Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Neil Zampella]

Hi all,

just built r7990 and saw the updates to the User Guide.   Some quick notes:

The left hand slider is still mentioned in the User Guide in para 10.3.

In para 10.4, a 'Center' panel is shown, but there configuration 
settings not mentioned in the text, what is apparently covered in the 
text is the standard JT65/JT9 center panel. This would definitely 
confuse a new user.


Neil, KN3ILZ



On 8/2/2017 3:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:

Hi all,

In preparation for a soon-to-come second candidate release of WSJT-X 
Version 1.8, I committed a large number of updates to the WSJT-X User 
Guide today.


The new user guide is posted here:
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.1-devel.html 



If you are using one of the pre-release versions of WSJT-X v1.8, please:

1. Refer to the User Guide first, whenever you have questions. It's 
only a single *F1* keystroke away, if you are running WSJT-X.


2. If you find something confusing, missing, or otherwise in need of 
improvement, please post details to this list.  The User Guide can 
always be made better -- and we rely on *you* to help us do that.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Jay Hainline]

Another thing I am just thinking of and maybe I missed it, but maybe a mention 
of a priori with a description of what it is.

Just had a series 5 decodes of CT1HZE here CQing on FT8 mode on 6 meters. His 
last decode was at -23 with a1 showing on the side. That made me think of it. 😊

73 Jay KA9CFD

-Original Message-
From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] 
Sent: August 2, 2017 21:21
To: WSJT software development 
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

Hi Jay,

Thanks for the feedback.

On 8/2/2017 5:01 PM, Jay Hainline KA9CFD wrote:
> 2 things I noticed about the User Guide.
> 
> 1. In Section 16.2 Slow Modes, FT8 is listed. Should it be listed in 
> the Fast modes instead?

The X Fast modes in WSJT-X send their messages repeatedly in a single Tx 
sequence.  The single-frame message duration is generally much less than the 
T/R sequence length.

FT8 sends transmits its basic message frame exactly once in a Tx interval.  It 
is therefore deemed to be a slow mode.  (It's just not as "slow" as the 
one-minute slow modes.)

> 2. There is no mention in the User Guide about the Frequency 
> Calibration mode feature. There should be a write up on how to use and 
> maybe how to edit the frequency list for your own taste.

This is still TBD.  The User Guide is *never* finished, hi.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Joe Taylor]

Hi Jay,

Thanks for the feedback.

On 8/2/2017 5:01 PM, Jay Hainline KA9CFD wrote:

2 things I noticed about the User Guide.

1. In Section 16.2 Slow Modes, FT8 is listed. Should it be listed in the
Fast modes instead?


The X Fast modes in WSJT-X send their messages repeatedly in a single Tx 
sequence.  The single-frame message duration is generally much less than 
the T/R sequence length.


FT8 sends transmits its basic message frame exactly once in a Tx 
interval.  It is therefore deemed to be a slow mode.  (It's just not as 
"slow" as the one-minute slow modes.)



2. There is no mention in the User Guide about the Frequency Calibration
mode feature. There should be a write up on how to use and maybe how to edit
the frequency list for your own taste.


This is still TBD.  The User Guide is *never* finished, hi.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for Compiling Hamlib

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

You're looking at the shortcut in the Program menu which points to 
C:\JTSDK\maint.cmd
de Mike W9MDB

  From: Chuck Yahrling 
 To: Bill Turner ; WSJT software development 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for 
Compiling Hamlib
   
That's interesting.  I have a folder named Tools under the main c:\JTSDK 
folder.  Inside is  JTSDK Maintenance.
I also have an icon at the same level as c:\jtsdk that says JTSDK Update.  I 
used it a few days ago to get me up to 2.0.5-1.  


 

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Bill Turner via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:

Thanks Greg, the maintenance worked fine.  For the benefit of those of us still 
learning JTSDK you might point out that Maintenance is a file called "maint" in 
the JTSDK folder.
Thanks for all the work you folks are doing to make WSJT spectacular.
Bill, W4WNT


  From: Greg Beam 
 To: wsjtgr...@yahoogroups.com; 'WSJT software development' 
; ws...@groups.io; jt...@groups.io 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:06 PM
 Subject: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for 
Compiling Hamlib
  
Hello All,

The Hamlib development team recently made a slight change to their build
invocation. As result, a minor change to the JTSDK-Win Hamlib3 build script
was required. 

