[Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers
It was not Barbara's features I was highlighting (please don't take that the wrong way), just the fact that generally designing a web site for a majority, inherently means you are discriminating against a minority. Minorities rule in a court of law. Please visit the PPA Website at: www.ppa.org.uk Rob O'NeillWeb Team ManagerPrescription Pricing AuthorityBridge House152 Pilgrim StreetNewcastle Upon TyneNE1 6SN email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (0191) 203 5483ext: 5483 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/04 03:53pm In this particular case though, I'm assuming the styling that Barbara is after is only an "extra" feature, some eye candy, and that the printouts still make sense on browsers that don't support print styles...so, as well meant as the warning was, let's not lose sight of the real issues. If I say "our site is designed to look nice in browsers that support standards-compliant code", for instance, I'm not discriminating against users of old/alternate browsers as long as it degrades gracefully and still makes sense without the styles... Of course, if Barbara was hoping to put essential information in purely CSS generated headers/footers, which would not appear in browsers which don't support print styles, then yes, your point is valid... P -Original Message- From: Robert O'Neill [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 April 2004 15:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] print headers/footers Just a quick note to all UK designers out there (can't speak for other countries), if you design with 'most of our visitors' in mind be afraid, very afraid. A printed page with headers and footers stating Disabilities Discrimination Act 1995 could be heading your way soon. Unless your designing an Intranet or a network site that is not available to the public, design your site with everybody in mind, regardless of what your user reports tell you. One of the main reasons for standards is accessibility to all. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * *** IMPORTANT NOTICE *** *** PPA DISCLAIMER*** This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies subsequently transmitted (which may contain alterations), contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. The content of this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the person authorised as responsible for delivery to the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this e-mail or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Network Team at the Prescription Pricing Authority via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including a copy of this message. Please then delete this e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Further, we make every effort to keep our network free from viruses. However, you do need to validate this e-mail and any attachments to it for viruses, as we can take no responsibility for any computer virus that might be transferred by way of this e-mail. This e-mail is from the Prescription Pricing Authority whose principal office is at Bridge House, 152 Pilgrim Street, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 6SN. Switchboard Telephone Number :- +44 (0)191 232 5371
RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers
However, if it comes to court, the case will - in my mind anyway - have to be made about specific features that are or aren't discriminating, and not (just) general principles. As I said - and I don't think we're disagreeing here, just want to spell it out - you *can* design for the majority, as long as you ensure that your design degrades gracefully and meaningfully for the minorities. Otherwise, you just end up design to the lowest of the lowest common denominators, and we may as well just do unstyled html 2.0 or something. P Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Original Message- From: Robert O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 April 2004 16:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers It was not Barbara's features I was highlighting (please don't take that the wrong way), just the fact that generally designing a web site for a majority, inherently means you are discriminating against a minority. Minorities rule in a court of law. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers
Doh! article URL http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=129919liFlavourID=1 I think we will have to wait for some decent case law before we fully realise how this will effect web designers. A recent article in computer weekly 'Ignoring disabled web access will lead to legal action, warns DRC' illustrates that this might not be too far away.. Please visit the PPA Website at: www.ppa.org.uk Rob O'NeillWeb Team ManagerPrescription Pricing AuthorityBridge House152 Pilgrim StreetNewcastle Upon TyneNE1 6SN email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (0191) 203 5483ext: 5483 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/04 04:35pm However, if it comes to court, the case will - in my mind anyway - have to be made about specific features that are or aren't discriminating, and not (just) general principles. As I said - and I don't think we're disagreeing here, just want to spell it out - you *can* design for the majority, as long as you ensure that your design degrades gracefully and meaningfully for the minorities. Otherwise, you just end up design to the lowest of the lowest common denominators, and we may as well just do unstyled html 2.0 or something.PPatrick H. LaukeWebmaster / University of Salfordhttp://www.salford.ac.uk Original Message- From: Robert O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 April 2004 16:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers It was not Barbara's features I was highlighting (please don't take that the wrong way), just the fact that generally designing a web site for a majority, inherently means you are discriminating against a minority. Minorities rule in a court of law.*The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help* *** IMPORTANT NOTICE *** *** PPA DISCLAIMER*** This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies subsequently transmitted (which may contain alterations), contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. The content of this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the person authorised as responsible for delivery to the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this e-mail or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Network Team at the Prescription Pricing Authority via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including a copy of this message. Please then delete this e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Further, we make every effort to keep our network free from viruses. However, you do need to validate this e-mail and any attachments to it for viruses, as we can take no responsibility for any computer virus that might be transferred by way of this e-mail. This e-mail is from the Prescription Pricing Authority whose principal office is at Bridge House, 152 Pilgrim Street, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 6SN. Switchboard Telephone Number :- +44 (0)191 232 5371
