[wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest mode false triggers
Hi, some recent 50 MHz activity between Europe and VK/ZL has shown that the dreaded popup for NA VHF Contest mode still occurs during normal operations. When double clicking on a CQ from a europe station on 50 MHz, the popup occurs and then takes focus, this popup is not always on top of the main WSJT program and can be lost on a busy screen. Is there a way that a complete disable can be included for this most annoying popup inside WSJT-X? perhaps a tick box on the advanced page for those who will never ever want to use this 'feature'? I am using the latest GOLD build 1.91 but do have VHF/UHF features enabled as I have been doing a series of experiment with QRA64-D for scatter modes on 50 MHz. Regards, Peter Sumner, vk5pj -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest mode
Hi Peter, Unfortunately, take-up and use of WSJT-X by VK and ZL VHF operators -- at least by those who report back to us -- was rather slow during the "candidate release" periods of v1.8.0-rc1 and -rc2. We can't fix what we don't know is broken. The first we heard of this problem was 10 days ago, December 10, in a note to me from Garry Herden, VK5ZK. The problem was corrected on December 11. With the next program release, things will work as intended for those of you "down under". That release should come fairly soon. -- 73, Joe, K1JT On 12/19/2017 8:52 PM, Peter Sumner wrote: Hi Dev team, since the inclusion of "NA VHF Contest mode" in WSJT a lot of VK and I believe also ZL operators get to see a popup from WSJT-X that wants them to enable "Contest Mode?". I have spoke directly to many that have experienced this and a lot of them have just stopped using WSJT-X in favor of the MSHV software to avoid the error. All those I have asked about this assure me they do not have the tick in the contest mode option but we still see this from WSJT-X during normal operations on MSK144 & FT8 (screen grab attached) Could an option be included in WSJT-X that forcibly disables the popup / mode or some way for us to be rid of this? In many case the pop up box gets missed on a PC with a busy desktop and the OP wonders why WSJT-X has stopped responding. If there is any extra testing needed to chase this down,, I am happy to provide as much detail as I can muster. Regards, Peter Sumner, VK5PJ from down under -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest mode
Just a thought, but maybe the devs could only enable that checkbox and functionality if the user's grid is outside the "antipodal region" where NA calls are mapped. > On Dec 19, 2017, at 20:53, Peter Sumner wrote: > > Hi Dev team, >since the inclusion of "NA VHF Contest mode" in WSJT a lot of VK and I > believe also ZL operators get to see a popup from WSJT-X that wants them to > enable "Contest Mode?". I have spoke directly to many that have experienced > this and a lot of them have just stopped using WSJT-X in favor of the MSHV > software to avoid the error. > > All those I have asked about this assure me they do not have the tick in the > contest mode option but we still see this from WSJT-X during normal > operations on MSK144 & FT8 (screen grab attached) > > Could an option be included in WSJT-X that forcibly disables the popup / mode > or some way for us to be rid of this? In many case the pop up box gets > missed on a PC with a busy desktop and the OP wonders why WSJT-X has stopped > responding. > > If there is any extra testing needed to chase this down,, I am happy to > provide as much detail as I can muster. > > Regards, > Peter Sumner, VK5PJ from down under > > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest mode
Hi Dev team, since the inclusion of "NA VHF Contest mode" in WSJT a lot of VK and I believe also ZL operators get to see a popup from WSJT-X that wants them to enable "Contest Mode?". I have spoke directly to many that have experienced this and a lot of them have just stopped using WSJT-X in favor of the MSHV software to avoid the error. All those I have asked about this assure me they do not have the tick in the contest mode option but we still see this from WSJT-X during normal operations on MSK144 & FT8 (screen grab attached) Could an option be included in WSJT-X that forcibly disables the popup / mode or some way for us to be rid of this? In many case the pop up box gets missed on a PC with a busy desktop and the OP wonders why WSJT-X has stopped responding. If there is any extra testing needed to chase this down,, I am happy to provide as much detail as I can muster. Regards, Peter Sumner, VK5PJ from down under -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Tnx Jay and Larry -- Very helpful! -- Joe, K1JT On 9/23/2017 8:00 AM, Jay Hainline wrote: Larry K0TPP and I made another test this morning. We were both using r8111. We ran on both msk144 and ft8 on 6 meters. The window pop up appears to be working correctly now when the CQ station is in contest mode and the answering station is not. We also ran where the station CQing is not in contest mode and the answering station is. When I received Larry's signal report, I sent R EN40. Then Larry got the pop up message asking to switch to contest mode. So I think it is working as it should. 73 Jay KA9CFD -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: September 22, 2017 17:50 To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Jay, Larry, George, and all, Revision r8105 is another attempt at eliminating all potential causes of confusion when one party has checked NA VHF Contest Mode and the other has not. Please find someone else with whom you can test this feature and report you results here -- if possible, using both MSK144 and FT8. Both stations must be running r8105. