Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music
Hello James; I *think* it needs to be a choice of the user - if not it'll add to the confusion for screen readers and also annoyance for the user waiting for the download and start of the music. Regards ~Veine On 15 Aug 2008 at 15:14, James Leslie wrote: Hi, This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if you feel that is more appropriate. I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for a bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to initiate playback? Thanks James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This communication contains information from Vikberg.Net that may be confidential. Except for personal use by the intended recipient, or as expressly authorized by the sender, any person who receives this information is prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, and/or using it. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately delete it and all copies, and promptly notify the sender. Nothing in this communication is intended to operate as an electronic signature under applicable law. © 2008 Vikberg.Net. All rights reserved. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
Hello Laert;
The rule below, set that to the percentage you want, as it is now, IE fixes it
at 10px
#biography p {
font-size: 10px;
line-height:1.0;
margin: 8px 0 0 0;
color: #999;
}
HTH
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On 20 Feb 2008 at 12:54, Laert Jansen wrote:
I don´t understand why is the text frozen in IE and not in FF
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Re: [WSG] making a menu bar hug the right
Good Evening Michael;
To your ul rule add no padding and no margin, ie
ul {
list-style: none;
padding: 0 auto;
margin: 0 auto;
}
That should help it out.
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On 5 Feb 2008 at 20:51, Michael Horowitz wrote:
Sorry for the flurry of questions but I've traditionally done my sites
with tables and am doing my first completely css site now
http://terrorfreeamerica.us/
Just setting up the menu on the left and I'm wondering how to get my
menu buttons to hug the left hand side of menu div. Currently its
hugging the right. I thought setting the width to 98% would keep it
virtually the same size of the entire div.
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Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
Hello again Michael;
Same story different instance, in this case the wrapper needs to have them, ie.
#wrapper {
text-align: left;
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0 auto;
width: 950px;
}
HTH
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I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in
firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/.
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Re: [WSG] PLease remove me
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Re: [WSG] CSS Problem in Mozilla and IE6
Add to Ryans change in the css below, that you have no spaces in the code
for the header like this:
div id=pageHeaderimg
src=http://www.nichemktghouston.com/mneiman/images/mneiman_logo.jpg;
alt=Melissa Neiman width=700 height=143 //div
Then I think you should be good to go
Regards
~Veine
In your CSS
change to this:
#nav ul {
margin: 0px 35px 0 35px;
padding: 5px 0 0 0;
text-align: center;
}
this works in FF 2 but note it has not been tested in IE.
RM
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Here is the link to a website, and I've only gotten this far:
http://www.nichemktghouston.com/mneiman/physician.html
So far, It looks proper in IE7, but in Mozilla, the horizontal
navigation
links do not center but rather move to the right so that I don't see the
full Contact link.
In IE 6, the pageHeader div is not stacked directly above the nav div.
There is some additional white space (from the background color).
Could anyone please help. I seem to do fine with CSS when the
navigation
is vertical in a column, but I always run into problems when the
navigation
is horizontal.
Thank you,
Joyce
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Re: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
God afton Georg;
Well, nice to see a fellow Scandinav (I'm born and raised Swede) on this list,
even though I'm in diaspora in the USA since six+ years.
Thanks for the suggestion :) now I just have to figure out why that is working
LOL
The display table did the trick for Mozilla and Opera on PC, however, on Mac
it's till pretty messed up, the whole first wrapper is placed to the right of
the nav on top, making the page double wide in Mac IE 5.
I do not know why this is happening on the Mac, and I was wondering if it may
look the same in Safari and more recent Mac browsers.