TO UPGRADE:
* Open JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: update
* Type: upgrade
* Close, then reopen JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: version

You should now be on v2.0.6-0 Release 710 [1]

If you have problems with the update, post them on jt...@groups.io

[1] jtsdk-win-2.0.6.png

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Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for Compiling Hamlib

[Greg Beam]

Hi Chuck,

 

C:\JTSDK\tools is where the GNU tools are kept (awk, sed, grep, ls, and many 
others). JTSDK Maintenance ( C:\JTSDK\maint.cmd) is just a shell script that 
sets up a specific environment (add paths and such).

 

The Icon: JTSDK Update, runs the update.cmd script from within the root 
directory. It’s the same as opening JTSDK Maintenance, typing update, then 
upgrade.

 

It’s a good point that, using the JTSDK Update icon is probably a better route 
for most rather than using JTSDK Maintenance.

 

73’s

Greg, KI7MT

 

From: Chuck Yahrling [mailto:ab1vl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Bill Turner ; WSJT software development 

Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for 
Compiling Hamlib

 

That's interesting.  I have a folder named Tools under the main c:\JTSDK 
folder.  Inside is  JTSDK Maintenance.

 

I also have an icon at the same level as c:\jtsdk that says JTSDK Update.  I 
used it a few days ago to get me up to 2.0.5-1.  

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Bill Turner via wsjt-devel 
mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > 
wrote:

Thanks Greg, the maintenance worked fine.  For the benefit of those of us still 
learning JTSDK you might point out that Maintenance is a file called "maint" in 
the JTSDK folder.

 

Thanks for all the work you folks are doing to make WSJT spectacular.

 

Bill, W4WNT

 


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From: Greg Beam mailto:ki7m...@gmail.com> >
To: wsjtgr...@yahoogroups.com  ; 'WSJT 
software development' mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >; ws...@groups.io 
 ; jt...@groups.io   
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:06 PM
Subject: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for 
Compiling Hamlib

 

Hello All,

 

The Hamlib development team recently made a slight change to their build

invocation. As result, a minor change to the JTSDK-Win Hamlib3 build script

was required. 

 

TO UPGRADE:

* Open JTSDK Maintenance

* Type: update

* Type: upgrade

* Close, then reopen JTSDK Maintenance

* Type: version

 

You should now be on v2.0.6-0 Release 710 [1]

 

If you have problems with the update, post them on jt...@groups.io 
 

 

[1] jtsdk-win-2.0.6.png

 

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Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Jay Hainline]

2 things I noticed about the User Guide.

1. In Section 16.2 Slow Modes, FT8 is listed. Should it be listed in the
Fast modes instead?

2. There is no mention in the User Guide about the Frequency Calibration
mode feature. There should be a write up on how to use and maybe how to edit
the frequency list for your own taste.

The software seems to be working well. I wish we had more 6 meter multihop
es to play with. The fat lady is getting ready...

73 Jay KA9CFD



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From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] 
Sent: August 2, 2017 19:42
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

Hi all,

In preparation for a soon-to-come second candidate release of WSJT-X Version
1.8, I committed a large number of updates to the WSJT-X User Guide today.

The new user guide is posted here:
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.1-deve
l.html

If you are using one of the pre-release versions of WSJT-X v1.8, please:

1. Refer to the User Guide first, whenever you have questions. It's only a
single *F1* keystroke away, if you are running WSJT-X.

2. If you find something confusing, missing, or otherwise in need of
improvement, please post details to this list.  The User Guide can always be
made better -- and we rely on *you* to help us do that.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for Compiling Hamlib

[Chuck Yahrling]

That's interesting.  I have a folder named Tools under the main c:\JTSDK
folder.  Inside is  JTSDK Maintenance.

I also have an icon at the same level as c:\jtsdk that says JTSDK Update.
I used it a few days ago to get me up to 2.0.5-1.





