[WSG] Standards and Blogs
Hi; Does anyone have any views regarding the best blogging tool (server- side, not hosted) from a web-standards perspective? I'm looking at setting up a business blog at the moment and although I'm wading through 'Blog Design Solutions' by Andy Budd et al I'm still not certain which one to settle on -- Movable Type, Experession Engine and Wordpress all have their pros and cons, but I'd like the blog pages to be as standards- friendly as possible (I assume that they are never going to be completely so on account of the blog-specific template tags and such). If one has never gone down the blog route before it's all a bit daunting and techno-befuddling, so any advice is welcome. Many thanks as always. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:01:32 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; Does anyone have any views regarding the best blogging tool (server- side, not hosted) from a web-standards perspective? I'm looking at setting up a business blog at the moment and although I'm wading through 'Blog Design Solutions' by Andy Budd et al I'm still not certain which one to settle on -- Movable Type, Experession Engine and Wordpress all have their pros and cons, but I'd like the blog pages to be as standards- friendly as possible (I assume that they are never going to be completely so on account of the blog-specific template tags and such). If one has never gone down the blog route before it's all a bit daunting and techno-befuddling, so any advice is welcome. Many thanks as always. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
On 13/8/07 (11:57) John said: I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. That's good to know John, thanks. I was concerned that the blogging scripts might be churning out hideous (X)HTML that makes us all bleed from the ears. I was also originally working on the assumption that no blog page will validate on account of the template tags, but then it occurred to me that the tags get replaced with regular text in the actual served page, so there should be no problem. Is that correct? (As you can tell, I'm starting to get mildly out of my regular territory here...) -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
Rick, Yes, you can make a Wordpress, Expression Engine, Textpattern, MovableType, etc. blog COMPLETELY validate. Example: http://www.christianmontoya.com/ You can even make a Wordpress blog (and probably the others) output valid HTML 4 instead of XHTML. Tutorial: http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/02/13/serve-your-weblog-as-html-401/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
Most HTML tags get written into your template by you. There's only a few functions I can think of that output tags as well as a content and most of the time, it's perfectly valid HTML. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:24:36 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/8/07 (11:57) John said: I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. That's good to know John, thanks. I was concerned that the blogging scripts might be churning out hideous (X)HTML that makes us all bleed from the ears. I was also originally working on the assumption that no blog page will validate on account of the template tags, but then it occurred to me that the tags get replaced with regular text in the actual served page, so there should be no problem. Is that correct? (As you can tell, I'm starting to get mildly out of my regular territory here...) -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
On 13/8/07 (13:01) Christian said:
You can even make a Wordpress blog (and probably the others) output
valid HTML 4 instead of XHTML. Tutorial:
http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/02/13/serve-your-weblog-as-html-401/
That's a really useful tutorial Christian, thanks.
One question though: On your tutorial page, you appear to put some PHP
code above the doctype in order to remove any instance of self-closing
tags. Specifically:
That's all you need. The full header looks like this:
?php
function fix_code($buffer) {
return (str_replace( /, , $buffer));
}
ob_start(fix_code);
?
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;
html lang=en
Does this not throw Explorer into quirks mode? I was under the
impression that anything (other than whitespace, maybe) before the
doctype had this effect.
Is PHP code an exception to this rule? or am I way off base here?
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Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
Rick, PHP shouldn't affect IE at all because it gets calculated on
the server, so by the time the page gets to the browser, it's 100%
HTML/XHTML/whatever - no PHP is seen on the client-side at all.
Cheers,
C
Caitlin Rowley, B. Mus. (Hons), Gr. Dip. Design
Composer, musicologist, web designer
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On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:16, Rick Lecoat wrote:
On 13/8/07 (13:01) Christian said:
You can even make a Wordpress blog (and probably the others) output
valid HTML 4 instead of XHTML. Tutorial:
http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/02/13/serve-your-weblog-as-
html-401/
That's a really useful tutorial Christian, thanks.
One question though: On your tutorial page, you appear to put some PHP
code above the doctype in order to remove any instance of self-closing
tags. Specifically:
That's all you need. The full header looks like this:
?php
function fix_code($buffer) {
return (str_replace( /, , $buffer));
}
ob_start(fix_code);
?
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;
html lang=en
Does this not throw Explorer into quirks mode? I was under the
impression that anything (other than whitespace, maybe) before the
doctype had this effect.
Is PHP code an exception to this rule? or am I way off base here?
--
Rick Lecoat
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Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
... One question though: On your tutorial page, you appear to put some PHP code above the doctype in order to remove any instance of self-closing tags. Specifically: ... Does this not throw Explorer into quirks mode? I was under the impression that anything (other than whitespace, maybe) before the doctype had this effect. Is PHP code an exception to this rule? or am I way off base here? Yes, because to throw IE into quirks mode you have something in HTML before the doctype. PHP code is processed on the server and browser does not see it, only the output. So, if it does not output anything you will be fine. One should be careful, though and watch for newlines and whitespace. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
On 13/8/07 (15:27) minim said: Rick, PHP shouldn't affect IE at all because it gets calculated on the server, so by the time the page gets to the browser, it's 100% HTML/XHTML/whatever - no PHP is seen on the client-side at all. Cheers, C A ha. Good to know. Thanks. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