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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:45:06 +0100
Try adding:
#content #wrapper {display: table;}
...or
#content #wrapper {overflow: hidden;}
...to make that container expand to hold content - and stretch its own
background (which is what you want, I think).
regards
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[WSG] Mac CSS issues
Hello; Well Georg came with a suggestion that is working for Windows machines - now this design is close to what it needs to be on Windows IE/Moz/Opera. My issue is now Mac - I have a mac in the office (Strawberry iMac os 8.6 IE 5.1) and on that one all layout is virtually gone with the wind. All id and classes seems to be ignored, and they are thrown all over the place, stretching the page to a three screen horizonal scroll. I am at a loss to why this happens. The page is question is: http://jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ Any help on/off list is GREATLY appreciated. Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac CSS issues
LOLOL I'm not keen on serving different versions they usually end up creating more problems then solve them. Seems like Mac users are not liking this browser very much eh? Am new to macs this is my first machine running. What are you guys testing in Os9 and OsX with all browsers (Safari, iCab, Netscape - more out there?) Thanks in advance for answers Regards ~Veine -- Original Message -- From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:21:48 + This may not help at all BUT... It looks fine on Safari (Mac OSX 10.4) and it would be very reasonable just to ignore IE 5 for Mac as even Microsoft don't support it. A way of working round the problem is to use server-side (or client side if necessary) to serve a cut-down version of the site to IE.mac (and ie4 and NN) users. Maybe I'm a bad designer/ programmer but I refuse to go out of my way to accommodate IE.mac on the grounds that it is an obsolete pile of cr [connection terminated]... On 27 Jan 2006, at 18:09, Veine Vikberg wrote: Hello; Well Georg came with a suggestion that is working for Windows machines - now this design is close to what it needs to be on Windows IE/Moz/Opera. My issue is now Mac - I have a mac in the office (Strawberry iMac os 8.6 IE 5.1) and on that one all layout is virtually gone with the wind. All id and classes seems to be ignored, and they are thrown all over the place, stretching the page to a three screen horizonal scroll. I am at a loss to why this happens. The page is question is: http://jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ Any help on/off list is GREATLY appreciated. Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac CSS issues
-- Original Message -- From: Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:38:43 +0900 Your iMac runs old sofware... I have become painfully aware of that, posting this to the list, now I have to actually research a little more about the mac ;) to see if dual boots are doable etc. That site displays fine in Opera 9TP1 Mac, Safari 1.2 and 2.0, Firefox 1.5. Camino and Firefox nightly trunk builds have a problem, the side test (under the contact data) drops below the image. Nothing to worry about, it is a regression from a recent code base mod. Wonderful news indeed! IE mac has some more serious issues, at least one. It puts #content next to the #header, which is floated. Solutions: either add a clearing element between header and content, or just float:left #content. Philippe - you are a genius, I had to float all major id's but one by one the slowly went into the fold. Why this in mac users eyes anciant browser was of value to me is that this website has around 3-4% coming in with IE 5 on Mac according to the logs, and I'm VERY happy to be able to cater to them as well. Thanks again - this list is wonderful!! Regards ~Veine Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
Trying to understand where I have gone sooo wrong This looks ok in IE (surprise eh?) however Mozilla, Opera and Mac IE 5.1 / OS8.6 it breaks and looks awful. I have now stripped the css to the bare minimum for requirements and uploaded a fresh copy of it, it validates but it doesn't mean anything. Thanks in advance for any/all help :) Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes -DUH
http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ been one of those days I'm afraid ;) -- Original Message -- From: Veine Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:05 -0500 Trying to understand where I have gone sooo wrong This looks ok in IE (surprise eh?) however Mozilla, Opera and Mac IE 5.1 / OS8.6 it breaks and looks awful. I have now stripped the css to the bare minimum for requirements and uploaded a fresh copy of it, it validates but it doesn't mean anything. Thanks in advance for any/all help :) Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
Even with the link supplied - either all of you are asleep - or am as stumped as I am at this point ;) ~Veine Link again: http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ -- Original Message -- From: Scott Swabey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:58:32 +1100 Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] why, why, why, --firefox glich--
At 09:43 PM 3/28/2005 +0200, you wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:29:50 +0100, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--this list is my only hope---
I've been rebuilding the html of this page over and over and cant find why
the container div dosnt resize{height} to accomodate all the content in
firefox.
