Standards slipping (was RE: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?]
Stuart, I would have to add ..and watch those standards disregarded by popular Open Source and commercial applications. For an interesting tale of standards and Standards slipping, please see http://realtech.burningbird.net/semweb/wordpress-25-releases/ - the comment discussion taking place is quite informative. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2008 2:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?] While yet another 50+ age group, who invented the Internet and the World Wide Web, continue to set the standards which stop it descending into chaos. NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: Standards slipping (was RE: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?]
Hi I read through that post and the available comments and I'd say it's a bit pedantic of the author to go on about a subset of an application and link that to the end of XHTML and worse. Especially one that seems to be third party and incorporated into WP. The author also confuses the functions of getting your data from a source (the application) and sending it to a browser/device (the output method). The two are distinct (although sometimes the lines blur). Writing web applications is a process of gradual improvement rather than spot on standards the first time (although that may happen from time to time). Remember also that standards are a stepping stone to building web applications - not the be-all and end-all. Nobody kills kittens when a validation error occurs, nobody should, least of all your favourite deity. Implementing a feature that will bring in greater market share, more users and therefore more revenue has to be considered along with any improvement process involving incorporation of standards. If you add a feature that brings in a few thousand users while not initially supporting the standards then you have more revenue to improve that feature to satisfy the outliers that demand full compliance. It would, of course, be even better to implement a feature that incorporates the accepted standard from the start - but the world doesn't always work that way. Take the Gallery option talked about in this link - if the author(s) of it cannot provide a standards compliant option within the launch timeframe of any app that includes it - and the app is not relying on it for core functions then the app is going to be launched, with a X.x point release probably bringing the gallery up to speed. With open source applications especially there is a process for reporting and fixing bugs that often proves cumbersome to some - and chiding the app's developers does nothing to assist in fixing the issues (in fact it may produce the opposite effect). Finally, focusing back on WP, it does what it does well - providing free publishing to a huge audience in a semi-standards compliant way. If you step back, it can be seen as a glorified way of saving content with a wp unified way of rendering that data. And I guess that's my point - it can save your content but you can use any codebase (not just the WP software) to access the database and visualise your data in any way you see fit (even XHTML1 strict). And that's really true for any application that uses any type of data storage medium. Cheers James On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:44:06 am Andrew Boyd wrote: Stuart, I would have to add ..and watch those standards disregarded by popular Open Source and commercial applications. For an interesting tale of standards and Standards slipping, please see http://realtech.burningbird.net/semweb/wordpress-25-releases/ - the comment discussion taking place is quite informative. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
