RE: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-19 Thread Jason Turnbull 
> Christian Montoya 
> I told you, you are the author, as in, the markup-writer author... for
> every page you work on, the only person that can go in the address tag
> is you... or the webmaster running the site.

I would disagree, for example when a book goes to print, does the printing
house become the author as they put the ink to paper? 

While yes the web is different from print I see it in the same context, the
author is whoever provided the content. A majority of the public only ever
see the content displayed, and if they need to contact someone concerning
the document content, providing a means of contacting the coder is
meaningless. So if in there future is possible to extract the documents
author from the address tag, I would think providing contact information
about the author of the document would have more meaning.

Regards
Jason


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RE: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-19 Thread Paul Hempsall 
I found an interesting blog entry on Yesterdayishere (Bojan Janjanin). It 
discusses the use of this element.

http://yesterdayishere.com/wordpress/arhiva/2005/11/29/the-address-element/

Might prove helpful.

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Paul Hempsall
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On 2/19/06, Miika Mäkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christian, that's what I kinda thought. Still, what struct me on the 
> definition is "or a major part of a document such as a form".
>
> Now what is the major part of a document that lists contact 
> information for one or multiple businesses? These documents are used 
> to contact the listings, not the author. Also, who is the author if we 
> are just publishing listings provided (or "authored") by the 
> businesses?

I told you, you are the author, as in, the markup-writer author... for every 
page you work on, the only person that can go in the address tag is you... or 
the webmaster running the site.

> About appearing once, would you think it is correct to use it on a 
> page that represents a single listing? For example 
> http://yellowpages-cambodia.com/media/publishers-graphic-designers-pre
> press-etc/iq-design-13728.html

No, it's still not okay for that.

> Still not too convinced... though might change it to hcard anyways.

That would be a good idea.

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Re: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-19 Thread Christian Montoya 
On 2/19/06, Miika Mäkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christian, that's what I kinda thought. Still, what struct me on the
> definition is "or a major part of a document such as a form".
>
> Now what is the major part of a document that lists contact information for
> one or multiple businesses? These documents are used to contact the
> listings, not the author. Also, who is the author if we are just publishing
> listings provided (or "authored") by the businesses?

I told you, you are the author, as in, the markup-writer author... for
every page you work on, the only person that can go in the address tag
is you... or the webmaster running the site.

> About appearing once, would you think it is correct to use it on a page that
> represents a single listing? For example
> http://yellowpages-cambodia.com/media/publishers-graphic-designers-prepress-etc/iq-design-13728.html

No, it's still not okay for that.

> Still not too convinced... though might change it to hcard anyways.

That would be a good idea.

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Re: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-19 Thread heretic 
Hi there,

> Dear WSG members, I'm a bit confused about the correct use for
> address-element.
> W3C documentation states that it should be used "to supply contact
> information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form.".
> Now as I'm working on phone (and address) directories, I am currently using
> the element to mark up addresses of all listings (no matter how many of the
> listings are on a page).
> What do you think? Is this correct usage or not?

Well the spec is not clear, but it seems the intention of the element
is to provide contact details for the page itself; rather than the
subject of the page. It's an odd element - extremely specific.

For contact details, you could use definition lists; a well-structured
table (depending on whether you feel a single-row/column table is
acceptable) or even just an unordered list. It depends on exactly what
you're providing.

If you do want to implement the hCard microformat, you will probably
find the tag nesting requirements don't work all that well with
definition lists unless you never have to "type" an entry. If you do
have type entries, it gets more difficult.

I did an hCard implementation recently and went with a mixture of
headings, paragraphs and unordered lists with strong tags. The other
contender was a series of single-entry definition lists, which I
wasn't quite so keen on at the time but I may swap it in future :)

Sorry, that drifted away from your question. Basically, going by the
spec as I've been led to understand it; no your usage of the address
element probably isn't "correct".

cheers

h

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Re: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-18 Thread Miika Mäkinen 
Christian, that's what I kinda thought. Still, what struct me on the definition is "or a major part of a document such as a form". Now what is the major part of a document that lists contact information for one or multiple businesses? These documents are used to contact the listings, not the author. Also, who is the author if we are just publishing listings provided (or "authored") by the businesses?
About appearing once, would you think it is correct to use it on a page that represents a single listing? For example 
http://yellowpages-cambodia.com/media/publishers-graphic-designers-prepress-etc/iq-design-13728.htmlStill not too convinced... though might change it to hcard anyways.Thanks,MiikaHeh. Sometimes I wish I never heard about semantic markup ;)
On 2/19/06, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/19/06, Miika Mäkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Dear WSG members, I'm a bit confused about the correct use for> address-element.>> W3C documentation states that it should be used "to supply contact
> information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form.".> Now as I'm working on phone (and address) directories, I am currently using> the element to mark up addresses of all listings (no matter how many of the
> listings are on a page).>> What do you think? Is this correct usage or not?Sorry, no it's not. Address is only for contact information for theauthor of the document (this would be you)... and it can only appear
once.I think you could look at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard for themicroformat approach, or some other list members can recommend variousoptions... definition lists might work well.
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Re: [WSG] Address Element

2006-02-18 Thread Christian Montoya 
On 2/19/06, Miika Mäkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear WSG members, I'm a bit confused about the correct use for
> address-element.
>
> W3C documentation states that it should be used "to supply contact
> information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form.".
> Now as I'm working on phone (and address) directories, I am currently using
> the element to mark up addresses of all listings (no matter how many of the
> listings are on a page).
>
> What do you think? Is this correct usage or not?

Sorry, no it's not. Address is only for contact information for the
author of the document (this would be you)... and it can only appear
once.

I think you could look at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard for the
microformat approach, or some other list members can recommend various
options... definition lists might work well.

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