Below is a link to the css and page.
http://mcmonagle.biz/TESTSITE/
Kevin
This is just a quick peek at it, scrap the height attribute for the
typecontainer, add a clear: both rule to the spacer div at the bottom,
since I see that you use that one in more places then one, you may have to
write one just for that.
That should make it look good in all browsers :)
HTH Regards
~Veine
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Re: [WSG] Internet Explorer - What's going on here!!!
Hello Chris;
Am a little tired, but you have one of the padding bugs in there, which one
am not sure;
Looking at your CSS though gives this for the element in question:
#header div.time strong {
background: #FFF;
font-size: 0.8em;
padding: 0 0.5em;
border: 1px solid #000;;
border-right: none;
}
Clean that one up some to become:
#header div.time strong {
background: #ff;
font-size: 0.8em;
padding: 0 0.5em 0 0; (assuming you want this to have right padding with 0.5em)
border-top: 1px solid #00;
border-right: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #00;
border-left: 1px solid #00;
}
and see if that helps.
As for XHTML Strict DTD and target new, go back to use the standard DTD,
and a href=http://www.simplyrewarding.net/someurl/;
onclick=window.open(this.href); return false;Some link text here/a
Regards
~Veine
At 02:10 PM 3/5/2005 +1100, you wrote:
Hey Nick,
The customised DTD simply allows: target=_blank
Thats all.
It is otherwise the standard XHTML Strict DTD.
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
On 5 Mar 2005, at 1:35 PM, Chris Stratford wrote:
My website - www.simplyrewarding.net looks great in FireFox.
Yet IE has this little bug:
http://www.simplyrewarding.net/media/ie_dumb.jpg
I am not sure WHICH bug it is, so I can fix it!
Any help??
I stopped looking as soon as I saw the custom DTD - how can you predict
results when you move outside of standards?
BTW - your header is even worse in IE5/Mac - screenshot coming offlist..
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[WSG] Question about vertical CSS navigation
Hello; Is there an alternative to the one I use now at http://www.iamu-edu.org , that is(/was?, can't find it anymore) listed on Russ http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/listamatic/ page? An alternative that is doing the same thing, and will function as that one, but with no extras that can't be validated (as the one I have has) All of the nice vertical lists I have found with the help of Listmatic as well as Googling myself, comes up with absolute positioned ones. Any help appreciated, and I hope I make sense, but the hours has been long this week, and it doesn't seem to end yet ;) Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag
Greetings from Northeast ;) At 03:14 PM 12/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on every page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once send the robots forward to all the other pages? meta name=robots content=index, follow / Per se you do not need this meta tag at all, since the default value is just this, however, if search engines are concerned, a couple of other lists I'm on suggests that they may be necessary to put back in for some of the new spiders that value well built pages. Personally after reading that I include it on the front page of every site, since the front is carrying most of the SES (search engine spiders) weight just for good measure, I mean the extra few bytes on the page will not do any difference for download speed purposes so.. what could be hurt? HTH Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag
Good afternoon; At 01:11 PM 12/13/2004 -0800, you wrote: I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you. If I get your question right you want none to visit and index, if that is the case, then in robots.txt you put the following: User-agent: * Disallow: / HTH Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] a quick target question
a href=wharever.com onkeypress=window.open(this.href); return false; onclick=window.open(this.href); return false;Whatever.com/a HTH ~Veine At 09:28 AM 12/6/2004 -0800, you wrote: Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for target=_blank. I can't remember the correct javascript statement that opens it in a new window. I'm sure others could use it as well. Thank you Ted Drake Web Content Editor CSA Travel Protection http://www.csatravelprotection.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] a quick target question
