Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
C. b class=logo On 12/2/08 9:55 AM, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
if the intention is give emphasis to this word use em or if is to give stronger emphasis use strong 2008/2/12, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The branding might change. I'm in favour of span with a class, like: span class=logo. - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? I'd use span, b is deprecated Actually it's not deprecated, not in HTML 4, 5 or XHTML 1. If ever there was a case for the use the 'b' element, this might be a good one. --- Strong is important so, as Rachel stated, it isn't appropriate. A span is fine as others have pointed out, but the b element might also be a sound choice in this case. The b element is a highlight of sorts. That is its semantic value, its role as an element in a web document. From HTML 5: blockquote The b element represents a span of text to be stylistically offset from the normal prose without conveying any extra importance, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, or other spans of text whose typical typographic presentation is boldened. /blockquote It is bold without the importance, at least that is its default rendering. Remember, just because it is bold might not necessarily mean that it is a style. All elements have a default rendering. Strong is bold and so are headings. They all have a role, and we don't think of those as a style. A better way to answer the original question might be to ask: Do you want the value retained in the mark-up, or is it purely a style that painted onto the presentational layer? Or, worded another way, should the boldened treatment exist without styles? If it should, then the b might be best. Otherwise I heartily agreee that the span element should be used. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
I'd use span and a class, then if they change their mind or want it red-green etc is easy to change Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: [WSG] Decorative bolding Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? Thanks, Rachel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
Rachel May wrote: Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? span -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? I'd use span, b is deprecated Actually it's not deprecated, not in HTML 4, 5 or XHTML 1. If ever there was a case for the use the 'b' element, this might be a good one. --- Strong is important so, as Rachel stated, it isn't appropriate. A span is fine as others have pointed out, but the b element might also be a sound choice in this case. The b element is a highlight of sorts. That is its semantic value, its role as an element in a web document. From HTML 5: blockquote The b element represents a span of text to be stylistically offset from the normal prose without conveying any extra importance, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, or other spans of text whose typical typographic presentation is boldened. /blockquote It is bold without the importance, at least that is its default rendering. Remember, just because it is bold might not necessarily mean that it is a style. All elements have a default rendering. Strong is bold and so are headings. They all have a role, and we don't think of those as a style. A better way to answer the original question might be to ask: Do you want the value retained in the mark-up, or is it purely a style that painted onto the presentational layer? Or, worded another way, should the boldened treatment exist without styles? If it should, then the b might be best. Otherwise I heartily agreee that the span element should be used. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
Rachel, We (Red Square) have the same issue with oneworld Alliance (oneworld.com) . The 'one' is made bold using a span and a class. The CMS was modified to allow this to be applied automatically to ensure consistency of use throughout the site. Regards, Steve On 12/02/2008, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? Thanks, Rachel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -- Steve 'Doc' Baty B.Sc (Maths), M.EC, MBA Principal Consultant Meld Consulting M: +61 417 061 292 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UX Statistics: http://uxstats.blogspot.com Member, UPA - www.upassoc.org Member, IxDA - www.ixda.org Contributor - UXMatters - www.uxmatters.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
The branding might change. I'm in favour of span with a class, like: span class=logo. - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? I'd use span, b is deprecated Actually it's not deprecated, not in HTML 4, 5 or XHTML 1. If ever there was a case for the use the 'b' element, this might be a good one. --- Strong is important so, as Rachel stated, it isn't appropriate. A span is fine as others have pointed out, but the b element might also be a sound choice in this case. The b element is a highlight of sorts. That is its semantic value, its role as an element in a web document. From HTML 5: blockquote The b element represents a span of text to be stylistically offset from the normal prose without conveying any extra importance, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, or other spans of text whose typical typographic presentation is boldened. /blockquote It is bold without the importance, at least that is its default rendering. Remember, just because it is bold might not necessarily mean that it is a style. All elements have a default rendering. Strong is bold and so are headings. They all have a role, and we don't think of those as a style. A better way to answer the original question might be to ask: Do you want the value retained in the mark-up, or is it purely a style that painted onto the presentational layer? Or, worded another way, should the boldened treatment exist without styles? If it should, then the b might be best. Otherwise I heartily agreee that the span element should be used. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
I'd use span, b is deprecated 2008/2/12, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? Thanks, Rachel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Decorative bolding
Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? Thanks, Rachel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
