topic on the WSG list a few weeks back and, if memory serves me correctly, it was deemed off-topic. While it's obviously a very annoying situation to be in, it really has nothing to do with the WSG. Please stick to the mailing list guidelines when posting. If there are people on the list who have helped you in the past and you think can help you again, try emailing them directly. Remember, your messages go to over 7000 subscribers. If anyone wants to try and help Marvin, please do so off-list to avoid populating the list with spurious remarks and replies. Doing so will help improve the signal/noise ratio of the WSG mailing list. Many thanks James (admin) On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:32 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. well lost all my project a couple of months ago. dodgy system restore. corrupted hard disk. so with my toshiba satellite a300 you can set it back to default factory settings. thus wiping the drive. so lost all my projects, data, e-mails, links, contacts, etc. and my music. but been able to get most of the music back from a friend. now got a external 1 tb external drive. tried a few recovery programs. but either not accessible. did find one called recover my files, but to recover, you had to pay for the version. problem, i do not have a credit card or pay pal account. so, any one used recovery software that works with a screen reader, and is free. marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] lost my web projects
Hi As this is a web design dev list please keep the discussions on-topic. If anyone wants to help Marvin please contact him directly. Thanks James (core admin bod) On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Uday uday.tew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marvin, You can try Easy Recovery Pro. if your hard drive is detecting properly. I tried it. it can even recover lost partitions. make sure when you recover, select folder wise recovery. Link: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/file-recovery-software/ Cheers!! *Uday Teware* *Web Design | Web Dev. | SEO | WEB 2.0 Apps. | Redesign | +91 9763953743* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Hi Give them all the background information that people have listed here. WCAG, usability info etc. If they still decide they want it, do as the client instructs. Make sure you code in a simple off switch configuration option into the site and when they want to change it, turn it off while counting to 10 backwards. Sometimes clients are like that episode of the Simpsons when Bart repeatedly burns his hand on the stove. You could also try doing an A/B test and provide some results to them for sound / no sound -- traffic, clicks, time on site etc. see: http://www.usertesting.com/. Cheers James On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Cunningham andr...@vicnet.net.auwrote: HI On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue way back when There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take into account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in the target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility reasons to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into small icons can be difficult if not impossible. This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based on orality rather than literacy. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. for music I'd agree, for other purposes http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eandrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au http://www.vicnet.net.au http://www.slv.vic.gov.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I work for a small county government and we are working with a developer to setup a Drupal website. I am of the opinion that the editor can make or break the utilization of the website by our mostly not very savvy employees. If it is too hard or creates work then it will not be used or people will resist working with it. I am not at all happy with the FCK editor. I am starting to look at Time MCE and Standard. My preferences are standards compliance and semantically correct code, accessible interface (would be nice), the ability for users to copy and paste over their content and for the editor to strip the tags/formatting that are not acceptable and keep the ones that are. I need the ability to add and remove formatting options as well as rename the labels for the formatting options, especially the headers (via the administrative interface is preferable). What option do you have that might fall into this category and is there an online demo? Thanks all for helping me to keep my hair, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Difference between applied CSS and Computed CSS
Hi
One problem might be that you have the word paris before your doctype,
which shows up as the page is rendering:
paris
!DOCTYPE html P
Which could affect the CSS somewhat (at a guess). Try removing everything,
including white space and line breaks before the doctype.
I see the font size difference between the two different engines.
Gecko - Firefox 3.5.8
Webkit - Chrome (5.0.307.9 beta) / Arora (0.10.1)
Both Chrome and Arora show a larger font size than Firefox in the text
content under the Massage-modelage*
Dorsal/dev/serenitude/58-massage-modelage*-dorsal/flypage-ask-dynprice-duo.tpl.html
heading.
Additionally, it's fine to serve your CSS from any file provided it's valid
CSS of course and it sends the correct header to the browser. e.g in PHP
?php
header('Content-Type: text/css');
//stuff
?
- which you are doing judging by the file headers. The file extension
doesn't matter, it's just text.
Cheers
James
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote:
Hi Rateb BEN MOUSSA
The reason for this can probably be found in one of your css files:
/dev/serenitude/templates/serenitude/css/css-5b04215701ad544b0144a40c4c2cdd38.php
In this css file you have a comment, a blank line and then an @charset:
/*** principale.css ***/
@charset utf-8;
The @charset MUST appear in the first line of a CSS file. As the canonical
document on @charsets states:
Only one @charset rule may appear in an external style sheet and it must
appear at the very start of the document. It must not be preceded by any
characters, not even comments.
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset
From personal experience, I can tell you that while all other browsers may
be forgiving, Safari will ignore an entire style sheet if the @charset does
not appear at the very start of the file.
Easy to fix, profound difference (at least in Safari) :)
HTH
Russ
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Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
Hi I guess it's understand the consequences and use at your own risk. I doubt a vendor will change the spelling and if they do, I'm pretty sure they'd maintain BC by allowing both to work. Using the example of *-radius, the vendor differences are more to do with what the values selected will render as rather than the naming, for instance webkit allows elliptical curves while moz only allows regular curves: http://www.css3.info/border-radius-apple-vs-mozilla/ Apparently, webkit more closely resembles the CSS3 spec. Mozilla may change their interpretation leading to possibly unexpected results (which you can then fix). Opera is apparently going to be supporting 'border-radius' in an upcoming Presto release. The end-goal is for all the major browsers to switch to border-radius and then ignore their vendor specifc version, to avoid conflicts. There are plenty of options to create curve-edged boxes but the CSS method is the easiest programatically to implement, followed by creating PNG quadrants on the fly with Imagick or similar and positioning them using CSS. Opera allows SVG backgrounds, so they can be created on-the-fly as XML. Plenty of designers cap a box top and bottom with two curved slices but that's a pain to implement in flexible layouts. To answer a question further back, yes border-radius should be last in the list after the vendor extensions. Cheers James They aren't guaranteed future-compatible. Vendor: We propose this feature and have implemented this as -vendor-foo Other Vendor: Well, it has these problems, what if ... Vendor: OK. We've changed the way it works. All the slightly older clients supporting the original implementation promptly break. How would this be implemented anyway? Anything that looks like a vendor prefix works? -moz-bowder-wadius: Congratulations! It is valid! But why doesn't it work? Or does someone try to maintain a list of all the different extensions? The CSS 2.1 specification lists 12 known vendors who use the vendor prefix. Who is going to maintain a central list of all proprietary extensions and the values they accept? How would they be versioned? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
Hi
You can safely ignore any -prefix validation errors (-moz, -webkit, -opera)
- they are never going to validate on the W3C validator. The point of the
vendor specific rules is to do stuff the W3C haven't standardised yet.
The validator should probably ignore them as well. If you really must have a
valid stylesheet then you can stick vendor specific stuff in a vendor.css
and not validate it (because it won't).
#blob {
border-radius : 5px;
-webkit-border-radius : 5px;/* safari, chrome, arora etc */
-moz-border-radius : 5px;/* firefox and pals*/
-khtml-border-radius : 5px;/* konquerer */
}
Noting that webkit and moz have different names for the rules, watch out for
that.
Theoretically, when a browser supports border-radius, it should switch from
its vendor specific rule to the standard rule.
Cheers
James
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz
thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote:
-moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3)
--
Regards,
Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com
*From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Daniel Anderson
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:12 PM
*To:* wsg
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS Validation Error
When I am validating a site that I am working on using the W3C Validator I
get errors with *-moz-border-radius-bottomleft*.
Is this because it is CSS3?