At 06:03 PM 12/6/2004 +, you wrote: Veine K Vikberg wrote: a href=wharever.com onkeypress=window.open(this.href); return false; onclick=window.open(this.href); return false;Whatever.com/a *Don't* use onkeypress, as Mozilla browsers - and rightly so - treat a TAB as a keypress as well. Using onkeypress makes it impossible for users to TAB beyond that particular link. Onclick is, despite its name, device independent, as the vast majority of browsers (I'm actually compiling a list which I'll publish later tonight) trigger the event via the keyboard as well (in the case of a link, hitting enter will trigger the onclick) Well, my link was given for XHTML Strict, in where my solution is the only way to both make sure it is to the greatest extent accessible as well as validating the code. Let me explain a little more; The above mentioned code is the HTML 4.x target=new in a newer fashion, where the new window is launched by passing the href attribute to the window open object's method. The return false is returned from the event handler. If Java script is enabled the false returned is prohibited from being processed and the Java script event handler does it's task. Now in the event of Java script turned off, the link is a 'normal' href link, which will be carried out by the browser, and the user can visit that link, however in the same window as they were in (not opening in a new window). It's basically a catch-all scripting to be as accessible as possible. Since my prime concern with most of the web sites I build is accessibility this is the script that will work for most occations, and this code is not platform/device dependent. The reasoning is to provide onclick for mouse users and onkeypress for using a keyboard. I do this to make sure that the most users can access the pages I build (my target is supporting down to NS/IE 4.x) *IF* there was a way of completely not using Java script I would go with that, but there is no way around the issue as I have found, since the latest statistics I saw on the Java script subject was that 20-25% has it turned off in their browser, and that Flash is now ahead in usage. That maybe be all good and well, however the usage of Flash makes the accessibility issues larger (however can be solved) but few wants to pay the difference in development cost. HTH, Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
RE: [WSG] a quick target question
At 10:59 AM 12/6/2004 -0800, you wrote: Aside, while it may be convenient to embed javascript in HTML tags by way of illustration, let me reiterate the oft-made point that doing so in practice is a mistake, for at least these two reasons: 1) User agents that don't support the scripting language or any of the functions used in the script will throw an untrappable error. Better to apply behavior to objects on the page from a safe distance whereby nothing occurs when the script is unsupported. The most common way to do this is to engage an initialization script with the window.onload event which checks specifically for support before adding behavior to objects on the page. 2) Separating content (HTML markup) from behavior (script) from style (CSS) is A Good Thing because modular software is easier to maintain, and because old, cranky, or idiosyncratic browsers can more easily be protected from components they don't support. I would therefore mark up that tag (uniquely identified so a script can find it easily) simply as: a id=unique123 href=whatever.comWhatever.com/a or: div id=unique123 a href=whatever.comWhatever.com/a /div and apply the behaviors separately from a linked script. Paul; Interesting solution you have come up with here, however, thinking validation versus functionality here, this is the same idea of a 'catch-all' handling, however, I am not sure that your script linked to this can give both on-click and on key press to the user can it? If so I would love to see an example of your code, or even better in a working page somewhere :) Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] a quick target question
At 07:51 AM 12/7/2004 +1100, you wrote: Just use target=_blank and use my DTD which is modified to allow the target=_blank !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC XHTML 1.01 Strict http://www.neester.com/DTD/xhtml-target.dtd; One of the more resourceful ways of getting around the problem with target=new that I have seen, however since it's not endorsed by W3C to be included in Strict I think there is a reasoning for that: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_targetmodule Basically if I recall correctly, the Strict version of any HTML DTD has ever had the target attribute included (forgive me if I am wrong but I started to build in HTML 2.x and my memory of such times are fading), the only two DTD's that are allowing it is XHTML Frameset and Transitional, and if all other fails the fall back id to step back down on the DTD's. Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] a quick target question