On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Bill Turner via wsjt-devel <
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Thanks Greg, the maintenance worked fine.  For the benefit of those of us
> still learning JTSDK you might point out that Maintenance is a file called
> "maint" in the JTSDK folder.
>
> Thanks for all the work you folks are doing to make WSJT spectacular.
>
> Bill, W4WNT
>
>
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> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; ws...@groups.io; jt...@groups.io
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:06 PM
> *Subject:* [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update
> for Compiling Hamlib
>
> Hello All,
>
> The Hamlib development team recently made a slight change to their build
> invocation. As result, a minor change to the JTSDK-Win Hamlib3 build script
> was required.
>
> TO UPGRADE:
> * Open JTSDK Maintenance
> * Type: update
> * Type: upgrade
> * Close, then reopen JTSDK Maintenance
> * Type: version
>
> You should now be on v2.0.6-0 Release 710 [1]
>
> If you have problems with the update, post them on jt...@groups.io
>
> [1] jtsdk-win-2.0.6.png
>
> 73's
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Re: [wsjt-devel] merge of r7985

[Bill Somerville]

On 02/08/2017 21:14, Chuck Yahrling wrote:
Was just testing Greg's updates to JTSDK and I noticed that 
"build-wsjtx rinstall" (after building a new hamlib3) built  r7985 for 
me.  Should 7986 and later be available or does the message about 
"building from trunk" have something to do with not getting the 
latest: e.g r7988 on this run of my JTSDK?


I'm running 7985 on 20M right now.

Just curious


Hi Chuck,

the subversion revision numbers monotonically increment for each change 
made to the whole repository. When you build from a branch, which is a 
subset of the whole repository the build records the latest revision 
number for all the files in the subset. So at any one time the highest 
revision number may be in any branch, it does reflect the latest change 
in the whole repository but not necessarily the latest change in the 
part you built.


73
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Re: [wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Richard Lamont]

On 02/08/17 20:42, Joe Taylor wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> In preparation for a soon-to-come second candidate release of WSJT-X
> Version 1.8, I committed a large number of updates to the WSJT-X User
> Guide today.

> 2. If you find something confusing, missing, or otherwise in need of
> improvement, please post details to this list.

Hi Joe,

Many thanks for this. One small suggestion:

Section 12.1, re. FT8 end-of-line information: an explanation of the
meaning of "?" as in e.g. "? a3" would help.

73,
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Re: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for Compiling Hamlib

[Bill Turner via wsjt-devel]

Thanks Greg, the maintenance worked fine.  For the benefit of those of us still 
learning JTSDK you might point out that Maintenance is a file called "maint" in 
the JTSDK folder.
Thanks for all the work you folks are doing to make WSJT spectacular.
Bill, W4WNT


  From: Greg Beam 
 To: wsjtgr...@yahoogroups.com; 'WSJT software development' 
; ws...@groups.io; jt...@groups.io 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:06 PM
 Subject: [wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for 
Compiling Hamlib
   
Hello All,

The Hamlib development team recently made a slight change to their build
invocation. As result, a minor change to the JTSDK-Win Hamlib3 build script
was required. 

TO UPGRADE:
* Open JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: update
* Type: upgrade
* Close, then reopen JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: version

You should now be on v2.0.6-0 Release 710 [1]

If you have problems with the update, post them on jt...@groups.io

[1] jtsdk-win-2.0.6.png

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[wsjt-devel] merge of r7985

[Chuck Yahrling]

Hi Bill,

Was just testing Greg's updates to JTSDK and I noticed that "build-wsjtx
rinstall" (after building a new hamlib3) built  r7985 for me.  Should 7986
and later be available or does the message about "building from trunk" have
something to do with not getting the latest: e.g r7988 on this run of my
JTSDK?

I'm running 7985 on 20M right now.

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[wsjt-devel] User Guide updates for WSJT-X Version 1.8

[Joe Taylor]

Hi all,

In preparation for a soon-to-come second candidate release of WSJT-X 
Version 1.8, I committed a large number of updates to the WSJT-X User 
Guide today.


The new user guide is posted here:
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.1-devel.html

If you are using one of the pre-release versions of WSJT-X v1.8, please:

1. Refer to the User Guide first, whenever you have questions. It's only 
a single *F1* keystroke away, if you are running WSJT-X.


2. If you find something confusing, missing, or otherwise in need of 
improvement, please post details to this list.  The User Guide can 
always be made better -- and we rely on *you* to help us do that.


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[wsjt-devel] JTSDK-Win32 Upgrade Available - Important Update for Compiling Hamlib

[Greg Beam]

Hello All,

The Hamlib development team recently made a slight change to their build
invocation. As result, a minor change to the JTSDK-Win Hamlib3 build script
was required. 