Error Reads:
Property -moz-border-radius-bottomleft doesn't exist : 5px 5px
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: [WSG] Looking for Accessible and Standards based Drupal Main Navigation Module
Hey Thierry, Actually, your solution and the Improved Suckerfish thingy were the first two that came to mind. =) Any other options for Drupal out there? Thanks again everyone. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Looking for Accessible and Standards based Drupal Main Navigation Module
Greetings all, We are working with an external developer who does speak Accessibility and Usability a bit, but not enough for me. I am looking for accessible and standards based Drupal main navigation module thingy with the specific requirement of being navigable via tabbing, including submenus. If you know of any modules, articles or specific implementations on how to do this, that would be great. Thanks all, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Major memory leaking in IE
Hi Try looking at Drip, an IE memory leak detector: http://www.outofhanwell.com/ieleak/index.php?title=Main_Page (first result in Google) https://ieleak.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ieleak/trunk/drip/docs/index.html Thanks James On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Mads Erik Forberg m...@hardware.no wrote: Yeah, me to.. But to answer your other question, it runs slower over time. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] skip links
I'm a bit late but here are some good 'skip link' links: http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html http://www.webaim.org/techniques/skipnav/ http://juicystudio.com/article/skip-links.php *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[Spam] :Re: [WSG] Converting CSS / Design into Pre-Set HTML widget code
What's a widget in this context?
2009/10/12 Kristine Cummins des...@kristinecummins.com
I am unsuccessfully able to convert my CSS/design into *pre-set HTML
widget code* (see widget code below).
Current List design (see Events on right):
http://www.elizabethspencerwines.com/development/v9/index.shtml
div id=sidebar
ul
li id=events-calendar class=widget EC_Widget_display
h2 class=widgettitleEvents Calendar/h2
ul
li id=no-events-in-liststrongtext goes here/strong/li
/ul
/li
/ul
/div!-- end sidebar --
=
My original CSS to make my un-widgetized design work:
.iconlist {
background-color: inherit;
color: #000;
font: normal .7em/1.2em Trebuchet MS, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;
list-style: none;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
li.bullet {
background: url(images/bullet.gif) no-repeat 0 8%;
padding: 3px 0 3px 20px;
margin: .7em 0;
}
.smtxt {
background-color: transparent;
color: #999;
font: 11px/13px Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;
text-align: center;
}
A MILLION THANKS!
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Re: [WSG] Is page-break-before broken in Webkit?
Hi there, As a test, try using that style on an element that isn't floated or inside a floated element. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[Spam] :Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue
Hi,
Generated source:
DIV id=header style=FILTER:
progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='
http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/keynorthcontractors/images/logo.png',sizingMethod='crop');
BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; POSITION: static; *HEIGHT: 816px*
It looks like a JS bug. There's two easy things you could try.
1. Just put overflow: hidden; on the #pics div.
2. Add a line to your script:
$('#header').height(200);
Try it before your $('#pics').cycle() statement, and if that fails, try it
after.
At a guess, jQuery for whatever reason isn't aware that the height of the
element has changed (during DOM loading it would be 816px high). I only
briefly looked at jQuery's source, but it looks as if it sets a height on
any element that a DX filter gets applied to (in order to trigger hasLayout,
I presume). Setting the height from jQuery should solve the problem, though
I still recommend sticking overflow:hidden on the #pics div.
Let me know how it goes.
- James
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Re: [WSG] styling a select box
You could just use a regular select, and then use javascript to find it, strip it out, and replace it with your own uber-select. Here's something along those lines: http://ryanfait.com/resources/custom-checkboxes-and-radio-buttons/ - James 2009/10/8 Сергей Кириченко tt.s...@gmail.com abandon all hopes, brother )) 2009/10/8 Bas V basby...@hotmail.com Regularly I run into problems with styling the select box... I like to change the look of the select box button and put the button (and the option text) on the left-hand side and have it showing exactly the same in all modern browsers but I have not much luck with that... Applying more advanced css to the select box that works with all modern browsers in the same way appears to be impossible. Not much pretty styling can be done with the select box's button without the use of often long and complicated scripts or alternatively to replace the box with Flash.. Are there any examples of simple to apply css for customizing the select box button? Is it really that hard or am I overlooking something and am I maybe looking in the wrong places? I can use some help with this.. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- С уважением Кириченко Сергей верстальщик тел. +7 (904) 333-46-25 starhack.ru *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Local W3C CSS Validator for Windows
Yeah I have it running on Windows. The easiest way is to install a server that can autodeploy war files, like Tomcat. - James 2009/10/8 David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:48, Daniel Anderson wrote: Can anyone help me with a good W3C CSS Validator that will run on Windows? The W3C only provide one CSS validator. It is written in Java though, so it should run on Windows. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
Really, really unfortunately, the only way is through CSS 3's *counter.**Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This is one of the things that really makes me cranky. =(* * * On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:02, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.comwrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] internet explorer 8 problems using a screen reader
Your table is missing its opening tag, table, which is *probably* causing your problems. There are also some other markup errors. Please, always validate[1] your web pages before posting questions. - James [1]: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com/charset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0 -- James Ducker Web Developer http://studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web hosting
A free host that supports multi-tiered .NET applications... Best of luck! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] legal list numbering
This straight OL does not work from a pure XHTML 1.0 Strict perspective unless your legal documents conform to the browsers' default list numbering scheme. The *'type'* attribute is not valid in XHTML 1.0 which really annoys me to no end, since I work for a county government. The numbering in a legal document is an integral part of the pages' content and should not be left to the determination of the CSS, because once you separate the CSS from the XHTML the list's numbering is not valid and much of the use and meaning for the document is lost. I am not sure, but I expect that HTML5 has a similar issue. Correct me if I am wrong. I hope I am. Jim On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:16, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example: ol liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah ol liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah ol liBlah blah/li liBlah blah/li liBlah blah/li /ol /li /ol /li /ol Thanks, Jason *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Multiple IE's for browser testing
Hi Use virtualbox (.org) and run up a virtual machine that only has IE7 on it. You can do this by installing XP into the virtual machine and updating it to IE7. Remember to turn off Windows Update so it doesn't upgrade to IE8 when you are not looking. Virtualisation is the only real way to get an IE that matches what site visitors are using, meaning less fubar when debugging an issue. (I don't see the general public browsing with a MultipleIE browser). Note you will need a Windows license for each virtualised Windows machine you use. HTH James On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:04:13 am Kristine Cummins wrote: I've recently downloaded IE8 and now my standalone IE7 refuses to work. Anyone else have this issue and have a better way to get IE to cooperate for Webmasters??? I downloaded the standalone at http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Thanks for your time, Kristine *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website Development Training Programs In Wellington
On 22 Aug 2009, at 06:00, Gabriel Brewdant wrote: P.S. What programming languages do you guys typically use for standards compliant web development? (ruby, php, asp.net, python, perl;) Which ones should I look for in a good school? It doesn't really matter *what* you use, it's independent of the HTML you're going to produce. With that, ASP.NET will generate some amount of it and older versions had problems with generating standards compliant code. I believe but cannot confirm that is fixed now. You can get large amounts of heinously expensive training from Microsoft (and possibly work towards an MCSE or something). Personally, I favour perl (thanks to the large collection of excellent libraries known as CPAN), but the learning curve can initially be steep and you may want to look into training from someone like Paul Fenwick ( http://perltraining.com.au/ ) or Damian Conway, that being the case. I realise it's a short hop over the water to Australia, but I can highly recommend them both. For the others, I'm not sure there is high quality training anywhere. You might consider Zend certification for PHP but it's largely a formality (and something you get for the accolade rather than to improve yourself) and I wouldn't choose to hire anyone on their having it. I'm interested in formally educating myself in the area of web development and am wondering if anyone has any information about the different programs available in Wellington and their reputation? I want to know where I can get the best education about how to build standards compliant data driven (web 2.0 type) sites. I'm generally quite critical of university education about development, whether frontend or backend. Certainly over here in England, it appears that students are given minimal course materials and told to get on with it (and they inevitably wind up learning badly on the internet). I'm not convinced a university is really going to teach you up-to-date standards compliant practices (in fact, having CSS on the syllabus at all seems fairly unusual). That said, look very carefully at the courses you're planning to do and possibly collar an existing student and see what they have to say. Just make sure you aren't going to be developing for IE6 only and ignoring real browsers. --James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website Development Training Programs In Wellington