At 11:54 PM 12/6/2004 +, you wrote: Veine K Vikberg wrote: Well, my link was given for XHTML Strict, in where my solution is the only way to both make sure it is to the greatest extent accessible as well as validating the code. Let me explain a little more; You missed my point completely: keep the onclick, but ditch the onkeypress, as it otherwise means users can't tab past your link. Onclick is triggered by the keyboard as well, so there's no need for a matching onkeypress. I know that keyboard users with Mozilla will get stuck at the link, I did not miss that point, and I think that is an issue that Mozilla needs to address shortly, since it's non compliant behavior. I am following W3C guidelines for XHTML validation, and I follow WAI Content Accessibility Guidelines 1999/05/05, Support Level: AAA ( http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ ) For the XHTML there is no need to put in redundant code, the code will validate with either the onclick or the onkeypress, or both used redundantly as my example was, and if the goal was only XHTML compliance I would agree with you to 100% on the issue of not using onkeypress for the reason above. However, the WAI is not as forgiving and this is a device-dependent attribute, where redundant input methods are required for the same element. There are five instances where WAI gives us no choice but to use redundancy: onclick with onkeypress onmouseup with onkeyup onmousedown with onkeydown onmouseover with onfocus onmouseout with onblur These event handlers responds to what the user does, weather it is key press, mouse clicks, voice activated etc. Most of these event handlers are only for eye candy, or to get a users attention, but onclick/onkeypress is a part of the functionality of the page and must be presented device independent to achieve even AA WAI standards. This is the reference to WAI standards for the above; http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505/#tech-device-independent-events These are the guidelines I follow, and I have the hopes that the browser market would start to adhere to (or at least attempt to) the standards, I know .. I know... it's Utopia, but what can one do? Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] a quick target question
At 02:28 AM 12/7/2004 +, you wrote: However, the WAI is not as forgiving and this is a device-dependent attribute, where redundant input methods are required for the same element. There are five instances where WAI gives us no choice but to use redundancy: I find it interesting how you refer to WAI as unforgiving and leaving you no choice. Of course, accessibility is not the rote mastery of a set of guidelines, but also involves a level of judgement. If you try and validate anything towards the standards at Bobby (which is the measurement my clients in the public sector uses) there is no way you can get around the redundancy, if you only do onclick it gives you an error at level 2, that is what I mean with unforgiving. (I am in the US btw, and governmental bodies here needs to see that the pages are validating with Watchfire tools) Thanks for the long and exhaustive rundown of what WAI is, what event handlers are etc...but I think you'll find that I am quite well versed in the subject matter. One thing to note: even people at the W3C agree that onclick is effectively a misnomer of what should really have been called onactivation. There *is* no device independent equivalent: onkeypress is just as device dependent, if not more, as onclick - however, onclick is de-facto triggered by a variety of devices, not just mouse buttons. Do a search around the subject of whether or not onclick is to be considered device dependent or device independent, and you'll find that modern thinking on the issue is that onclick *is* device independent. Even on the actual WAI IG list, the subject seems almost unworthy of a prolonged discussion http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2004JanMar/0512.html Well, from what my tired brain can read, you are saying that there is no device independent equivalent, so that is why WAI validators ask for the redundancy? I couldn't agree more with the people at W3C here, that it is in fact as misnomer, but then why hasn't it been picked up by WAI I wonder? These are the guidelines I follow, and I have the hopes that the browser market would start to adhere to (or at least attempt to) the standards, The standard have holes in them. For true device independence, truly independent handlers such as (fpr lack of appropriate terminology) onactivation for onkeypress, and something like onactivatortriggererd for onmousedown/keydown or onactivatorreleased for onmouseup/keyup would be needed. Currently, even some of the doubled up event triggers only seem to cover mouse and key/switch activation, and don't cover things like voice...but I digress. Agreed that it's like a Swiss cheese at points, and pretty solid at others, however it's the best we have to work with at the present time, and as the regulations for some governmental sites here in the US are to at least fulfill WAI AA, if not AAA, I see no other choice for me to continue to use both, even though I would rather not, since the validator crave it because it's in the WAI standards. But I'm happy to respect that you follow the guidelines, but I must point out that it's not as cut and dry as you may think. No, indeed it isn't I'm afraid. If I could only convince people in decision making positions I would stop using it in a heartbeat Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Well..., Where to start Load time, even on DSL it loads really slow, this site is not intended for modem users at all (still the largest population of internet