Re: [WSG] Re: [WD]: How Do I Learn to do Website Design?

2005-01-19 Thread David R
Bruce wrote:
I was just at dreamweaver website. Templates. No doctype, tables, 
imagemaps and javascript. God forbid. Randomly choosing four of them and 
viewing source showed me quite enough. Lets go backwards??? Font face 
font size the whole works of what we are trying to get rid of. Someone 
new would be wasting their time using on of these, and would learn 
nothing that wouldn't have to be unlearned.
Those sites arn't targetting pro-standards people (well obviously), but 
neither anyone remotely interested in HTML.

The typical consumer of templates is your off-the-shelf web-hosting 
provider and your common-or-garden CounterStrike clan.

The former do tend to be better designed and coded, however.
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[WSG] Re: [WD]: How Do I Learn to do Website Design?

2005-01-19 Thread Bruce
I was just at dreamweaver website. Templates. No doctype, tables, 
imagemaps and javascript. God forbid. Randomly choosing four of them and 
viewing source showed me quite enough. Lets go backwards??? Font face 
font size the whole works of what we are trying to get rid of. Someone 
new would be wasting their time using on of these, and would learn 
nothing that wouldn't have to be unlearned.

Learn the basics maually. Always always always
Bruce Prochnau
www.bkdesign.ca
Joy Bower wrote:

 > Get a copy of Dreamweaver or GoLive (I use Dreamweaver).
I disagree. Either of these programs is a lot of $ for someone just 
starting out, not to mention pretty complex with a lot of stuff a 
beginner doesn't need. There are a number of HTML programs that are 
low or no cost you can try.
At the start, what you want to do is look at the code and find out 
what each tag does. I did this by getting a cheap wysiwyg html editor 
and the putting stuff in - look at the code and look at the page on 
line - take it out or change it, see what happens.
Once you have a good understanding of what each tag does, you can 
move on to a more complex editor as needed.

That's a good way to do it, too. But for someone who is a print 
designe and must have been using a page layout program like Quark or 
InDesign, the interface of DW or GL is recognizable. Also, they work 
on a visual design metaphor as opposed to a programming metaphor. In 
my experience, getting the tools that work best for your particular 
needs will offset the initial cost. Then later, when she's got some 
sites under her belt, she can tackle the programming head on. I'm not 
saying this WILL work best for her, not knowing her personally. But, 
as a print designer turned web designer, I think this option MAY work 
very well for her. So, no argument with your suggestion. Just another 
option for her to choose from.

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