I teach at SIT in Ultimo, which uses the same competency units for HTML in the CertIV. I teach XHTML 1.0 and CSS 2, though I throw in a bit of CSS 3 here and there. What gets taught varies from one teacher to the next. I work in industry, so I tend to hear about new techniques and processes and what have you faster than the other teachers. When I started I was given the notes from the previous teacher, and spent quite a bit of time restructuring them to be more applicable to current-day practices. I spend a good deal of time covering concepts like semantic markup, as well as usability and accessibility, and how they are related, etc. As Linda said, the national curriculum is vague. I believe the latest version of the competency units pretty much says ask your teacher what this unit entails. So it all depends on who your teachers are. With that, ASP.NET http://asp.net/ will generate some amount of it and older versions had problems with generating standards compliant code. I believe but cannot confirm that is fixed now. You can get large amounts of heinously expensive training from Microsoft (and possibly work towards an MCSE or something). You've always been able to generate standards-compliant code under .NET, but it takes some skill (you'll invariably write custom controls at some point) and is well beyond what gets taught in Tafe diplomas. I would recommend PHP, simply because it's easy to set up, ubiquitous and easy to learn. Python is good too, but harder to find (shared) hosts to support it. - James 2009/8/23 Linda Mitchell lindamitch...@iinet.net.au If the Diploma course being considered is ICA50605 and it is taught well then you should be taught current standards compliant code. I teach at Southbank Institute of Technology in Brisbane and one of the reasons I belong to WSG is so that I can remain current on industry practices and I can teach well structured xhtml/html and css that validates to W3C. We have a number of units as a part of the Diploma/CertIV that cover both xhtml css including standards and accessibility in particular: ICAB4135B Create a simple mark-up language document to specification ICAB4171B Develop cascading style sheets ICAT4183B Confirm accessibility of website for people with special needs ICAI4189B Ensure website content meets technical protocols and standards ICAT4184B Ensure site usability for full range of users Having said that not everwhere teaches the same and the national curriculum allows for different resources to be used so yes ask the students and/or the lecturers. If they can't say that they do teach these types of units then maybe keep looking. Just ask the right questions. Linda -- *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James Laver *Sent:* Saturday, 22 August 2009 7:28 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Website Development Training Programs In Wellington On 22 Aug 2009, at 06:00, Gabriel Brewdant wrote: P.S. What programming languages do you guys typically use for standards compliant web development? (ruby, php, asp.net, python, perl;) Which ones should I look for in a good school? It doesn't really matter *what* you use, it's independent of the HTML you're going to produce. With that, ASP.NET will generate some amount of it and older versions had problems with generating standards compliant code. I believe but cannot confirm that is fixed now. You can get large amounts of heinously expensive training from Microsoft (and possibly work towards an MCSE or something). Personally, I favour perl (thanks to the large collection of excellent libraries known as CPAN), but the learning curve can initially be steep and you may want to look into training from someone like Paul Fenwick ( http://perltraining.com.au/ ) or Damian Conway, that being the case. I realise it's a short hop over the water to Australia, but I can highly recommend them both. For the others, I'm not sure there is high quality training anywhere. You might consider Zend certification for PHP but it's largely a formality (and something you get for the accolade rather than to improve yourself) and I wouldn't choose to hire anyone on their having it. I'm interested in formally educating myself in the area of web development and am wondering if anyone has any information about the different programs available in Wellington and their reputation? I want to know where I can get the best education about how to build standards compliant data driven (web 2.0 type) sites. I'm generally quite critical of university education about development, whether frontend or backend. Certainly over here in England, it appears that students are given minimal course materials and told to get on with it (and they inevitably wind up learning badly on the internet). I'm not convinced a university is really going to teach you up-to-date standards
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms
I think the ID's are required for the 'for' attribute to work for labels, which enables the their clickability. When these labels are clicked on they focus on the element whose ID is in the for attribute. label for=CommentsEnter you comments:/label Plus having ID's associated allows for more sophisticated form error handling by having targets.. http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=02310 Jim On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:37, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Good day, When making a form in Dreamweaver it puts in id=same as name in to every form item. When I take out all the id attributes the form still works. Why are the id attributes being put in by DW and, more importantly, is there an accessibility issue if I take them out? i.e. - textarea name=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea vs. textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea and input type=submit name=submit2 value=Submit / vs. input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms
Hmmm... I do not really remember.
I have used both together and separately at different times.
By enclosing a form control with a label you will have a little more control
over relative styling since you could something like this:
label:hover input {outline:solidl}
or have more precise placement and control over their location relative to
each other:
label {position:relative;}
input {position:absolute; right:x;}
I think there are some older browsers that like one method over the other.
Just a few thoughts.
Jim
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:35, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels
for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue
(based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the
first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts?
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[WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] table inside a dd?
Hi Two good resources may help you here: HTML help: http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/lists/dd.html Contents Inline elements, block-level elements The DTD for XHTML (strict e.g): http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd and http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict !-- definition lists - dt for term, dd for its definition -- !ELEMENT dd %Flow; !ATTLIST dd %attrs; Meaning you can add pretty much any element inside a dd. Whether it's the best way to do it, is another matter which I think the other replies answer. HTH James On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:18:35 pm Tim MacKay wrote: Hi all, Is it semantic markup to include a table of items ( in this case a nutritional information table ) as the contents of a dd within a definition list? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] [Spam] :changing font sizes from within a page.
I would be grateful if someone could tell me what is the current best practice for letting users change the font-size (e.g., by clicking on three 'a's of different sizes to make different css files be used) on the web site. Is it still a good idea, or do we go for the approach of using the browser to do it? Any and all helpful suggestions gratefully appreciated. Comes down to the 'give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' principle for me. If you explain to the user how to use their browser settings to change the text size then they can use that on any site. If you use the 3 A's it only holds up for your site (and breaks if cookies/JavaScript are turned off) James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] [Spam] :changing font sizes from within a page.
Comes down to the 'give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' principle for me. If you explain to the user how to use their browser settings to change the text size then they can use that on any site. Good in theory -- would you point out a few example sites that have done a good job of explaining this to non- technical end users? Roger Johansson wrote a great article about it that references some good places and links to the place I stole the fish analogy from: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200709/scrap_text_resize_widgets_a nd_teach_people_how_to_resize_text/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Installing More than one version of IE6
Darrin, I too used Internet Explorer Collection as suggested by Adam[1]. I did have to download some windows updates though to get IE8 running. I found the TredoSoft installer messed up form inputs and blocked selects! Thanks, Alex [1] http://finalbuilds.edskes.net/iecollection.htm *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] website fonts
To put what you wrote another way, with a font family list such as your example, the visitor is at the designer's mercy to see only the designer's choice of fonts, Yes, that's the point of typography and meeting the requirements of a client specification. Provided it's readable I don't see an issue and it can always be overridden. instead of the visitor's, even if the visitor has spent big money on high quality but uncommon fonts and chosen as default one of them. To actually see his choice, the visitor will have to set is browser to completely ignore the designer's font choices throughout all documents. Again, that's their choice. If they want to see their choice and know that they can do that, then they know how to do it, that's their requirement. The file they are viewing is in their cache, they can choose to do whatever they want with it. Like Mark, I say let the visitor's choice be the choice applied to most content, with the designer specifying otherwise only to highlight or provide character, as in headings, emphasis, or menuing. On body at least, it should be enough to specify either serif or sans-serif (partial deference to visitor), or nothing at all (total deference to visitor). If the visitor wants Comic Sans, let him have it. It's his puter, not yours. or hers ;) but yeah if they want to uncheck Allow pages to choose their own fonts then they can go right ahead as you suggest. What I'm suggesting is developing to the 50th percentile and making the design work for the majority of the audience. I'd suggest the outliers would be those who require different fonts for low vision requirements (a valid requirement), are die-hard fontists who like to control things (their choice, they can do the work to change the font) or have a love affair with viewing everything in SomeCrazyFont (and try to explain that one to a designer who sees their typographic design looking like crap). Cheers J *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] website fonts
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:00:27 pm Mark Harris wrote: Henry Mencia wrote: So you just have serif or sans serif in the font-family? Pretty much, unless a client specifies otherwise (and I'll try to talk them around). The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started, is the perceived need to make the web like the printed page. That, and the desire to make it pixel-identical in multiple browsers. Amen to that, in fact I'd suffix the pixel identical thing with and Internet Explorer. It (IE) is probably the costliest burden in web design and development over the last 5 years at least. Fonts : Nothing to stop anyone from specifying a font list and the generic family at the end of the list. That way you can aim for the font you like best, then the font which most people have (they may be the same) and then less common fonts you still want to display, then the family. e.g I did a site primarily for linux users and specified the font as: DejuVu Sans Condensed, FreeSans, Helvetica, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans- serif; The first two are quite common on Linux (Liberation is also a good, open source, Verdana like font), Helvetica is a common Mac font, the last three pick up 99.% (tm) of the slack and sans-serif picks up those browsers without any of them installed. Once you get to sans-serif, you are at the mercy of how the user or org has configured the browser for sans-serif display. Some may set it to Times Roman, some to Comic Sans. It'd be nice to try and avoid that ;) Cool site for further reading : http://www.sansseriftype.com/ Cheers James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] OT: Dominos Pizza - Looking for someone who's worked there
For any web service developers out there, here's a link to Dominos Australia's SOAP API: https://internetorder.dominos.com.au/InternetOrderingUIService/UIService.asmx I'm currently writing a command line port of the online ordering system (hobby project). It's almost done :) - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] returning to scroll position in a table inside a fixed hight div
exposing all the key functionality via basic semi-RESTful html Listen to this guy! - James -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] What to do with buttons when a user copies text from a page.