users) but on the other hand, by looking at your branding work, seems like you don't really cater to small clients, so you may not care. Graphics? - The site looks not complete, I reloaded twice to get a header of sorts, and then realized that there will never be one, and it has no real ' point of entry ' or home page. The design with the little arrow in the top right corner does not really look like something can be used (I mistakenly took it for something to close the window with. The ' portfolio ' of sorts does not have any back buttons after you see the work - the whole navigation is cumbersome to use, and from a usability stand point, where you want to make it as easy as you can on the customer, this is not the answer. Branding - well, seems like you brand customers really well (love the My Equifax one) but you forgot yourself? Am going to stop here, am sure that this is not what you wanted to hear - and it's only my opinion - so take it for what it is - in my opinion this is more like a presentation on a screen like a Flash Power Point presentation. Regards ~Veine At 12:33 PM 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Regards, Laurie Keith - Senior Developer Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Colour Scheme aids
This is my favorite: http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/ HTH ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Can someone tell me... (long)
: 760px;
height: 24px;
}
.footer p {
position: relative;
padding: 2px;
margin: 0px;
text-align: center;
font-size: 80%;
}
.footer a:link {
color: #33;
}
.footer a:visited {
color: #ff;
}
.footer a:hover {
color: #cc;
background-color: #33;
text-decoration: none;
}
.footer a:active {
color: #33;
}
Regards
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Can someone tell me... (long)
THANK YOU!!
Slaps self with noodle - 'BAD PRACTICE to bunch it, BAD BAD BAD.'
Thanks again Bryan, I don't know how many times I have piece by piece been
going over this sheet in detail WITHOUT seeing that..
' Puts DUNCE cap on with Gorilla glue '
Regards
~Veine
At 08:10 PM 8/22/2004 +0100, you wrote:
At a glance, I would suspect that this piece of code is causing all links
to follow {display:block;}.
.leftcol ul,li,a {
display: block;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
}
If that is the problem you are experiencing, the solution is to change
that rule to:
.leftcol ul, .leftcol li, .leftcol a {
display: block;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
}
Also, a basic and explicit rule for a ought to override other general
stylings.
Just at a glance but I hope it helps.
Regards,
Bryan Davis
www.trumpetboy.com - Affordable Web Design for Musicians
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Can someone tell me... (long)
At 07:17 AM 8/23/2004 +1000, you wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:25:40 -0400, Veine K Vikberg wrote: Thanks again Bryan, I don't know how many times I have piece by piece been going over this sheet in detail WITHOUT seeing that.. Firefox's Tools DOM Inspector is very handy for viewing exactly what rules are affecting a block. Drill down to the block of interest, then change the little square blob with the drop down arrow on the details pane (stupid that it doesnt have a name attached - how are we supposed to discuss it?) to say 'CSS Style Rules' Thanks Lea I will reinstall Firefox, I didn't like it much when I installed it last time, but went back to my Firebird which I found being much more friendly, but if it has such an advantage somewhere I will hunt it down. Thanks for the tip :) Regards ~Veine Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Valid XHTML and Flash
Hello; Most of that junk is not needed; object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=movie.swf width=700 height=180param name=movie value=movie.swf/param/object Works in all browsers; if you want to be section 508 (and higher) compliant, make sure you create a gif/jpg with static content to make it look like this: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=movie.swf width=700 height=180param name=movie value=movie.swf/paramimg src=images/noflash.gif width=700 height=180 usemap=noflash alt=Content Description //object and make text links in a separate client side image map if needed HTH ~Veine At 02:37 PM 7/29/2004 -0400, you wrote: This is the code: object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 codebase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=5,0,42,0; id=movie width=700 height=180 param name=movie value=movie.swf / param name=quality value=high / param name=bgcolor value=#FF / embed name=movie src=movie.swf quality=high bgcolor=#FF swLiveConnect=true width=700 height=180 type=application/x-shockwave-flash pluginspage=http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer;/embed /object Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
