Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
It's not dinasaur developers. It's systems that were never intended to have the lifespan they have. The web was a very different place a decade ago. See I remember 25 years ago. You'd have hated that. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Jun 2010, at 16:34, Sam Sherlock wrote: That's an industry education project in itself. indeed it is and Microsoft was forced to inform windows users of the choice of browsers a little while ago BBC Click reported that one XP user worried that this was the result of malware installed on his machine. Often users ignore system messages anyway there are a few things at play here with these ie dinosaurs The industry is still quite young and its users are not that knowledgeable of choices and whats to be gained Humans are reluctant to make changes even when the offer is free of charge - humans fear change; change requires effort on behalf of the user 'we have dedicated systems that reply on IE6' surely rely upon dinosaur users exist in dinosaur environments - these systems are created by retro thinking developers who still despite all the evidence to contrary think that IE browsers have the jump on other browsers or feel it more important for the system to be consistently abysmal across browsers rather than acceptable in IE6/7 and better in ie8 and vastly better in everything else. Ninja squads need to invade the premisses of ie6 users and install something better! using ie should be considered a health & safety issue http://icant.co.uk/ie6-amelie/ - S On 14 June 2010 14:46, Stephen Gibbings wrote: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Can you not swing IE8 in compatibility mode? That'll have no issues with activeX. Out of interest why won't your IT deparment say use this browser fir internal apps and the new FF or whatever for other browsing. Putting a shortcut to the internal app URL on the desktop would make it easy to differentiate for the user. They then don't have to say they support the app under another browser or even have a great deal to support with a modern browser for general as they all probably use one at home. This is something I have never understood. Steve Sent from my iPhone On 12 Jun 2010, at 08:44, nedlud wrote: Hi Phil, Sadly, no, it's not a typo. For some reason, known only to our IT department, they got locked into a vendor contract on some mission critical software where the vendor has only recently certified IE7 compatibility. The vendor *has not* certified their product with IE8, so we can't move to that. The same software does not work on any other browser like FF, Safari, or Opera. I assume they have some activeX components in there they they don't know how to port to Javascript. It is not something that we (the web team. we are not part of IT) are happy about, but our IT department doesn't listen to us web people. Lucien. On 12 June 2010 17:28, Phil Archer wrote: Thanks everyone for these interesting stats - depressing as they are. Lucien - I assume it's not a typo when you say your IT department is now rolling out IE7. I'm curious to know the rationale behind that cf. going straight to IE8. If they're doing all the testing to ensure that IE7 is safe from a company point of view, why not go for the current version? What am I missing? Thanks Phil. -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 nedlud wrote: Our site is a large health care site. Of the ~25 visitors in the last month, Google says the break down by browser is... Internet Explorer 69.44% Firefox 15.98% Safari 9.32% Chrome 4.20% And of the IE traffic, we get... IE 8.0 37.90% IE 7.0 32.87% IE 6.0 29.23% And that is only our external traffic. Our intranet traffic is a different story since IE6 is still our "official" browser, although our IT department has finally started rolling our IE7 as of this week. So for us, IE 6 can't be ignored, as much as we would like to. Lucien. On 11 June 2010 23:17, Duncan Hill wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:03 +0100, Foskett, Mike < mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com> wrote: Hi all, Ref "Links for light reading" article: http://mashable.com/2010/06/01/ie6-below-5-percent/ Which basically states IEv6 has dropped below the 5% threshold across USA and Europe. Nice figures, the stats were produced for May 2010, and calculated for 15 Billion page views. The quoted 4.7% using IE 6 therefore still amounts to around 70 Million page views during May 2010. (that's the entire population of the UK, and then some) . dead? Duncan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] semantic structure for icon and text
There are ways to make the icon clickable as part of the link when
it's a background.
Are you asking what is semantic or how to do things in css? It seems
the latter to me. The how you do it is secondary to the semantics.
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On 11 May 2010, at 11:22, Shrikant Sharat
wrote:
I think some people (like me) might click on the icon as opposed to
the link text itself. This might not work if the background image
technique is used, but I am not sure about this.
This point too, boils down to what your icon signifies in the link's
context.
2010/5/11 st...@stevegibbings.co.uk
Easy answer- use a background image.
Less easy answer - is the image content or just a visual
representation of existing content?
I would say the link is the real content and you are adding to that
visually with an icon image.
Steve
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Hi,
what is the correct semantic structure for putting an icon in the
website. when I checked youtube , I see the icons loaded with css
to a spacer which is 1x1 size. Is that a good approach?
I want to show an email id with an email icon with that. can
anyone suggest me the right semantic structure .
mailto:a...@gmail.com>some_email_id
or
just mailto:a...@gmail.com>some_email_id and attach
the icon with css background property for the anchor tag?
thanks a lot in advance.