Hi list, Something I've been pondering - how best to handle buttons and other purely functional content residing within a block of selected text? Often a user will select a bunch of text and get something like: Some Headingminimiseclose Some text etc etc. I was thinking about adding JS mouse drag detection to hide minimise and close (let's say they're a elements) when the user is mouse-selecting text, but it would fail if a user used the text cursor to select. That aside, I'm iffy about the usability implications of this. Another idea I had would be to simply wrap the buttons in something that is meaningful to most text editors (like a p or suffixing them with a br /). I'm curious how others might approach this problem. The goal is elegant text selection. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] What to do with buttons when a user copies text from a page.
For all you know, their purpose in copying text from the page is to illustrate in a document that aspect of the page layout that includes the controls. That's very true. A more elegant bulletproof solution might be to rethink the page layout and visually place the controls above or to the left of the heading to allow the natural text flow to exclude them from selection. If the controls look like they're in the middle of the copyable text, a user with browsing experience will naturally worry that the controls will get copied along with the text, diminishing very slightly their sense of trust in the intuitiveness of the design. Also very true - this is what I think I would prefer to do given the opportunity. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Remove CSS inheritance property
Hi
Firefox places 1em 0 anyway on p elements anyway (not sure about the other
browsers), so it (firefox) will define the same margin as your framework's p
rule.
Type this into your firefox address bar:
resource://gre/res/html.css
p, dl, multicol {
display: block;
margin: 1em 0;
}
You can also view it in firebug (options show user agent CSS)
w3c says this
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#Computing_widths_and_margins
If 'margin-top', or 'margin-bottom' are 'auto', their used value is 0.
So you can't do #custom p { margin : auto; } as it will end up being computed
as margin : 0;
-- and firefox adheres to that rule.
Your best bet is to write your own rule or fiddle with the framework so it
doesn't rule your code (can't you specify which stylesheets load ?)
Cheers
James
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:36:47 pm Douglas Reith wrote:
Hi,
This might be basic to some people...
The site I'm working on has a default CSS that comes with the framework
that it runs on. The default CSS defines a property, specifically
p { margin: 1em 0; }
I can't edit the default CSS because it'll be updated with the framework
(won't be easy to maintain).
I've need to override the default CSS in certain sections of the site.
I'm simply using:
div id=CustomPage ...psomething/p.. /div
And then in my own stylesheet (for example):
#CustomPage p {
margin: 0 0;
}
Which works fine. However, what I would really like to do is actually
revert to the browser's margin property. That is, not override the
margin property but remove it. I don't want the default margin property
either. I just want the browser to define it.
Can this be done?
Thanks so much,
Doug
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Re: [WSG] SEO vs. Accessibility
On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:04:48 pm Chris Dimmock wrote: We can flag text that appears to be hidden using CSS at Google. To date we have not algorithmically removed sites for doing that. We try hard to avoid throwing babies out with bathwater. MattCutts at Oct 21 2005 - 02:09 That was nearly 4 years ago - One of the issues is that sometimes, Google does use automated scaleable' processes for spam control (as is their stated aim) - and sometimes it just rains babies. My point? Any CSS 'hiding' method can be detected algorithmically. And while it might be for accessibility/ usability/ whatever - it could get you in trouble. Mostly it won't, if a human checks it, and there is a accessibility/ usability/ rather than spam intent. But algorithms on their own can't detect 'intent'.. Exactly, there are some highly beneficial uses for hiding content, either off screen, with visbility hidden or with display none. A form spam honeypot field is one that comes to mind. I'm sure Google just don't focus on this alone and they have a number of other methods for detecting tricks to detect keyword spam. SEO is just another word for writing good balanced, content, having decent links in, links out and proper URL redirection methods. Cheers James Chris http://www.cogentis.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] valid meta tags
Rule: 13.2.2 - Documents are required to use META elements, that are defined as required, in Head section. Failure - Document does not contain a META element with the required name: language or language does not have a 'content' value. I always use lowercase for primary languages and uppercase for dialects. That appears to be the standard. At the same time, I don't think it would break validation, but it's worth testing. Example: Australian English is en-AU - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] SEO vs. Accessibility
I tend to use a class name like class=accessabilityonly for these fields, in the hopes of giving a reviewer at least a clue as to what I I'm the same, I use class=wai - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] blocking out of office replies [OT?]
Hi Not at the moment. For out of office replies I suggest you write a filter in your mail program checking the message subjects for the text out of office and variations., dumping them in another folder. Works for me, hardly ever see em. Return receipts are harder and we suggest people just turn them off when posting to the list. (Do you really want to to know if 5000 people have read your email ?) If you can't ignore or stop sending them because of various restrictions, consider using a gmail account for your mailing lists. gmail has IMAP and POP access so you can read send via your mail software if you wish. Thanks James -- admin. On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:15:17 pm dwain wrote: is there a way to block out of office replies from the list. this has been discussed before and it seems that the request has been ignored. cheers, dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills?