The link on the page is broken ;) However, if you copy the link address and take out the first http:// addy, and the trailing %20 you can download it (what I did) Will read it on the flight over the puddle, have a good one ~Veine At 01:22 AM 6/22/2004 +1000, you wrote: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource210.cfm Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Have stared too long
and I am probably missing something really simple; This is the page in question: http://nrotc.mainemaritime.edu/goals.html (css in separate file) This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict and before jigsaw went down, the CSS was having no errors as well. It also passes as Section 508 (which are the goals for the site) The page looks kind of intended in Netscape 7.1, but no where else (IE, Opera etc) My main problem is the blasted unordered list where the bullets disappear in IE, and the picture going off to the left in Opera. Any help would is appreciated as I have spent the last 5 hours trying to get this one to work. Disclaimer: the css file is huge and probably have a lot of extras that needs to be taken out, but as long as I can't get it to work as intended I am not prone to cut anything out .. TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg
Re: [WSG] Have stared too long
Doesn't look like it, as Mozilla is taking over a whole chunk of the browser market, however, there will always be a large population on Netscape as the university/college systems are still in Netscape, some as far back as 4.x. Still, I would like to get this one to function but am stuck to get it where I want it :( ~Veine At 10:34 AM 6/17/2004 +1200, you wrote: I wouldnt bother with Netscape 7.1 Valdiation. Rebuild your site somewhat so it works in Opera IE Mozilla 1.6+ Netscape hasnt got long left till it passes on. Camz. www.t94xr.net.nz - Original Message - From: Veine K Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [WSG] Have stared too long and I am probably missing something really simple; This is the page in question: http://nrotc.mainemaritime.edu/goals.html (css in separate file) This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict and before jigsaw went down, the CSS was having no errors as well. It also passes as Section 508 (which are the goals for the site) The page looks kind of intended in Netscape 7.1, but no where else (IE, Opera etc) My main problem is the blasted unordered list where the bullets disappear in IE, and the picture going off to the left in Opera. Any help would is appreciated as I have spent the last 5 hours trying to get this one to work. Disclaimer: the css file is huge and probably have a lot of extras that needs to be taken out, but as long as I can't get it to work as intended I am not prone to cut anything out .. TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg Veine K Vikberg
Re: [WSG] Have stared too long
Actually, I switched the layout around so the picture is not floated right instead of left. And as for the ul I added it on the p declaration within that div, to no avail. A friend pointed out that IE has a problem with the bullets, as they are treated as images, and got left aligned as well as the image, and 'hidden' under the image and not wrapping decently. I do not know why IE is doing this, another bug to add to the list I guess. As for the Safari, I could use a ss of that if you can make me one, as I have no clue to how much etc. TIA Regards ~Veine At 11:05 AM 6/17/2004 +1000, you wrote: On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 06:36 AM, Veine K Vikberg wrote: My main problem is the blasted unordered list where the bullets disappear in IE, and the picture going off to the left in Opera. I don't see any css declaration at all for the ul; add one and you can control bullet position. For the image, declare a width for the float in your css. Also, I looked at the page in Safari; you need to address some whitespace issues as well. The buttons in your #navbox are wrapping to a second line. Nick Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] RE: You have subscribed to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
At 10:28 AM 4/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: Dear WSG, This group seems like a great group and will take advantage of the information that I learn through the digest and visiting your website. It is a great group indeed, helpful and friendly people from down under (literally) for us ;o) I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Same here, unless I get to Tasmania this summer, might go there for a conference so if it is good in time I might try to attend as it's not far away then, else I live just north of you, Maine, USA Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. Would be a cool thing, but probably somewhat hard to administer on a free basis, but you just never know Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] CSS problem
Hello; Can someone take a look at this page: http://vikberg.net/IAMU and suggest how I best separate the blue links from the white content area so it doesn't 'hog' the line? TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] CSS problem
