Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. As is usually the case, the bare markup really guides things - ie. be careful of solutions using span + CSS to generate lines, since that disappears without CSS. Generally, p with br / is best where the lines are important but there's no special whitespace (the majority of poetry). It's one of the extremely rare situations where br / really is a part of the content. For unusual whitespace pre is generally the best solution. Then style accordingly. cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Markup for Poetry?
Hello, I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. Thanks in advance! Jeremy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
On 3/30/07, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? Poetry is one of the few times when it's semantically correct to use br, IMO. For example, something like this could be okay: h1Dulce Et Decorum Est/h1 blockquote pBent double, like old beggars under sacks,br Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,br Till on the haunting flares we turned our backsbr And towards our distant rest began to trudge.br Men marched asleep. Many had lost their bootsbr But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;br Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hootsbr Of disappointed shells that dropped behind./p pGAS! Gas! Quick, boys!#8212; An ecstasy of fumbling,br Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;br But someone still was yelling out and stumblingbr And floundering like a man in fire or lime.#8212;br Dim, through the misty panes and thick green lightbr As under a green sea, I saw him drowning./p pIn all my dreams, before my helpless sight,br He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning./p pIf in some smothering dreams you too could pacebr Behind the wagon that we flung him in,br And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,br His hanging face, like a devil#8217;s sick of sin;br If you could hear, at every jolt, the bloodbr Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,br Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cudbr Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,#8212;br My friend, you would not tell with such high zestbr To children ardent for some desperate glory,br The old Lie: Dulce et decorum estbr Pro patria mori./p p citeWilfred Owen/cite /p /blockquote -- Australian Web Designer - http://www.blakehaswell.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. If the visual formatting of the poem is important to you (say, visual poems that have extra whitespace a the beginning or middle of lines) then you will probably need to use the pre tag. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. If the visual formatting of the poem is important to you (say, visual poems that have extra whitespace a the beginning or middle of lines) then you will probably need to use the pre tag. Hi Jeremy, I was going to ask this question last week :), but decided to do a google search first... and ended in this article by Molly E. Holzschlag. http://www.molly.com/2005/04/29/p-vs-pre/ No conclusive answer there however I decided to go with one of the comment left. divbr/ br/ /div Thanks for asking the question! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
Jeremy Boggs wrote: Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I don't know of a set of guidelines for simple markup of poetry in X/HTML, but you can find some discussions about it as well as some more involved methods of marking up such texts through the Text Encoding Initiative (TEI): http://www.tei-c.org/ TEI uses SGML markup, which theoretically could then be run through a parser to produce whatever flavour of X/HTML one wanted. But because it requires its own DTD or a server-side XSLT/translator of some sort, it is probably not what you are looking for. If you are really interested in poetry markup however, they have done some fairly extensive thinking about it. For e.g., check out A Gentle Introduction to SGML: http://xml.coverpages.org/gentle.html or TEI - 4 Encoding the Body - 4.3. Prose, Verse and Drama: http://www.tei-c.org/Lite/U5-body.html#vedr In actual practice, if you are just encoding a couple poems, then I think that the simple use of either pre or p + br as suggested by others makes more sense. Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
Tee G. Peng wrote: On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. If the visual formatting of the poem is important to you (say, visual poems that have extra whitespace a the beginning or middle of lines) then you will probably need to use the pre tag. Hi Jeremy, I was going to ask this question last week :), but decided to do a google search first... and ended in this article by Molly E. Holzschlag. http://www.molly.com/2005/04/29/p-vs-pre/ No conclusive answer there however I decided to go with one of the comment left. divbr/ br/ /div Thanks for asking the question! ditto, some time ago, I came across the poems of Du Fu... see http://www.chinese-poems.com/due.html Also check out http://www.sonnets.org/shakespeare.htm#018 which uses dt - which I don't recognise. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/linux Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:50:09 -0400, Jeremy Boggs wrote: Hello, I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. Does this help? - http://webtypography.net/Rhythm_and_Proportion/Blocks_and_Paragraphs/2.3.4/ Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
On 3/30/07, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help folks on the list, I could that and post the links. We discussed this sometime back in 2004, and I've got a bit of an overview of everything that happened here: http://josh.st/blog/2004/10/24/the-indentation-problem My preferred solution to come out of it was: p class=stanza spanLine 1br / Line 2/span spanLine 3br / Line 4/span /p There are a range of other possibilities listed on that page, also. In most real-world practice, most websites use non-breaking spaces extensively. This is, obviously, less than ideal in terms of unbloated semantic markup! -- Joshua Street http://josh.st/blog/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?
Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? If you're simply looking for line breaks where they belong, use br/ [1]. If you're including poems where whitespace plays a bigger role[2], use pre. [1] until xhtml2, with its l element (which i reallly hope gets renamed) [2] e.e cummings, dylan thomas, etc. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