Hi Mike, I recommend you go to SEOmoz.org or seobook.com. James 2009/5/11 Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com Thanks for that little gem, Luke.I was kind of hoping for advice on the best way to learn more about SEO, and the most up todate techniques. I got a bit depressed when I googled SEO, and the first 50 or so results on what I searched for had dates in 2005. I feel sure that SEO has changed since 2005. Maybe it hasn’t. And my site is out of date and is being upgraded. Those errors you refer to are a result of the WYSIWYG inline editor I used on my AFPv3.1 CMS. It’s since been brought up to date and on the AFPv4.0CMS’s I’m installing for clients the results are up todate and much more compliant. I’ll upgrade my own site when I get time, but paying work takes precedence over non-paying work in our household. Thanks for pointing it out. Just what I needed. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Luke Hoggett *Sent:* Monday, 11 May 2009 4:22 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills? HI, The internet is a great resource. You won't get a certificate from it, but you will learn. btw your site has 62 validation errors, even transitional XHTML doesn't like href=http://afpwebworks.com/Index.cfm?pid=25 with no quotes on the attribute. also font id deprecated. Cheers Luke Mike Kear wrote: I’m sorry if this is off topic. I think it crosses over standards because it relates in a way, I hope you’ll be a bit forgiving to me….. I need to upgrade my Search Engine Optimisation skills. I’ve had quite good success at getting good rankings for my clients with attention to standards, good practices with design and coding, but I feel I need to know more about SEO and ought to update my skills in this area. I need to learn more about current techniques and become more skilful at the techniques I use. So I’m asking for your advice…What’s the best way for me to update SEO skills? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Background image not visible in ie
The guys over at unit interactive also have a help script to help fix the issues with transparent PNG images in IE6. http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php I highly recommend this script very handy and concise. The one problem I have noticed with it is that it doesn't respect background position on background images - everything goes to (0,0) . If this is ok, it is a great solution and can of course be applied via a conditional comment meaning no superfluous code for 'decent' browsers. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Background image not visible in ie
The only place I ran into a problem with the background position was using sprites for the menu on this site: http://thebrokenfamilyband.com I needed to use pixels for left and top values so didn't try 'center', maybe it would work. In the end I just used a conditional comment stylesheet to deliver IE6 a text only menu instead. The beauty of the script was not needing to set the filter on numerous elements as it searches for all PNGs and fixes them, but as mentioned it does require JavaScript as a small disadvantage. If you only want 1 or 2 PNGs then the filter is probably lighter. J From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Brett Patterson Sent: 29 April 2009 18:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Background image not visible in ie Have you used the CSS: background-position: center center; ? -- Brett P. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Ben Dodson b...@bendodson.com wrote: It does of course require JavaScript which isn't strictly necessary as you can get the same effect with just CSS (especially for the purposes of the example given initially). With regards to background image positioning, I'm fairly sure there is no way to stop it going to position (0,0) as that's how the Microsoft Filter works. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 29 Apr 2009, at 13:46, James Leslie wrote: The guys over at unit interactive also have a help script to help fix the issues with transparent PNG images in IE6. http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php I highly recommend this script very handy and concise. The one problem I have noticed with it is that it doesn't respect background position on background images - everything goes to (0,0) . If this is ok, it is a great solution and can of course be applied via a conditional comment meaning no superfluous code for 'decent' browsers. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE7 CSS fix
Can you not use a conditional? It's far more reliable than CSS hacks, which may cause problems in future browsers. !--[if IE 7] link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=iehax.css / ![endif]-- - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8: Extensions to CSS
Why do Microsoft always feel the need to include their own properties. Are these in the CSS 2.1 specs? I've never seen them. 2009/3/26 tee weblis...@gmail.com I was looking for a IE8 CSS support chart (do you know any?) and stumble on this site: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc304082(VS.85).aspxhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc304082%28VS.85%29.aspx Extensions to CSS The following CSS attributes are Microsoft extensions to the CSS 2.1 specification and should be specified with an -ms- prefix in IE8 mode: • -ms-accelerator • -ms-background-position-x • -ms-background-position-y . Interesting! Would be nice if it has -ms-border-radius . tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Jeffery Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer m: 07964722061 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
I was aware of the X-UA-Compatible thing, but have no intention of going down that route: I have no way of knowing whether my code is compatible with IE9 or not, so how can I decide which mode it should render in next year? (As you can all see, I'm not too sure whether it is compatible with IE8, and this page doesn't like previous versions much either.) - This was why I suggested using a value of IE=8 rather than edge, as discussed on ALA - http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype There are drawbacks as Georg mentioned but it seems the safest option to me. We are supplying all of our sites with an http header from the server of IE=8, if we want to change a particular site to a different rendering mode (to get into quirks mode for example) we add the meta tag which overrides the http header. Seems to be working a treat and avoids compatibility view entirely. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8: Extensions to CSS
Why do Microsoft always feel the need to include their own properties. Back in the day Microsoft utterly dominated the browser market, and as a byproduct of this were the main force of innovation in browsers and the web experience in general. IE was often released with non-standard features that were later incorporated into new standards. They still do this today, but their market share has decreased somewhat. Very simple. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
If in doubt, place this meta in page head... meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=edge / ...and the Compatibility view button will disappear in IE8. Using meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=8 / will also have the same effect (getting rid of the compatibility view button and forcing standards mode), but may be a bit more stable against future releases of IE. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Tiny Buggy IE thing
Kristine,
Try removing overflow: hidden; *(styles.css, circa line 523)*
(or change it to overflow: auto, but I really don't see the need for an
overflow - you already have overflow:hidden applied to uber-container. I
think a -5000 pixel margin on your wai text is enough to push it beyond
uber-container's boundary eh :-P )
*Explanation:*
I don't have any debugging tools handy, but I ran this through the address
bar:
javascript:for(i=0; i document.getElementsByTagName(a).length; i++)
{document.getElementsByTagName(a)[i].style.overflow = ; }; void(0);
...and it seemed to work fine.
Also, this mailing list isn't for debugging help, etc, etc.
Finally, @Krystian: http://www.getfirebug.com/ - will reveal all the info
you need fairly easily.
- James
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Re: [WSG] Hotlinking prevention does not work
This is not the place to discuss such problems. This mailing list is to be
used for discussions based around Web Standards.
Thank you.
2009/3/21 Keryx Web webmas...@keryx.se
Hi
I looked at my logs today and I saw a lot of hotlinking gping on.
So just why does this code not work?
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(.+\.)?keryx\.se/ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteRule .*\.(jpe?g|gif|bmp|png)$ /bilder/image-theft.png [L]
Lars Gunther
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[WSG] Blueprint Grids
After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print and non-web media and now want to start using them. I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and got a grasp for it. My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4 and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion. So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so, how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5 columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and leave the one? Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost productivity. Thanks -- James Jeffery Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer m: 07964722061 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Code management advice needed
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Robert Turner r...@flexadata.com wrote: Hi Jens, You need to branch the codebase. A typical SVN repository is setup as: repos/trunk repos/tags repos/branches Most people will checkout repos/trunk and just work off that. What you need to do is copy the trunk (svn cp/copy repos/trunk repos/branches/branch-version). Then keep two checkouts: repos/trunk (current versoin) and repos/branches/branch-version (old version). You appear to misunderstand the purposes of branches and tags. Branches are designed in order that you can work on something without disturbing the integrity of the main tree, tags are meant to 'tag' a release, i.e. something that was considered worth releasing or going back to. Most people create a branch for each new feature. When they're done, they merge the trunk back into the branch (to pull changes other people have made) and commit the branch code into the trunk. At that point you can kill the branch because it no longer serves a purpose. When the feature is done, if it warrants a tagged release, then tag it. If it doesn't, don't bother. If you need to later work on it, *then* you create a branch from the tag before merging and committing as per normal. As an aside, I find it easier to just check out the repo again into another directory, at a particular revision in the past. Nowadays I use git-svn and just create a topic branch for each change, merging them straight back into the trunk if they're small. There are a few annoying bugs in git-svn that I've been meaning to patch, however. --James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] macpro and softwares..