Thank you, appreciated :o) However, no solution to my original problem, I think the box not expanding is just an oversight on my part not to use clearing div's :o) *Note to self, check out Mac platform too! :o) ~Veine At 02:01 PM 4/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: Veine, Just wanted to let u know that in Mac OSX/IE 5.2 the body copy overflows the bottom blue footer bar... screenshot attached (I know it's small but I didn't want to hog everyone's email). later, Z Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
Ryan; Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if your reasoning is good enough ;o) However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time, and as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K modem under perfect conditions (not that it ever is but...) and that is what he wanted +2 seconds (he said under 10) with the graphics broken up, I am close to that ten second mark, but if there is something I do not know about image maps, please enlighten me. (I did the one located at http://www.mainemaritime.edu 3 years ago when wait was the norm so it was no concern) Regards ~Veine At 07:25 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that get sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just biased against them :) --Ryan http://www.theward.net Veine K Vikberg wrote: Hello; http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where there is some weird things going on. If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page through NS 7.1/XP Pro TIA Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
ROFLMAO! Veine, I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image maps is primarily accessibility. Have a look at this: http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign Brad; That is a great resource, I don't have any descriptions at all yet, for the sake of the concept/design first, all the search engine works comes in stage two, as well as Section 508 (I probably have to attach description tags to a few). This site is primarily for the 20/20 (or so) individuals, but in a few months(years) they will have to adhere to the Section 508/ADA act, so my thinking is to bring them there from the beginning. However, that is ONE strong argument against image maps indeed. I will put that one in my bookmarks for sure, thanks for a great resource Brad :o))) Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Is there *any* solution for this form?
Hello; The week has been long and long hours in codeland There has to be a solution for this one, however I can't think of it at all at the moment; http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign/ at the bottom the form to search the site... Any suggestions/fixes are welcome TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Flash Problem Mac check?
At 11:38 AM 1/28/2004 +1100, you wrote: Your Code: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=flash/mma.swf width=130 height=104 param name=movie value=mma.swf/param /object DOH! Thanks Solution: Note that the OBJECTDATA attribute: flash/mma.swf and the PARAMVALUE attribute mma.swf are different. Make them the same (which ever one happens to be the correct path) and it should work. Also note that this version of embedding Flash won't stream in IE, which is bad if the movie is large (not in your case though). Thanks for that too, I had problems with that once before, I am a newbie at flash and most clients wants very little of it, and I will probably have more questions about how to make it compliant in the future. Anyone with a recent Mac out there that can take a look at it, I have the verdict from a iMac OS8.6 IE 5.1, am wondering how badly OSX/Safari is mangling it ;o) Again the url is: http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign/index.html Thanks again Bradley :o) Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hello Chris;
At 04:28 AM 12/3/2003 +1100, you wrote:
I have
noticed that the scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS
material
For example:
Body
{
background-color: #EE;
scrollbar-base-color: #808080;
scrollbar-arrow-color: #808080;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #008000;
scrollbar-face-color: #808080;
scrollbar-highlight-color: #FF;
scrollbar-shadow-color: #FF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color: #808080;
}
That is claimed to be correct CSS, and it
works in Internet Explorer but when you use the W3C CSS Validator,
it comes up saying that the scrollbar-base-color etc are not
functions. I don t know why its not real CSS because it seems to work, I
am curious if it works in other browsers other that IE, I cannot test
that s why I am posting this here
It is only valid in Internet Explorer and is a proprietary use of CSS and
afaik never even be considered to be included into css, as it's not
really about how the page itself displays, but rather dabbling with the
values of the user defined browser settings.
I would not use them, as the code, as you know already can't validate,
and secondly it's for IE only.
HTH
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