TO UPGRADE:
* Open JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: update
* Type: upgrade
* Close, then reopen JTSDK Maintenance
* Type: version

You should now be on v2.0.6-0 Release 710 [1]

If you have problems with the update, post them on jt...@groups.io

[1] jtsdk-win-2.0.6.png

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Re: [wsjt-devel] 72-Bit Contest Mode, Rover support

[Neil Zampella]

Sorry Joe ...

I picked the wrong email to get the address from :)

Anyway, the steps to reproduce:

1.   Turn on FT8 contest mode in the settings
2.   Have auto sequence and call 1st checked
3.   Call CQ
4.   QSO partner then responds

Here's the exchange from the ALL.TXT file:

170801_200700  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  CQ KN3ILZ FN00
200715 -12  0.2 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_200730  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
200745 -13  0.2 1502 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_200800  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
200815 -10  0.2 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_200830  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
200845 -15  0.2 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_200900  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
170801_200930  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
200945  -9  0.2 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_201000  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
170801_201030  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
2017-08-01 20:10  7.074 MHz  FT8
2017-08-01 20:10  7.073992 MHz  FT8
2017-08-01 20:11  7.074 MHz  FT8
2017-08-01 20:11  7.073992 MHz  FT8
170801_201130  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
170801_201200  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
201215 -16  0.2 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV FN23
170801_201230  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ FN00
201245 -14  0.2 1502 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV R FN23
170801_201300  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ RRR
201315 -11  0.3 1503 ~  KN3ILZ N2ADV 73
170801_201330  Transmitting 7.073992 MHz  FT8:  N2ADV KN3ILZ 73

James finally advanced manually, and I selected the responses. We're not 
sure if there was something we missed in setup or what.


Thanks,

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 8/2/2017 8:50 AM, Joe Taylor wrote:

Hi Neil,

On 8/1/2017 4:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:

Hi Joe,

I was testing with in r7976 and was wondering if the contest mode was 
auto sequence enabled.  Apparently it isn't ??  Is that right.   Just 
want to make sure, as the exchange had to be manually advanced.


Neil, KN3ILZ


Please follow instructions in the User Guide and address queries about 
WSJT-X to wsjtgroup or wsjt-devel.  I am copying this reply to 
wsjt-devel.


I have not yet had a chance to test the 72-bit contest mode of FT8 on 
the air.  However, I had thought that auto-sequencing should work as 
expected.  Please elaborate on why you think it does not.


As always, if you think you have uncovered a bug, it's best to provide 
a series of steps that will reproduce the bug.


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On 7/28/2017 1:33 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:

Hi all Beta Testers,

In code revision r7969 the WSJT-X development branch supports 
"Contest Mode" in FT8 as well as MSK144.  This mode is designed for 
NA VHF+ contests in which the required exchange is a 4-character 
grid locator.


Contest Mode is enabled by checking the box labeled "FT8 and MSK144 
Contest Mode" on the *Settings -> Advanced* tab. When that has been 
done by both QSO partners, QSOs in the following formats are supported:




Please note that these features do not (yet) take advantage of the 
enhanced 75-bit messages possible in FT8.  We are currently working 
on uses for the extra 3 bits that will provide support for other 
contest types, perhaps including RTTY-like  and EU VHF+ contests, as 
well as improved support for messaged containing compound callsigns.


If you are able to build WSJT-X r7969 and to find a partner with 
whom you can test these new features, please send reports to this list.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] MSK144

[Bill Somerville]

On 02/08/2017 15:58, Joe wrote:

Is it very wide or what is the reason why it isn't useable below 50 Mhz?


Hi Joe,

MSK144 is targeted at meteor scatter reflections. It would indeed be 
very useful on 10m and over here in region 1 it is certainly used on 4m.


I believe that in NA the restriction that disallows it on 10m is the 
symbol rate which is limited to no higher than 1200 (a restriction that 
dates back to 1980 when digital transmissions were first allowed), 
MSK144 is 2000. The signal is no wider than a typical SSB signal, it 
can't be because it is produced by an SSB rig. In areas where 
restrictions are purely band width limited I'm sure that it would be 
allowed in an SSB sub-band, so long as suitable identification 
requirements were followed, but not in FCC controlled NA.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] MSK144

[Joe Taylor]

On 8/2/2017 10:58 AM, WB9BSD wrote:

Where can I go to learn more about this mode?
Is it very wide or what is the reason why it isn't useable below 50 Mhz?