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Larry K0TPP and I made another test this morning. We were both using r8111. We ran on both msk144 and ft8 on 6 meters. The window pop up appears to be working correctly now when the CQ station is in contest mode and the answering station is not. We also ran where the station CQing is not in contest mode and the answering station is. When I received Larry's signal report, I sent R EN40. Then Larry got the pop up message asking to switch to contest mode. So I think it is working as it should. 73 Jay KA9CFD -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: September 22, 2017 17:50 To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Jay, Larry, George, and all, Revision r8105 is another attempt at eliminating all potential causes of confusion when one party has checked NA VHF Contest Mode and the other has not. Please find someone else with whom you can test this feature and report you results here -- if possible, using both MSK144 and FT8. Both stations must be running r8105. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
I was running 8101 as well, George. Jim S. N2ADV On 9/22/2017 1:19 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Same experience last night with N2ADV on FT8. I called him in contest mode, which did not seem to advance the sequence. When I switched back to “normal,” the sequence progressed. My version 8101. Not sure about Jim (but know he is on this list). George J Molnar, KF2T Nevada, USA On Sep 22, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Larry Davis <mailto:k0...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote: yes we were using msk On Friday, September 22, 2017 7:23 AM, Jay Hainline mailto:ka9...@mtcnow.net>> wrote: Yes we were both using 8101 and msk144 mode. We did not try ft8. Sorry I forgot to mention it. Jay KA9CFD Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone Original message From: Joe Taylor mailto:j...@princeton.edu>> Date: 9/22/17 07:16 (GMT-06:00) To: WSJT software development <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>, Steven Franke mailto:s.j.fra...@icloud.com>> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Steve, On 9/22/2017 8:12 AM, Steven Franke wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t this prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? Yes, it seems that must be so. Maybe Jay and Larry were using MSK144? -- Joe -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org <http://Slashdot.org>! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org <http://Slashdot.org>! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org <http://Slashdot.org>! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- 73, Jim S. N2ADV www.qrz.com/db/N2ADV https://www.facebook.com/groups/FT8.Digital.Mode/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
On 9/21/2017 12:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" means. Test all possibilities, and report back. Thanks for your attention to this -- it's critical for contest operation to be able to interchangeably work both stations who are using contest mode and those who are not. It's been my experience that at least a very large part of the likelihood of being able to work a grid is the presence of a station there to work when the propagation is there. WSJT-X, both before and after FT8, was almost single-handedly responsible for allowing me to work 146 grids so far this season, 39 of them new grids, and all but four using WSJT-X. While it may be difficult to implement, it's also important that newer releases be backward-compatible with earlier 1.8 releases to the greatest extent possible. Something as simple as a software switch on the main operating screen to switch back to non-contest operation on the fly would solve that. 73, Jim K9YC -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi Jay, Larry, George, and all, Revision r8105 is another attempt at eliminating all potential causes of confusion when one party has checked NA VHF Contest Mode and the other has not. Please find someone else with whom you can test this feature and report you results here -- if possible, using both MSK144 and FT8. Both stations must be running r8105. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
PS: The tests need to be made on a VHF band, 50+ MHz. On 9/22/2017 1:49 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: Hi Jay, Larry, George, and all, Revision r8105 is another attempt at eliminating all potential causes of confusion when one party has checked NA VHF Contest Mode and the other has not. Please find someone else with whom you can test this feature and report you results here -- if possible, using both MSK144 and FT8. Both stations must be running r8105. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Same experience last night with N2ADV on FT8. I called him in contest mode, which did not seem to advance the sequence. When I switched back to “normal,” the sequence progressed. My version 8101. Not sure about Jim (but know he is on this list). George J Molnar, KF2T Nevada, USA > On Sep 22, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Larry Davis wrote: > > yes we were using msk > > > On Friday, September 22, 2017 7:23 AM, Jay Hainline wrote: > > > Yes we were both using 8101 and msk144 mode. We did not try ft8. Sorry I > forgot to mention it. > > Jay KA9CFD > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone > > Original message > From: Joe Taylor > Date: 9/22/17 07:16 (GMT-06:00) > To: WSJT software development , Steven > Franke > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode > > Hi Steve, > > On 9/22/2017 8:12 AM, Steven Franke wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > > > Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* > > called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t > > this prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? > > Yes, it seems that must be so. Maybe Jay and Larry were using MSK144? > > -- Joe > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > http://sdm.link/slashdot___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