Is there any IE installers available for mac? No. The easiest solution is to install Windows XP onto a virtual machine (VMWare Fusion, Sun xVM VirtualBox, or Parallels). I've used VMWare Fusion, and it's quite nice, but Sun xVM VirtualBox is also very nice, and has the added bonus of being free. Helpful links: http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/index.jsp http://www.parallels.com/ - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
How big is the sample? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent server on my two highest traffic sites. Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites. Not sure what that means for us as web developers, but it would certainly be significant for Microsoft people if it was translated across the web. Of course other sites will have a different pattern, depending on the audience. On these two sites, the breakdown is like this: Unknown: 1.86% IE: 38.85% Bots,Spiders: 1.47% Firefox: 4.91% Google Chrome: 51.35% Opera: 0.72% Safari: 0.46% Netscape: 0.22% Other: 0.15% - Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Safari 4 and 3.2 Running Simultaneously
I got fed up trying to deal with multiple browser issues. First you have the issues with IE6 in MultipleIE, now this. Anyway, I just use VMs. Very pain-free. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] E-commerce
Kevin There have been several discussions on the list regarding ecomm systems, you might find your answers browsing the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=ecommercel=wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org Thanks James On Thursday 26 February 2009 16:27:17 Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, Does anyone have input on what is a good Web standards e-commerce solution? Thanks, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 2/24/2009 6:43 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Copyright Issues
What about coming up with your own?Not meaning to sound rude, but it could be an opportunity for you. Juts an idea James On 17 Feb 2009, at 10:20, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. doing a fruit and veg site, and now asked for permission to use recipes from Delia smith, Jamie Oliver, Nigella Lawson. but no success, and not able to use their recipies from their sites for my own site. part of my site, was a recipies page, with about 6 recipies. now, would like to put this site online, but my question is: what vegetable recpies and legal and free, and which people to approach to get permission. any ideas, or pointers. got permission to use images, which i found on google from the owners. and will put a credits links, and a page, next to my copyright page on this site. any one got any ideas, this is the last piece of the current site and student web project, which i want to upload online. but do not want to be prosecuted for copyright infringement in australia. so doing the right thing and getting permission. before uploading this site. any ideas. or maybe e-mail me off list if necessary. cheers Marvin. E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs
On a side note, there is a Firefox addon that reproduces JAWS-like output (in text), called Fangs. Link: http://www.standards-schmandards.com/projects/fangs/ - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Starting with HTML and CSS
That tutorial seems pretty detailed. Why not have them follow that tutorial, then introduce them to the float property and point them to a tutorial like: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/csslayout/2-col/ - James On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Katrina k...@t-tec.com.au wrote: Gday WSGers! I am lucky enough to be a tutor for a web course at the local uni, and I love to point students towards Starting with HTML + CSS http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss However, it uses absolute positioning. I would like to use a *huge* favour. Anyone want to write a simple blog post on how to take the HTML file already present in the link and convert it a 2-column design with a footer (most likely using floats OR even display:table!!)) That'd be excellent :) Sort of a Starting with HTML + CSS the sequel :) Many many thanks Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li
I fixed it in IE7, though that caused the problem that was occuring in IE7 to occur in Firefox. If you don't mind a conditional, problem solved! See it at: http://studioj.net.au/wsg/pcl.html - James On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Paul Collins p.coll...@twentyfirst.comwrote: Thanks for your replies everyone. I'm not explaining the problem well, so I've created a demo page: http://paulcollinslondon.com/temporary/test.html If you take a look at it in IE7 and Firefox, you should be able to see the difference. The first li is taller than the second one, causing the fourth one to float up higher than the third, (in IE only). If I clear the left, it works in Firefox, but in IE the fourth one still floats up. I know I've solved this a while back and I've seen solutions on the internet, but for the life of me I cannot find them again! Any ideas would be most appreciated. Cheers Paul -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li Paul Collins wrote: I can add a class of clear to every third list item, which is great, but I'm still having troubles in getting them to behave in IE. Has anyone got a solution, or seen on online lately?! Didn't check for the actual case, but it's usually safer to declare 'clear: left' than 'clear: both' when trying to clear left-floats in IE. IE has quite a few 'clear' related bugs, and I think this is one of them. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Well if a sysadmin is going to block js, then he/she will probably block facebook as well PS: I've been on this list for a while but only recenly started reading them! James -- James Milligan Lake Internet Services On 30 Jan 2009, at 12:29, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: Agreed - people certainly aren't getting any smarter as far as web technologies go. Particuarly as the web is now viewed as a common commodity that virtually everyone has access to. In the old days, it was more or less used exclusively by tech savvy users; it was very far from the plug and play service it is now. Unless an automated system is switching off javascript for the end user, from my experience the vast user base of the common population isn't going to actively go into settings and make a conscious effort to switch it off. The vast majority don't even know what it is. I, for one, will carry on designing sites on the basis that the chances of someone using a javascript disabled browser stumbling across me is minimal. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Dixon Sent: 26 January 2009 22:50 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript Again, can you show that the small decline in IE's market share has contributed to users blocking Javascript or using specific Firefox extensions? IE has had plugins such as the Web Accessibility Toolbar etc for some years now that allow disabling of Javascript very easily, so why would the usage of another browser and additional extensions change this? People do change their viewing habits all the time, and migrations between browsers will continue (whether to IE detriment or not), it doesn't mean people are getting smarter or that they are concerned at all about Javascript (im sure the security concerns over IE6/7 that have talked about over in the mainstream news networks over the past couple of years have had nothing to do with Javascript, and are far more related to Microsoft's proprietary ActiveX functionality). If memory serve's, the people are getting smarter observation has been stated on this mailing list since its inception, and we've yet to see any evidence of this. David David Lane wrote: Agreed - the level of savvy of most user is absurdly low, and at present few will know what Javascript is, much less how to disable it. The question is whether people today design for today's users, or tomorrow's... The trend will continue towards more sophisticated users, using better browsers (i.e. not IE) which support useful plugins like NoScript and their analogues for Opera, Webkit, etc. I suspect as more and more people get burned by identity theft and other forms of exploitation, the pain individuals experience will provide a strong motivation for learning. Also, organisations will increasingly make that decision on behalf of their users to minimise their own risk... Cheers, Dave *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Another point to note is that many mobile phones have JavaScript enabled so this figure may increase with the expected rise in mobile popularity. *** Sorry - that should have said disabled not enabled ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Was about to say! Very true, but the iPhone is proving a popular combination, especially with unlimited data on contract, and JS is turned on by default. There is an option to turn it off, but I doubt many would do so. PS I'm using an iPhone all the time now, typing this message one one! It's great, and renders webpages brilliantly. Only thing is that it doesn't yet support flash - sorry for going OT here! James -- James Milligan Lake Internet Services www.lake54.com On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:07, James Leslie james.les...@transversal.com wrote: Another point to note is that many mobile phones have JavaScript enabled so this figure may increase with the expected rise in mobile popularity. *** Sorry - that should have said disabled not enabled ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(
Guys thanks for the response. I hit the sac last night at nearly 6am and was very pissed off, with myself for failing the job. I'm all good now though because at the end of the day it wasn't really my doing. The guy that passed me the work does front-end development all day, I thought it was strange why he passed on the work to me. Now I see why ... because it was a bloody mess. Anyway. I can't say who it is, but it's a cable/sat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(
Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy that feeds me these jobs because I failed it, he isn't even understanding my situation and he's a front-end developer aswell. I mean 10 hours to do a whole lot of bug fixing and a near rewite is stupid. Also there was no SV so when I edited stuff, they overwrite it and it was an absolute nightmare. As you said. Lesson learned :p On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Krystian - Sunlust sunl...@gmail.comwrote: I remember when through GAF I got a on-page SEO job for a website, I was stupid enough to accept it without first looking at the code, it came out that it's a table based design with images in the markup used for layouts etc. I've done as much as I could, but it was a nightmare. Like Simon posted, it's a good lesson. Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Affordable Web Services in Eastbourne: http://eastbournewebdesign.net Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337 Call for more information or email me. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(
Some people are so tight with money (even those with alot) that they settle for cheap mess rather then refined bliss. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Viable Design desi...@viabledesign.comwrote: I've been feeling a bit guilty for the past few months because I wouldn't get the bugs out of a friend's insurance-business site for him on the ultra-cheap. The tables and inline mess would've taken so long to sort out that I probably would've been better off, time-wise, starting from scratch. I offered him a discounted rate, but it wasn't enough of a discount for him, I guess. Now, I'm thinking I did the right thing after all. I know he wouldn't've appreciated the clean coding, and he definitely wouldn't've appreciated the time spent. Jo Hawke On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Simon Pascal Klein kle...@klepas.orgwrote: On 30/01/2009, at 2:15 AM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: Join the club, I've been commissioned to do a local website and the guy was hoping he'd be able to get a quick bug-fix on his current with a bit of updating. Unfortuanetly the css was akin to the Guttenberg Bible; completely unreadable and would have been a pig to translate. Not to mention, a strange and chaotic mishmash of tables, frames and weird proprietary software markup. Some clients (and this one did, thank god) need to realize that when the original is written by a back street bedroom I can do that wannabe, they're paying for someone who can stick a few words and pics up and not much else. Wel, I for one, relish at the idea of getting my hands on a Gutenburg Bible and reading it… well analysing the lettering and type rather, but hey. :-) From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: 29 January 2009 14:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas Kaffee und Kuchen. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()