Joe WB9SBD


1. Why not go to the WSJT-X User Guide?  You might start at these two 
places:


file:///C:/JTSDK/wsjtx/devel/qt55/1.7.1/Release/build/doc/wsjtx-main_en.html#_msk144

file:///C:/JTSDK/wsjtx/devel/qt55/1.7.1/Release/build/doc/wsjtx-main_en.html#FAST_MODES

2. Please post requests for help on the wsjtgroup email list, rather 
than here at wsjt-devel.  This list is intended for communication among 
the WSJT developers and beta testers.


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[wsjt-devel] MSK144

[Joe]

Where can I go to learn more about this mode?
Is it very wide or what is the reason why it isn't useable below 50 Mhz?

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Re: [wsjt-devel] 72-Bit Contest Mode, Rover support

[James Shaver (N2ADV)]

Yep that's what Neil and I were seeing when we tested it yesterday. We kept 
exchanging call and grid in an endless loop :)

Jim S
N2ADV 

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Joe Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Charlie.  We'll need to look at that.  -- Joe, K1JT
> 
>> On 8/2/2017 10:03 AM, char...@sucklingfamily.free-online.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi Joe
>> On a loop-back test it looks to me like the autoseq does not kick in until
>> it has received a [call call R grid message]. Then it progresses to RRR
>> and 73 messages. The only way I could trigger that was to switch off
>> autoseq on the sending instance and manually send the R message.
>> Else for me it sticks at sending [call call grid].
>> Not sure if this was what Neil was seeing.
>> Charlie
>>  > Hi Neil,
>>> 
 On 8/1/2017 4:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
 Hi Joe,
 
 I was testing with in r7976 and was wondering if the contest mode was
 auto sequence enabled.  Apparently it isn't ??  Is that right.   Just
 want to make sure, as the exchange had to be manually advanced.
 
 Neil, KN3ILZ
>>> 
>>> Please follow instructions in the User Guide and address queries about
>>> WSJT-X to wsjtgroup or wsjt-devel.  I am copying this reply to wsjt-devel.
>>> 
>>> I have not yet had a chance to test the 72-bit contest mode of FT8 on
>>> the air.  However, I had thought that auto-sequencing should work as
>>> expected.  Please elaborate on why you think it does not.
>>> 
>>> As always, if you think you have uncovered a bug, it's best to provide a
>>> series of steps that will reproduce the bug.
>>> 
>>>-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>>> 
> On 7/28/2017 1:33 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:
> Hi all Beta Testers,
> 
> In code revision r7969 the WSJT-X development branch supports "Contest
> Mode" in FT8 as well as MSK144.  This mode is designed for NA VHF+
> contests in which the required exchange is a 4-character grid locator.
> 
> Contest Mode is enabled by checking the box labeled "FT8 and MSK144
> Contest Mode" on the *Settings -> Advanced* tab.  When that has been
> done by both QSO partners, QSOs in the following formats are supported:
> 
> 
> 
> Please note that these features do not (yet) take advantage of the
> enhanced 75-bit messages possible in FT8.  We are currently working on
> uses for the extra 3 bits that will provide support for other contest
> types, perhaps including RTTY-like  and EU VHF+ contests, as well as
> improved support for messaged containing compound callsigns.
> 
> If you are able to build WSJT-X r7969 and to find a partner with whom
> you can test these new features, please send reports to this list.
> 
> -- 73, Joe, K1JT
> 
> 
 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] 72-Bit Contest Mode, Rover support

[Joe Taylor]

Thanks, Charlie.  We'll need to look at that.  -- Joe, K1JT

On 8/2/2017 10:03 AM, char...@sucklingfamily.free-online.co.uk wrote:

Hi Joe

On a loop-back test it looks to me like the autoseq does not kick in until
it has received a [call call R grid message]. Then it progresses to RRR
and 73 messages. The only way I could trigger that was to switch off
autoseq on the sending instance and manually send the R message.

Else for me it sticks at sending [call call grid].

Not sure if this was what Neil was seeing.

Charlie

  > Hi Neil,


On 8/1/2017 4:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:

Hi Joe,

I was testing with in r7976 and was wondering if the contest mode was
auto sequence enabled.  Apparently it isn't ??  Is that right.   Just
want to make sure, as the exchange had to be manually advanced.

