Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting
Bet you they are still running Mosaic... :D It's available at browsers.evolt.org Cheers James Chris Blown wrote: Until late last year, the government department we had dealings with used everything from NS4 and IE5 to some guy in the corner cubicle using Mosaic on 95. Thankfully they upgrade the entire department to WinXP pro. Chris * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting
Until late last year, the government department we had dealings with used everything from NS4 and IE5 to some guy in the corner cubicle using Mosaic on 95. Thankfully they upgrade the entire department to WinXP pro. ChrisB On Sat, 2004-01-17 at 01:51, Vaska.WSG wrote: > That's very interesting - I wasn't aware of that. I've worked with a > few large governmental organizations in the past and the default was > always Explorer. Of course, that was Seattle and Redmond was only 20 > minutes away... > > And CSS wasn't generally used for as much back then either...the need > for as many hacks didn't exist. > > v > > > On 16 Jan 2004, at 15:14, Peter Firminger wrote: > > In some Government organisations, Netscape 4 is still used as the > default > browser generally to the use of the Netscape email client and because > they > paid a site licence for corporate use (which is why Netscape had to > bring > out an update to 4.7? last year). If one of these organisations is your > client, then there is a very good reason to tweak for it. > > Of course you urge them to change the policy, but sysadmins (especially > government ones) are not always fast on technology change. > > P > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vaska.WSG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:05 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting > > > > > > Do people really code/tweak for NS4? My netscape traffic generally > > ranges less than 3% and I can only imagine that a very small chunk of > > that is actually NS4. Am I missing something? > > > > v > > > > > > On 16 Jan 2004, at 11:10, James Ellis wrote: > > > > > > Hi all > > > > For those who didn't make it, Russ in his presentation made a really > > good point about cross browser implementation > > > > Basically we can tweak to 6.7 different browsers but are the > > people who > > view our sites going to do the same? Provided the content is > > structured > > to be readable for our IE5 and NS4 viewers (for instance) out there, > > they might just say "hey that looks all right...". They may > > even label > > something "normal" that we call broken. > > > > It certainly is a good point to remember when we get stuck in the CSS > > tweak-to-death mindset. > > > > Cheers > > James > > > > * > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > * > > > > * > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > * > > > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting
That's very interesting - I wasn't aware of that. I've worked with a few large governmental organizations in the past and the default was always Explorer. Of course, that was Seattle and Redmond was only 20 minutes away... And CSS wasn't generally used for as much back then either...the need for as many hacks didn't exist. v On 16 Jan 2004, at 15:14, Peter Firminger wrote: In some Government organisations, Netscape 4 is still used as the default browser generally to the use of the Netscape email client and because they paid a site licence for corporate use (which is why Netscape had to bring out an update to 4.7? last year). If one of these organisations is your client, then there is a very good reason to tweak for it. Of course you urge them to change the policy, but sysadmins (especially government ones) are not always fast on technology change. P -Original Message- From: Vaska.WSG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting Do people really code/tweak for NS4? My netscape traffic generally ranges less than 3% and I can only imagine that a very small chunk of that is actually NS4. Am I missing something? v On 16 Jan 2004, at 11:10, James Ellis wrote: Hi all For those who didn't make it, Russ in his presentation made a really good point about cross browser implementation Basically we can tweak to 6.7 different browsers but are the people who view our sites going to do the same? Provided the content is structured to be readable for our IE5 and NS4 viewers (for instance) out there, they might just say "hey that looks all right...". They may even label something "normal" that we call broken. It certainly is a good point to remember when we get stuck in the CSS tweak-to-death mindset. Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting
In some Government organisations, Netscape 4 is still used as the default browser generally to the use of the Netscape email client and because they paid a site licence for corporate use (which is why Netscape had to bring out an update to 4.7? last year). If one of these organisations is your client, then there is a very good reason to tweak for it. Of course you urge them to change the policy, but sysadmins (especially government ones) are not always fast on technology change. P > -Original Message- > From: Vaska.WSG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting > > > Do people really code/tweak for NS4? My netscape traffic generally > ranges less than 3% and I can only imagine that a very small chunk of > that is actually NS4. Am I missing something? > > v > > > On 16 Jan 2004, at 11:10, James Ellis wrote: > > > Hi all > > For those who didn't make it, Russ in his presentation made a really > good point about cross browser implementation > > Basically we can tweak to 6.7 different browsers but are the > people who > view our sites going to do the same? Provided the content is > structured > to be readable for our IE5 and NS4 viewers (for instance) out there, > they might just say "hey that looks all right...". They may > even label > something "normal" that we call broken. > > It certainly is a good point to remember when we get stuck in the CSS > tweak-to-death mindset. > > Cheers > James > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Russ' point from last night's meeting
Do people really code/tweak for NS4? My netscape traffic generally ranges less than 3% and I can only imagine that a very small chunk of that is actually NS4. Am I missing something? v On 16 Jan 2004, at 11:10, James Ellis wrote: Hi all For those who didn't make it, Russ in his presentation made a really good point about cross browser implementation Basically we can tweak to 6.7 different browsers but are the people who view our sites going to do the same? Provided the content is structured to be readable for our IE5 and NS4 viewers (for instance) out there, they might just say "hey that looks all right...". They may even label something "normal" that we call broken. It certainly is a good point to remember when we get stuck in the CSS tweak-to-death mindset. Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