Aye' I did a task for a friend once. Charged him £100 for a few pages, a nice design etc. He refused to pay. He is a near millionaire, well his assets are worth that much. Business owners don't know how much work is involved sometimes. Even something basic requires some tweaking for browser support, mobile devices etc. To much infatuation with money in the business world. Some people are rich because they are tight. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:30 PM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: I did a site for one of my friends 'on the cheap', but put a lot of hours into it, and did it as 'properly' as I could. It was all hand coded and validated to the point of neurosis. Eventually, he decided that he wanted to pay me because he wanted to add a few more pages. When it was done, I told him to 'call it £160'. He went barmy - shouted about the lunacy of charging such a crazy amount, just for 'putting a few words in and moving a bit of stuff around. I've haven't heard from him for six months now, despite us growing up together on the same road many years ago. Friends? Keep well away! Bob - Original Message - *From:* Viable Design desi...@viabledesign.com *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( I've been feeling a bit guilty for the past few months because I wouldn't get the bugs out of a friend's insurance-business site for him on the ultra-cheap. The tables and inline mess would've taken so long to sort out that I probably would've been better off, time-wise, starting from scratch. I offered him a discounted rate, but it wasn't enough of a discount for him, I guess. Now, I'm thinking I did the right thing after all. I know he wouldn't've appreciated the clean coding, and he definitely wouldn't've appreciated the time spent. Jo Hawke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Failed A Job :(
Big company, worldwide infact. A great one for the resume but I failed it. I was brought in at the end of the project to fix some bugs. Let me just say that from viewing the source it was majorly flawed! I spent 6 hours on it before handing in the towel right near their deadline. The CSS was unstructured, way to much repetition which was the cause of some bugs and errors. The only way out of that was to rewrite the whole lot. I mean the guys who were on this project were creating empty spans with classes to push elements along a page (like spacers). They had an empty h1 with a span inside it for the logo they placed in using CSS ... that was only a part of the issue. I don't question my knowledge. It's up to par and I have completed a number of jobs, but on this occasion I sucked ... or they sucked ... or both. This website will be released to the world, and millions will use it, but its awfully constructed, not semantic at all and its another case of a poor website on the web. Ah well. Lesson learn't. Never jump into a project at the last minute to be relied upon for a couple of pennies. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Parenthesis around list counters
Greetings all, I am curious if it is currently possible to have a list item display its list counter with parenthesis around it such as this: 1. Item 1 (a). sub item 1 The only way I can think of this is via CSS 3 which is not currently widely supported, especially in our IE6/7 audience. Does IE7/8 support this? Would implementing Deans IE7 help? Any other thoughts on solving this? We are a small county displaying our ordinances and parens are important for legal notations and references. Thanx Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Multi Column Category Lists
Hey all, Quick question. I have some data pulled from a database (50 of the most recent categories/tags). These are positioned in a list in 2 columns (example below): - Category1Category5 Category2Category6 Category3Category7 Category4Category8 Its important that these are listed in that order as they are alphabetical going down the column. Currently I split the results from the database, place them in an array, and print 2 columns in separate lists. I was wondering if there is a way to do it without creating 2 lists and do it with one. I have had a think and a browse on google and couldn't find anything, so my last resort is to ask here. Ideas? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Our small county site has about 297k visitors last year and about 1.9% (5,700) had Javascript disabled according to SuperStats. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 14:33, Jessica Enders jess...@formulate.com.auwrote: Hi Pascal In the JavaScript/Accessibility/form validation discussion you mention the growing number of users who purposefully disable JavaScript. I'm always curious just how many people this is. Do you, or does anyone else, have any statistics on this? Is there a reason you describe it as a growing number? Any information greatly appreciated. Cheers Jessica Enders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility
after all it's impossible to tell those users using an accessibility aid like a screen reader from those who do not, and hey, the growing number of users who purposefully disable JavaScript won't see the glitzy JavaScript injected errors anyway. Agreed, and any decent validation is going to be done server-side validation anyway, so you're going to have to (or at least you should) implement the server-side responses in any case. - James -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility
Hmm, I made a typo. Coffee time. On 1/20/09, james.duc...@gmail.com james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: after all it's impossible to tell those users using an accessibility aid like a screen reader from those who do not, and hey, the growing number of users who purposefully disable JavaScript won't see the glitzy JavaScript injected errors anyway. Agreed, and any decent validation is going to be done server-side validation anyway, so you're going to have to (or at least you should) implement the server-side responses in any case. - James -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility
Sorry, I was a bit vague. I'm saying do all validation server-side. If you're looking for a quick and dirty solution to the element injection issues when screen readers are being used, you can try setting focus back to the new element's parent, though shifting focus is a practice often frowned upon. On 1/20/09, Anthony Ziebell anth...@fatpublisher.com.au wrote: Server side validation is of course a must... however, if the visually impaired visitor has JavaScript turned on and these error elements are created, they won't exactly get to the server side validation now, will they? ARIA looks good, looking forward to it getting out of draft status. Thanks, Anthony. james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I made a typo. Coffee time. On 1/20/09, james.duc...@gmail.com james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: after all it's impossible to tell those users using an accessibility aid like a screen reader from those who do not, and hey, the growing number of users who purposefully disable JavaScript won't see the glitzy JavaScript injected errors anyway. Agreed, and any decent validation is going to be done server-side validation anyway, so you're going to have to (or at least you should) implement the server-side responses in any case. - James -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Checking My Page
I thinks it's worth reminding everyone on the list that Marvin is actually a
blind web developer.
Personally Marvin I would stick with plain vanilla HTML with no styles at
all. Get rid of the Javascript and focus your time into developing and
marking up some rich content.
Never the less, given your circumstances I have to give you praise for your
work.
Btw. I am still trying to locate that paper I write for you. As soon as I
find it I will email it over. Having to search to the works backup server as
it's not on the system.
James
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Luke Hoggett luke.hogg...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Marvin,
Wow a flash back to web design circa 1997.
Well it does pass XHTML transitional, so plus there.
In terms of css errors well you really shouldn't be placing styling
information in id attributes i.e. id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1%
auto;
Your positioning breaks (text and images in the wrong places) when the
window is resized.
Frankly I haven't seen such a bad design in years, the only way you could
make it better is to add this style to the css
* {text-decoration: blink}
Check out some css gallery sites for better design ideas. Do the original
design as an image in Photoshop or similar, then cut up the xhtml and css
working from your design.
Also this isn't a help desk
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best regards
Luke
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
Hi.
Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server.
so, will post the url for feedback.
the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css.
so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the
css sheets i have.
and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the
content and the message.
now, formatting, colours, background, etc.
all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome.
cheers Marvin.
ps: so here's the url to the site.
http://tracs.co.nz/marvin/
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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Hi WSG, This entire argument is getting a bit much. Nothing on the web is in and of itself particularly accessible. Accessibility in HTML is a joke unless you have been taught the right practices. Flash was, is, and will continue to be, primarily, a tool for delivery of rich, interactive media. To that end accessibility in flash is almost a moot point, as you're never going to be able to enable a blind person to watch a video. If the issue is text, you shouldn't be using Flash, and if you are you should be implementing it in a manner that allows for graceful degradation. I know I'm glossing the issue, but bear with me. Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want. TAFEs and other para-tertiary institutions do this because that is what they are there to do. Their purpose is to give students the skills necessary to get a job and then self-perpetuate their skills. My experience of universities is that they don't do this at all. Even the less technical I.T. degrees will throw a smorgasbord of programming languages (no one goes to university to write HTML) and development methodologies at you and let you figure out which one works best for you. The result of being a good programmer is that it becomes easy to pick up ActionScript and use it well. Virtually no one writes good ActionScript. I've never taught flash to a class, so I won't speculate on its usefulness. It is in my opinion something that should be taught to I.T. students because of the ubiquity of Flash on the web. I think the argument against Flash in eLearning is flawed. It sounds more like an argument of how Flash is being used in eLearning. The issue doesn't lie with Flash itself, but with how eLearning software producers are using it. Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because they can't control it. This is mostly untrue, teachers do love the web. Occasionally you will find a teacher whose methods are out of date, but most commonly the issues lie with course curricula. I have hope that the tide is turning. Teachers/trainers have experienced the difficulties in creating and maintaining their content in Flash (just try changing one image used in multiple Flash files and the difficulties become clear) Again, this boils down to being a bad Flash developer. It took me a few seconds to think of a way to modify an image in multiple Flash files at once (without interrupting their availability to users either). the web generation is beginning to pierce/influence decision making levels, students/employees that love the web push to learn from formal resources the way they informally learn from the web, plus content changes in ever decreasing time cycles which leaves little time to build and rebuild Flash delivered content. I am a student. Formal resources are about the best damn thing that university has provided me. Unfortunately it's (arguably) not fun or cool to read a programming book cover to cover, so I can see why people complain. Stop using the term 'love the web'. Lots of people love the web, I'm sure, but it doesn't mean they have the first clue what's good for it. The few times I have seen Flash used well and written well it's beautiful. It's amazing. It's like having sunshine flowing through your vains. So, do you blame HTML for every poorly coded website? Do you blame Flash for every bad use of Flash? Anyway, it seems like this entire argument would be better stated as People who hate Flash because it doesn't behave in a manner identical to HTML, and also because it isn't HTML. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Browser / OS Test on website.