Neil, KN3ILZ


Please follow instructions in the User Guide and address queries about
WSJT-X to wsjtgroup or wsjt-devel.  I am copying this reply to wsjt-devel.

I have not yet had a chance to test the 72-bit contest mode of FT8 on
the air.  However, I had thought that auto-sequencing should work as
expected.  Please elaborate on why you think it does not.

As always, if you think you have uncovered a bug, it's best to provide a
series of steps that will reproduce the bug.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT


On 7/28/2017 1:33 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:

Hi all Beta Testers,

In code revision r7969 the WSJT-X development branch supports "Contest
Mode" in FT8 as well as MSK144.  This mode is designed for NA VHF+
contests in which the required exchange is a 4-character grid locator.

Contest Mode is enabled by checking the box labeled "FT8 and MSK144
Contest Mode" on the *Settings -> Advanced* tab.  When that has been
done by both QSO partners, QSOs in the following formats are supported:



Please note that these features do not (yet) take advantage of the
enhanced 75-bit messages possible in FT8.  We are currently working on
uses for the extra 3 bits that will provide support for other contest
types, perhaps including RTTY-like  and EU VHF+ contests, as well as
improved support for messaged containing compound callsigns.

If you are able to build WSJT-X r7969 and to find a partner with whom
you can test these new features, please send reports to this list.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X logging error

[Gary McDuffie]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Bill Somerville  wrote:
> 
> We make hard work for ourselves by having such a good decoder that can 
> disentangle signals on top of each other.

That part still amazes me.  Decoding two that are on same freq right down to 
the ones digit blows me away.  Nice find by Dan too!

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Re: [wsjt-devel] 72-Bit Contest Mode, Rover support

[charlie]

Hi Joe

On a loop-back test it looks to me like the autoseq does not kick in until
it has received a [call call R grid message]. Then it progresses to RRR
and 73 messages. The only way I could trigger that was to switch off
autoseq on the sending instance and manually send the R message.

Else for me it sticks at sending [call call grid].

Not sure if this was what Neil was seeing.

Charlie

 > Hi Neil,
>
> On 8/1/2017 4:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> I was testing with in r7976 and was wondering if the contest mode was
>> auto sequence enabled.  Apparently it isn't ??  Is that right.   Just
>> want to make sure, as the exchange had to be manually advanced.
>>
>> Neil, KN3ILZ
>
> Please follow instructions in the User Guide and address queries about
> WSJT-X to wsjtgroup or wsjt-devel.  I am copying this reply to wsjt-devel.
>
> I have not yet had a chance to test the 72-bit contest mode of FT8 on
> the air.  However, I had thought that auto-sequencing should work as
> expected.  Please elaborate on why you think it does not.
>
> As always, if you think you have uncovered a bug, it's best to provide a
> series of steps that will reproduce the bug.
>
>   -- 73, Joe, K1JT
>
>> On 7/28/2017 1:33 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:
>>> Hi all Beta Testers,
>>>
>>> In code revision r7969 the WSJT-X development branch supports "Contest
>>> Mode" in FT8 as well as MSK144.  This mode is designed for NA VHF+
>>> contests in which the required exchange is a 4-character grid locator.
>>>
>>> Contest Mode is enabled by checking the box labeled "FT8 and MSK144
>>> Contest Mode" on the *Settings -> Advanced* tab.  When that has been
>>> done by both QSO partners, QSOs in the following formats are supported:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please note that these features do not (yet) take advantage of the
>>> enhanced 75-bit messages possible in FT8.  We are currently working on
>>> uses for the extra 3 bits that will provide support for other contest
>>> types, perhaps including RTTY-like  and EU VHF+ contests, as well as
>>> improved support for messaged containing compound callsigns.
>>>
>>> If you are able to build WSJT-X r7969 and to find a partner with whom
>>> you can test these new features, please send reports to this list.
>>>
>>> -- 73, Joe, K1JT
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X logging error

[Dan Malcolm]

Bill,

Yes you do make hard work for yourselves.  Sigh.  I guess you'll just have
to live with talent, skill and success.  I for one am grateful you guys do
this.  Thanks.

