RE: [WSG] accessibility feedback
Great comments Mordechai It's easy to miss some of these elements, such as title tags. I like using the web development bar by Chris Pederick http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ in Mozilla. I use the outline links without titles, images without alt, titles, etc functions. Unfortunately, for your web site, the outline colors the web developing bar uses get lost in your site colors. So, I also used the tool bar to disable your page colors and could easily see the title tags that Mordechai mentions. It will also give you the links to wai validations. Does that sound like too much of a commercial? One of these days, I'll meet Chris and he will say, you must be the guy that keeps sending people to my web site and crashing my server... Ted -Original Message-From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility feedbackAndreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Tough critics? OK, here goes...Same problem with logo as others mentioned, but at least it has alt text.No link to skip to the main contents.Links are missing title tag.Links in left column are indistinguishable from rest of text. (The same could be said about the nav bar, but the context make it obvious.)In the upper right, the links and the background fail the W3C's Color Difference Formula. (Brightness is OK, though.)There are problem when text is scaled. While the text is scalable in IE (which is very good), doing so in either IE or Firefox causes major problems. IE6 Firefox Upper right form All but a thin sliver of login button is covered by nav bar. Same thing happens to button. Links require horz. scrolling to be seen. Left column Location and Industry selects cover portion of main text. Keywords ducks under contents area. Location and Industry loose their down arrow. In all three drop downs, the text extends past bottom edge of box. Keywords has same problem as IE. Some of letters get chopped off. Navigation bar Links on right are pushed together. Height of bar doesn't change to fit letters. "Traineeships" starts to get cut off while letters are still small.
Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys,I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we havecreated: http://www.jet.org.au.We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than anyBobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We arestill working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Nice layout Login box perfectly placed - rendering time is of very good standards ( im on a 28k connection ha! fkd 56k modem) Would be good if there was a different random quote from a different profession, different image and quote with "" and a name giving a bit of their story on how they got the job thru your website. Gives the impression that you've actually reached those numbers you claim to have. The general site design is well highly perfected, the designer has alot of talent. Camz
Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Tough critics? OK, here goes... Same problem with logo as others mentioned, but at least it has alt text. No link to skip to the main contents. Links are missing title tag. Links in left column are indistinguishable from rest of text. (The same could be said about the nav bar, but the context make it obvious.) In the upper right, the links and the background fail the W3C's Color Difference Formula. (Brightness is OK, though.) There are problem when text is scaled. While the text is scalable in IE (which is very good), doing so in either IE or Firefox causes major problems. IE6 Firefox Upper right form All but a thin sliver of login button is covered by nav bar. Same thing happens to button. Links require horz. scrolling to be seen. Left column Location and Industry selects cover portion of main text. Keywords ducks under contents area. Location and Industry loose their down arrow. In all three drop downs, the text extends past bottom edge of box. Keywords has same problem as IE. Some of letters get chopped off. Navigation bar Links on right are pushed together. Height of bar doesn't change to fit letters. "Traineeships" starts to get cut off while letters are still small.
RE: [WSG] accessibility feedback
> > I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website > > we have > > created: http://www.jet.org.au. > From a quick glance, without looking at any code or styles... > - the small type in the logo is virtually impossible to read (1280x1024 > 17" flat panel)... either you want people to read the text (so make it > bigger), or you don't (so get rid of it). I know it's not a TRUE > accessibility issue, but since there are validators for those (which > you should use), I don't need to go into all that here :) Yeah, I know. Unfortunately that was one little thing we didn't have control over. We advised the client strongly against using that tiny font, but there was nothing to do about it. > - some of the font sizes (especially in the left navigation bar) are > pretty small (around 9px I guess?) in Safari -- whilst I haven't > bothered to see how you've styled them, it's certainly something to > watch out for across all browsers with a default font set small-ish. True, good point. I should have a look into that next and fix it on those browsers (in particular the Mac ones). Thanks for the feedback! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback
quite good in terms of speedy loading http://www.websiteoptimization.com/cgi-bin/wso/wso.pl?url=http%3A//www.jet.org.au/phpFiles/index.php However the CSS http://www.jet.org.au/css/JET.css could be optimised a lot eg: background-color:#fff; background-image:url(../images/orange_left.gif); background-attachment:fixed; background-position:left; background-repeat:repeat-y; can become background:#fff url(../images/orange_left.gif) repeat-y fixed left; -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Cheers, Andreas. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback
On 01/06/2004, at 11:26 AM, Andreas Boehmer wrote: I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! From a quick glance, without looking at any code or styles... - the small type in the logo is virtually impossible to read (1280x1024 17" flat panel)... either you want people to read the text (so make it bigger), or you don't (so get rid of it). I know it's not a TRUE accessibility issue, but since there are validators for those (which you should use), I don't need to go into all that here :) - Link colours in the breadcrumbs, and on the homepage (for starters, eg "Login Now!") don't have a visited link state -- I bet there are a lot more examples all over the site. - some of the font sizes (especially in the left navigation bar) are pretty small (around 9px I guess?) in Safari -- whilst I haven't bothered to see how you've styled them, it's certainly something to watch out for across all browsers with a default font set small-ish. These comments shouldn't detract from what is looking like quite a nice site. In other words, you're getting there for sure! --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] accessibility feedback
Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Cheers, Andreas. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