Under Skills you have Search Engine Optimisation and a few lines below that SEO (Search Engine Optimisation). ... or is this a SEO technique? ;o) On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Danny Croft static...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your suggestions and pointers everyone! I promise you it is really appreciated. I think i will make some changes soon and maybe email you all again just to see what you think. Once again thank you! Danny - Original Email - Danny Croft wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current browers. Like I said, only if you get a minute. Link: http://dannythewebdev.com (almost forgot to add the link) Cheers, Danny *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker Web Developer http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Henrik, Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =) The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites. Perhaps another icon would indicate this better? What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that make the links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site... The colors that you see current are a part of the default style sheet that I use and year should probably be changed. Thank you, Jim On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.auwrote: Hi Jim, A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac). 1) The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the right 2) Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background image on the main category, rather than a solid blue block 3) I'd have contact us link / details prominent 4) Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased 5) Increase padding around footer content 6) Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on hover, doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site) 7) What's that little globe about? 8) Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1) above should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold (potentially even a font change to something less cold) will deliver a purer, classier, more whitespace, overall feel? Like I said, my 2c. Henrik *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Alan, Font size: hmmm I use the the '100.01% on the body and them 1em on body/table' settings... What resolution are you using? Image Gallery: Thanks. The CSS for the image gallery was somehow deleted during all of the editing. That is fixed now. Thank you for noticing. Images: Hopefully in the next week or so we will be looking adding images to spruce up the site a bit. New Stuff: I have implemented Dean Edwards IE7 script and have the print and handheld style sheets (only tested under Opera small-screen) done. Thank you for your time guys.. Certainly there must be more... =) Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:26, Alan C Whiteman acwhite...@visualis.uswrote: Alan C. Whiteman Visualis Web Design http://visualis.us (562) 305-2862 ___ Your site looks fine in Firefox 3 under Linux. The font could be a tad smaller and then fill extra white space with decorative images. In the Locations page, the images at the bottom may be better arranged to show side by side. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Ultimately teachers should aim to teach the skills that are required of students entering the industry. The TAFE students I tutor in Sydney are being taught XHTML, XML, CSS table-free layouts, and so on, so not a bad start. The JavaScript courses look like they could use some improvement (see below). I think the biggest shortcoming though is that students are being taught the skills with no context, i.e. they are not taught how to further perpetuate their skills, which is an important shortcoming in an industry that evolves so rapidly. On a side note, my personal opinion on web media courses focusing on rich web content is that they should still entail the bare basics of HTML, XHTML, and CSS, with a toe-dip into JavaScript. These technologies are so fundamental to the web, and given their role as standards they should be part of any web-related courses. One of the most consistent problems I encounter when tutoring students is that a toe-dip into JavaScript simply doesn't work. JS is a fully-fledged OO scripting language, and as such in order to teach it properly a grassroots introduction to OO concepts is necessary. The course seems to have improved in the last year or so, in that they are teaching more current applications of JS, but that's about it. - James On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Simon Pascal Klein kle...@klepas.orgwrote: On 10/01/2009, at 6:50 AM, Matt Morgan-May wrote: Hi, Excuse me for jumping in here, especially (in this case) as a Flash partisan. But I fail to see how this kind of project can be anything other than a good thing overall. What I don't understand is why people are instantly critical of projects that are actually attempting to increase access to new technology. I've heard a constant drumbeat of don't use Flash: it's inaccessible in the years I've been involved in the field. But if we don't have people pushing that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy? There are lots of us out there working on improving the accessibility of both existing and future content authored in Flash. There are many arguments to be made for HTML -- I made loads of them while working for W3C, all of which I would stand by today -- but it is not all things to all people. The fact is that many educators have found that they can use Flash to teach their students effectively. I'm not an educator by profession, but my wife is, and she prefers Flash over HTML/CSS/JS to develop her courseware. If you were to tell her she's wrong, especially before seeing what kind of work she does, I think you'd probably find yourself dodging a couple shelves' worth of education texts. Telling a professional their tools are wrong is not the most endearing of approaches. In my opinion, the best one can do is to learn what they're doing, and offer ways to make that output more efficient, more inclusive, and easier to produce. Teachers aren't usually web developers, and we shouldn't want them to be. So I'm all for companies taking on the technical problems so teachers can be teachers, and so on. Ultimately teachers should aim to teach the skills that are required of students entering the industry. It's not uncommon that many secondary and tertiary IT and web media courses are grossly outdated. From my experience this is mostly attributed to the teacher's education in the field which they received when they did their tertiary education in order to teach, and have since not remained up to date with new developments and sadly even standards. Money and a requirement to regularly attend courses to keep educators up to date help in this regard but nothing beats personal interest—the high school IT teacher that in their own time is actively involved in his or her field will be more likely to teach his students about the latest relevant and exciting bleeding edge technologies. On a side note, my personal opinion on web media courses focusing on rich web content is that they should still entail the bare basics of HTML, XHTML, and CSS, with a toe-dip into JavaScript. These technologies are so fundamental to the web, and given their role as standards they should be part of any web-related courses. Just my 2¢. Thanks for raising this topic. (: —Pascal Thanks, M Accessibility Engineer, Adobe Christie Mason said: Exactly right. I've sadly watched Flash take over eLearning and still haven't figured out the attraction, except that it offers the control of PPT while appearing to be rich.There's only a very few types of web sites that still use Flash for delivering primary content - media sites, those that focus more on look at me instead of being a resource to their site guests, and eLearning. Since, supposedly, eLearning is about offering web based resources for learning it just doesn't make sense to me that it has ignored all the ways the web has supported, continues to support, learning w/o using Flash
[WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Greetings everyone, I just published this site: www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com for my our Yoga Studio to-be and I am curious for a critique. Someone else came up with the design and I hand-coded this in Dreamweaver. Tonight I will be applying Dean Edward's IE7/8, so, hopefully I can get rid of some of those CSS hacks. =) It is still a little bit rough it will work for now... I am also having someone put this up on Wordpress or Drupal. Let me know what you think... This is the first critique I have asked for... I would love to hear any questions, comments, suggestions, or improvements. *hides in a corner* Thanks all, Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Blockquote
This is the Internet mate, the site owners of the sites I'm to be scraping use the same methods. If I was to cite that site it would be wrong anyway because they don't even own all the content. If there is a financial gain, why sit back and let someone else gain from it? I know a guy that does the same with a lyrics site and makes roughly £14,000 a year in Adsense. It has to be done. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Adam Martin ajmartin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I don't think this is the place to ask advise on illegal matters. Scraping content from websites that you do not have permission from is copyright infringement. The fact that you don't want to cite the original source inidcates to me that you are building this site for some financial gain - whether that is to get exposure, advertising revenue or other means. Respect the content owners, ask for their permission to use the content!! - Original Message - From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote James Jeffery wrote: Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am mirroring/scraping/*stealing* quotes from certain sites. Hence why I do not want to cite the original site. I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that your are infringing on copyright and are worried that citing the source will get you caught? If so, you're trying to solve the wrong problem and should be seeking to license the content or otherwise use it within the constraints of the law. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Blockquote
It doesn't. I was supposed to email off list. Back to the question. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Maben and...@andrewmaben.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... indeed... but I'm losing track of what exactly this has to do with standards? Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
