Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Hi Roberto Take a look at W3C tips Care With Font Size http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size Salu2 Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
thanks, very interesting article. Regards, R. Santana alejandro poch escribió: Hi Roberto Take a look at W3C tips Care With Font Size http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size Salu2 Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** htank ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Use em or %. Em is probably the best, but since IE6 has font-size:large as the default, using font-size:1em for the body makes stuff look big in IE. I usually use %'s. These work well, like the em, but it compensates for IE's larger-than-normal font size. --ZacharyOn 2/2/06, Roberto Santana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, very interesting article.Regards,R. Santanaalejandro poch escribió: Hi Roberto Take a look at W3C tips Care With Font Size http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size Salu2 Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **htank**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- ==The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net
RE: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Pixels per inch (PPI) That's what I like about standards. The rest of the world uses the Metric system, yet we are stuck with these archaic units because the U.S. refuses to get with the program. How's that for a 'moral high horse'? ;) cheers, Geoff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of liorean Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 8:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size? On 01/02/06, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: My personal preference has always been pt. I've looked at many professional source codes and alot of them uses px or % to measure size of items (divs, img, etc), em for positioning, and pt for font sizes. pt is for PRINT media, not screen. Wrong. Points are for all devices that operate at different ppi* than 96. Points have a locked points per logical inch resolution of 72. Pixels vary depending on ppi. So, if a medium has 96 ppi then a 12pt text will be rendered as 12*96/72=16px. If a medium has 120 ppi, then the same 12pt text will be rendered as 12*120/72=20px. If a device has 300 ppi, the 12pt text will be rendered as 12*300/72=50px. And the reverse is also true. That means that 16px text on a 96 ppi medium will be rendered the same size as 16*72/96=12pt. If a medium has 120 ppi, 16px text will be rendered as 16*72/120=9.6pt, and if a medium has 300 ppi the 16px text will be rendered as 16*72/300=3.84pt. ...except for the fact that the CSS reference pixel is defined at about 1/96 inch and not the actual medium pixels, so a smart renderer that knows about it's medium's ppi might scale it and thus make sure that 16px=12pt is always true. That knowledge or it's implementation for that matter is not guaranteed, however. * Pixels per logical inch, which is about equivalent to dots per physical inch as is used in print media. Default in Windows is 96 (Windows even calls it DPI), or 120 for large size. -- David liorean Andersson uri:http://liorean.web-graphics.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Better is like beauty-- it's in the eye of the beholder. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingFontSize ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
My personal preference has always been pt. I've looked at many professional source codes and alot of them uses px or % to measure size of items (divs, img, etc), em for positioning, and pt for font sizes.Minh"Joseph R. B. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my understanding that "em" is the very best way as it'll work with the user's preferred text size. "px" obviously gives you the most control as the designer, but doesn't scale in IE when the user changes their text size.There are other existing issues, but that pretty much covers it.I myself use both depending on the situation. I've never used a "%" measurement.Hopefully that helps.Joseph R. B. TaylorSites by Joe, LLChttp://sitesbyjoe.com(609)335-3076[EMAIL PROTECTED]Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Minh D. Tran wrote: My personal preference has always been pt. I've looked at many professional source codes and alot of them uses px or % to measure size of items (divs, img, etc), em for positioning, and pt for font sizes. Minh pt is for PRINT media, not screen. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
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html { font-size:100.01%; }
body { font-size: 1em; } // this is a bug fix for
browser compatibility
Why do you need this? I don't use font-size hacks in
my CSS yet my fonts look exactly the same in all
browsers.
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Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
On 2/1/06, Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
html { font-size:100.01%; }
body { font-size: 1em; } // this is a bug fix for
browser compatibility
Why do you need this? I don't use font-size hacks in
my CSS yet my fonts look exactly the same in all
browsers.
First of all, it's not a hack. Second of all, you haven't seen the
browsers that really do need this. It covers a lot of issues such as
various DPI and rendering errors and such. Read:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=InternetExplorerWinBugs
... first item on the list.
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Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
On 01/02/06, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: My personal preference has always been pt. I've looked at many professional source codes and alot of them uses px or % to measure size of items (divs, img, etc), em for positioning, and pt for font sizes. pt is for PRINT media, not screen. Wrong. Points are for all devices that operate at different ppi* than 96. Points have a locked points per logical inch resolution of 72. Pixels vary depending on ppi. So, if a medium has 96 ppi then a 12pt text will be rendered as 12*96/72=16px. If a medium has 120 ppi, then the same 12pt text will be rendered as 12*120/72=20px. If a device has 300 ppi, the 12pt text will be rendered as 12*300/72=50px. And the reverse is also true. That means that 16px text on a 96 ppi medium will be rendered the same size as 16*72/96=12pt. If a medium has 120 ppi, 16px text will be rendered as 16*72/120=9.6pt, and if a medium has 300 ppi the 16px text will be rendered as 16*72/300=3.84pt. ...except for the fact that the CSS reference pixel is defined at about 1/96 inch and not the actual medium pixels, so a smart renderer that knows about it's medium's ppi might scale it and thus make sure that 16px=12pt is always true. That knowledge or it's implementation for that matter is not guaranteed, however. * Pixels per logical inch, which is about equivalent to dots per physical inch as is used in print media. Default in Windows is 96 (Windows even calls it DPI), or 120 for large size. -- David liorean Andersson uri:http://liorean.web-graphics.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:13:13 -0500: px obviously gives you the most control as the designer, The control is illusory as to users with modern browsers, since they have the power to zoom and set a minimum font size, in addition to the power to disregard your styles entirely, and veto power to apply very specific overruling styles. but doesn't scale in IE when the user changes their text size. This is true, but it understates the problem. The problem is that px sizes bear no relationship to user defaults. Users are free to set defaults to whatever size best suits, which sizes in px totally disregard. -- Love your neighbor as yourself.Mark 12:31 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Christian Montoya wrote Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:10:40 -0500: For the record, most browsers default text size is 16px = 1em = 100%. That's most, not all. While as a practical matter this is true, technically it isn't true. Some browsers have a default size in px, but others, including all versions of IE, have a default size in pt. IE's default is 12pt. 12pt means 16px only when the working DPI is 96. 96 DPI has historically been the windoze default, which is how one gets away with claiming it defaults to 16px. The problem is that the default 96 DPI isn't any longer so easy to presume. Laptop sales have for a while outnumbered desktop sales, and many higher resolution laptops are configured by their manufacturers to 120 DPI by default. 12pt @ 120 DPI is 20px. Just as with default font size, doze users are free to configure to other DPI values. This is how it has always been with Linux, where 96 DPI is clearly an exception rather than a rule. In most cases Linux's DPI is less than 96 if accurately set. OTOH, DPI values in excess of 120 are no longer ususual either, and are set to average quite a bit higher before long if the promise of $100 laptops for children materializes. http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm So, counting on the ubiquity of a 16px default is considerably less safe than it used to be. For those interested in DPI derivation without a calculator, visit: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/dpi.html -- Love your neighbor as yourself.Mark 12:31 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