 

Dan - K4SHQ

 

From: Bill Somerville [mailto:g4...@classdesign.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:25 AM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X logging error

 

On 02/08/2017 14:16, Dan Malcolm wrote:

 

I have not seen this before.  I am running WSJT-X 1.7.1-devel r7972. 

 

I had a FT8 QSO with NP3DM.  Just off my frequency was another QSO going on
with K5GA and VE3FON.  No problem as the decoder seemed to handle both QSO's
separately.  When logging time came however, VE3FON was logged to Log4OM no
NP3DM.  See attached screen captures.  The logging chain starts with WSJT-X
and WSJT-X is only offering VE3FON.  The last line of wsjtx.log is this
line:
"2017-08-02,12:50:00,2017-08-02,12:52:15,VE2FON,,14.075312,FT8,-01,-19,20,FT
8  Sent: -01  Rcvd: -19,"

Hi Dan,

this is a slightly tricky situation to deal with. We accept any message with
the word 73 as a sign off that triggers logging but in this case it also
picked up the callsign even though the message was not for you. This
behaviour is only when the decode is +/- 10Hz of your frequency and it just
crept in. Looks like we will have to detect that it is a standard 73 message
but not for you, that will stop it sending 73 to a station that you didn't
work as well.

We make hard work for ourselves by having such a good decoder that can
disentangle signals on top of each other.

73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X logging error

[Bill Somerville]

On 02/08/2017 14:16, Dan Malcolm wrote:


I have not seen this before.  I am running WSJT-X 1.7.1-devel r7972.

I had a FT8 QSO with NP3DM.  Just off my frequency was another QSO 
going on with K5GA and VE3FON.  No problem as the decoder seemed to 
handle both QSO’s separately. When logging time came however, VE3FON 
was logged to Log4OM no NP3DM.  See attached screen captures.  The 
logging chain starts with WSJT-X and WSJT-X is only offering VE3FON.  
The last line of wsjtx.log is this line: 
*“2017-08-02,12:50:00,2017-08-02,12:52:15,VE2FON,,14.075312,FT8,-01,-19,20,FT8 
Sent: -01  Rcvd: -19,”*



Hi Dan,

this is a slightly tricky situation to deal with. We accept any message 
with the word 73 as a sign off that triggers logging but in this case it 
also picked up the callsign even though the message was not for you. 
This behaviour is only when the decode is +/- 10Hz of your frequency and 
it just crept in. Looks like we will have to detect that it is a 
standard 73 message but not for you, that will stop it sending 73 to a 
station that you didn't work as well.


We make hard work for ourselves by having such a good decoder that can 
disentangle signals on top of each other.


73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] 72-Bit Contest Mode, Rover support

[Joe Taylor]

Hi Neil,

On 8/1/2017 4:23 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:

Hi Joe,

I was testing with in r7976 and was wondering if the contest mode was 
auto sequence enabled.  Apparently it isn't ??  Is that right.   Just 
want to make sure, as the exchange had to be manually advanced.


Neil, KN3ILZ


Please follow instructions in the User Guide and address queries about 
WSJT-X to wsjtgroup or wsjt-devel.  I am copying this reply to wsjt-devel.


I have not yet had a chance to test the 72-bit contest mode of FT8 on 
the air.  However, I had thought that auto-sequencing should work as 
expected.  Please elaborate on why you think it does not.


As always, if you think you have uncovered a bug, it's best to provide a 
series of steps that will reproduce the bug.


-- 73, Joe, K1JT


On 7/28/2017 1:33 PM, Joe Taylor wrote:

Hi all Beta Testers,

In code revision r7969 the WSJT-X development branch supports "Contest 
Mode" in FT8 as well as MSK144.  This mode is designed for NA VHF+ 
contests in which the required exchange is a 4-character grid locator.


Contest Mode is enabled by checking the box labeled "FT8 and MSK144 
Contest Mode" on the *Settings -> Advanced* tab.  When that has been 
done by both QSO partners, QSOs in the following formats are supported:




Please note that these features do not (yet) take advantage of the 
enhanced 75-bit messages possible in FT8.  We are currently working on 
uses for the extra 3 bits that will provide support for other contest 
types, perhaps including RTTY-like  and EU VHF+ contests, as well as 
improved support for messaged containing compound callsigns.


If you are able to build WSJT-X r7969 and to find a partner with whom 
you can test these new features, please send reports to this list.


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