.naveen_bhaskar
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email : naveenbhaskar...@gmail.com;
yahoo : naveenbhas...@ymail.com;
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Re: [WSG] semantic structure for icon and text
Easy answer- use a background image.
Less easy answer - is the image content or just a visual
representation of existing content?
I would say the link is the real content and you are adding to that
visually with an icon image.
Steve
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On 11 May 2010, at 10:48, "Naveen Bhaskar - live"
wrote:
Hi,
what is the correct semantic structure for putting an icon in the
website. when I checked youtube , I see the icons loaded with css
to a spacer which is 1x1 size. Is that a good approach?
I want to show an email id with an email icon with that. can anyone
suggest me the right semantic structure .
mailto:a...@gmail.com>some_email_id
or
just mailto:a...@gmail.com>some_email_id and attach the
icon with css background property for the anchor tag?
thanks a lot in advance.
.naveen_bhaskar
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yahoo : naveenbhas...@ymail.com;
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Re: [WSG] color contrast, success criterion 1.4.3
Try a standalone contrast checker where you enter your own colour codes/numbers. Remember that you need to take into account images may be disabled too. Sent from my iPhone On 3 May 2010, at 11:50, tee wrote: I need to pass a site for SC 1.4.3 and I was told some areas (especially link texts) do not passed. I ran the site through Juice studios Color Contrast Analyser as well as Color Checker Firefox extension and they fail in some areas that I find suspicious. Example, the site has #333 for body background, but header/footer sections use background images that are much lighter and I am pretty sure the contrast is above 4:5:1 I am not entirely sure if the person who assess the site uses Contrast Analyser to evaluate the site and doesn't taken other factors (e.g. background image) into account. So my question, how accurate is for Juicestudios Color Contrast Analyser and Color Checker Firefox extension? Will the brightness of monitor affect the result. Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] DIBI conference Gateshead
I am attending the DIBI conference in Gateshead, UK at the end of April. If anyone from the WSG is interested in meeting there please let me know. Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Testing on Windows 7
Well I am not exactly saying that as I would test ie6 & ie7 on XP and ie8 on windows 7. It really depends on your clients, the site etc. But I really would expect any material differences between the same non-ie browser and version on XP and windows 7. Maybe schedule some brief testing until you feel confident? You will need to use XP for ie6 and ie7 testing anyway. Hope this helps. Steve Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 10:11, Peter Mount wrote: Hi I just want to know if there is a need to test in both Windows XP and Windows 7 i.e. if there is a need to schedule additional OS version testing. I take it from your reply it's good enough just to test in Windows 7, without testing in Windows XP as well. Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 6:54 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: I haven't noticed anything in firefox or chrome when the same version is used. Nothing big enough to make me wonder if a client would try to suggest it was a bug in the site. Of course this is somewhat immaterial as you wouldn't be able to solve anything caused by OS version subtle differences and I would say there will be more obvious differences between Windows, Mac and Linux. I gave up long ago trying to make sites photographically identical across browsers let alone OS. Are you asking in case you need to schedule additional OS version testing? Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 09:28, Peter Mount wrote: Hi I'm just asking in general. I just want do know if there's any difference in any of the currently used web browsers. Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 6:06 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: I have windows 7 and XP running on VMWare player. What browser and version are we talking about and do you have a site that exhibits a difference? I can take a look and let you know. Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 07:05, Peter Mount wrote: Hi Has anybody noticed differences in web browser testing on Windows 7 compared to Windows XP? Or do web sites show up the same on Windows 7 as they would on Windows XP? Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Testing on Windows 7
I haven't noticed anything in firefox or chrome when the same version is used. Nothing big enough to make me wonder if a client would try to suggest it was a bug in the site. Of course this is somewhat immaterial as you wouldn't be able to solve anything caused by OS version subtle differences and I would say there will be more obvious differences between Windows, Mac and Linux. I gave up long ago trying to make sites photographically identical across browsers let alone OS. Are you asking in case you need to schedule additional OS version testing? Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 09:28, Peter Mount wrote: Hi I'm just asking in general. I just want do know if there's any difference in any of the currently used web browsers. Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 6:06 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: I have windows 7 and XP running on VMWare player. What browser and version are we talking about and do you have a site that exhibits a difference? I can take a look and let you know. Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 07:05, Peter Mount wrote: Hi Has anybody noticed differences in web browser testing on Windows 7 compared to Windows XP? Or do web sites show up the same on Windows 7 as they would on Windows XP? Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Testing on Windows 7
I have windows 7 and XP running on VMWare player. What browser and version are we talking about and do you have a site that exhibits a difference? I can take a look and let you know. Steve Gibbings Web designer & Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 07:05, Peter Mount wrote: Hi Has anybody noticed differences in web browser testing on Windows 7 compared to Windows XP? Or do web sites show up the same on Windows 7 as they would on Windows XP? Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
