Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and breakfast in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will always be in the same place. I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect it to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so the search engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for. I haven't done any tests, etc, but that is what I would expect of the tag. How much difference it makes in terms of SEO will be harder to gauge as I doubt that adding that tag will make you rank higher (as the search engines cater for the lowest possible denominator) but it should help in terms of specific search queries. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote: I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and geo.position: 1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant imporvement, however they did go on to say that in the future these tags will play a more important role. Has that future arrived or are these tags essentialy still code bloat? 2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning regional search requests, or as they put it: It understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely different town. If this is the case, then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or thoughts regarding these tags? Thanks, Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
Ben, I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect it to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so the search engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for. That's why I posted, to get another perspective - thanks - what you say makes perfect sense. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] meta tag questions
You can see dublin core as well as RDF and microformatted information has been indexed by yahoo when you use the BOSS api and/or build a SearchMonkey application. I don't know how much it influences Yahoo's rankings, but it is being used in building the index. http://developer.yahoo.com/boss http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey http://developer.yahoo.com/yql Ted _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ben Dodson Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:38 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] meta tag questions I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and breakfast in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will always be in the same place. I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect it to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so the search engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for. I haven't done any tests, etc, but that is what I would expect of the tag. How much difference it makes in terms of SEO will be harder to gauge as I doubt that adding that tag will make you rank higher (as the search engines cater for the lowest possible denominator) but it should help in terms of specific search queries. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote: I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and geo.position: 1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant imporvement, however they did go on to say that in the future these tags will play a more important role. Has that future arrived or are these tags essentialy still code bloat? 2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning regional search requests, or as they put it: It understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely different town. If this is the case, then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or thoughts regarding these tags? Thanks, Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
Hi Bob, Bob Schwartz wrote: 2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning regional search requests, or as they put it: "It understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely different town". If this is the case, then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or thoughts regarding these tags? Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back for inferring distances between points using the great circle method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema. If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg. meta name="ICBM" content="12.345, -67.890" / ). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Rob Turner Company Leader www. f l e x a d a t a .com +1 415 448 7652 +61 7 3040 1337 ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***begin:vcard fn:Rob Turner n:Turner;Rob org:Flexa Pty Ltd email;internet:r...@flexadata.com title:Company Leader tel;work:+61 7 3040 1337 tel;cell:+61 4 0115 9060 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://flexadata.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
Hi Robert. Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back for inferring distances between points using the great circle method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema. If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg. meta name=ICBM content=12.345, -67.890 / ). Yes and the ICBM is part of them. As best I can tell a complete set looks like this: meta name=geo.placename content=loc. Amerique, 10, 11020 Quart, Aosta (Valle d'Aosta), Italy meta name=geo.position content=45.740005;7.368822 meta name=geo.region content=IT-Valle d'Aosta meta name=ICBM content=45.740005, 7.368822 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
Thanks Bob, I've dug up some old java code that contained a snippet from the geo schema I used (in a javadoc comment). Here it is: /** ... * pRDF Vocabulary for describing points: * code * rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" * xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" * geo:Point * geo:lat54.5722/geo:lat * geo:long0.014024/geo:long * /geo:Point * /rdf:RDF * * (eg. geo:Point geo:lat="54.5722" geo:long="0.014024"/ ) * /code ... */ I hope this helps you out. Cheers, Rob Bob Schwartz wrote: Hi Robert. Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back for inferring distances between points using the great circle method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema. If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg. meta name="ICBM" content="12.345, -67.890" / ). Yes and the ICBM is part of them. As best I can tell a complete set looks like this: meta name="geo.placename" content="loc. Amerique, 10, 11020 Quart, Aosta (Valle d'Aosta), Italy" meta name="geo.position" content="45.740005;7.368822" meta name="geo.region" content="IT-Valle d'Aosta" meta name="ICBM" content="45.740005, 7.368822" *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Rob Turner Company Leader www. f l e x a d a t a .com +1 415 448 7652 +61 7 3040 1337 ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***begin:vcard fn:Rob Turner n:Turner;Rob org:Flexa Pty Ltd email;internet:r...@flexadata.com title:Company Leader tel;work:+61 7 3040 1337 tel;cell:+61 4 0115 9060 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://flexadata.com version:2.1 end:vcard