yes we were using msk On Friday, September 22, 2017 7:23 AM, Jay Hainline wrote: Yes we were both using 8101 and msk144 mode. We did not try ft8. Sorry I forgot to mention it. Jay KA9CFD Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone Original message From: Joe Taylor Date: 9/22/17 07:16 (GMT-06:00) To: WSJT software development , Steven Franke Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Steve, On 9/22/2017 8:12 AM, Steven Franke wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* > called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t this > prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? Yes, it seems that must be so. Maybe Jay and Larry were using MSK144? -- Joe -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Yes we were both using 8101 and msk144 mode. We did not try ft8. Sorry I forgot to mention it. Jay KA9CFD Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone Original message From: Joe Taylor Date: 9/22/17 07:16 (GMT-06:00) To: WSJT software development , Steven Franke Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Steve, On 9/22/2017 8:12 AM, Steven Franke wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* > called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t this > prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? Yes, it seems that must be so. Maybe Jay and Larry were using MSK144? -- Joe -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi Steve, On 9/22/2017 8:12 AM, Steven Franke wrote: Hi Joe, Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t this prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? Yes, it seems that must be so. Maybe Jay and Larry were using MSK144? -- Joe -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi Joe, Recall that MSK144 is configured such that fix_contest_msg is *always* called, independent of whether or not the contest box is checked. Won’t this prevent the contest-mode prompt from being triggered in that mode? Steve k9an > On Sep 20, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: > > Hi all, > > As an experiment, code revision r8101 in the WSJT-X development branch > includes several changes to the way *NA VHF Contest Mode* is implemented. > The goal is to obviate any cause for confusion (e.g., implausible grid > squares being diaplayed) when one station uses Contest Mode and the QSO > partner does not. > > Here are a few details. > > 1. First, remember that NA VHF Contest Mode applies only to the FT8 and > MSK144 protocols, where speed in completing a minimal QSO is especially > important. (Of course, you can also make contest QSOs using JT4, JT9, JT65, > or QRA64, but they generally take longer.) > > 2. The checkbox to activate Contest Mode has been moved from the *Settings -> > Advanced* tab to the main screen. > > 3. If you're operating in FT8 or MSK144 mode on a VHF+ band and the locator > in a decoded message seems to imply a distance greater than 10,000 km, the > program will prompt you to activate Contest Mode. > > - Click *YES* if you're making a contest QSO but forgot to activate >Contest Mode. > > - Click NO if you really are luck enough to be working a JA, VK, or >whatever. > > The program will prompt you only once. > > If you are interested in VHF contesting and able to build WSJT-X for > yourself, please give it a try and report your findings here. > > -- Joe, K1JT > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Jay: were both of you using r8101 or later? -- Joe, K1JT On 9/22/2017 7:03 AM, Jay Hainline wrote: I ran a test with K0TPP. K0TPP called CQ with VHF Contest box checkmarked. I answered him with it unchecked sending TX1. The program decoded his R EM48 ok but I did not receive a pop up window prompt and the auto sequence did not advance beyond sending TX1. 73 Jay KA9CFD -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: September 20, 2017 19:48 To: WSJT Software Development Subject: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi all, As an experiment, code revision r8101 in the WSJT-X development branch includes several changes to the way *NA VHF Contest Mode* is implemented. The goal is to obviate any cause for confusion (e.g., implausible grid squares being diaplayed) when one station uses Contest Mode and the QSO partner does not. Here are a few details. 1. First, remember that NA VHF Contest Mode applies only to the FT8 and MSK144 protocols, where speed in completing a minimal QSO is especially important. (Of course, you can also make contest QSOs using JT4, JT9, JT65, or QRA64, but they generally take longer.) 2. The checkbox to activate Contest Mode has been moved from the *Settings -> Advanced* tab to the main screen. 3. If you're operating in FT8 or MSK144 mode on a VHF+ band and the locator in a decoded message seems to imply a distance greater than 10,000 km, the program will prompt you to activate Contest Mode. - Click *YES* if you're making a contest QSO but forgot to activate Contest Mode. - Click NO if you really are luck enough to be working a JA, VK, or whatever. The program will prompt you only once. If you are interested in VHF contesting and able to build WSJT-X for yourself, please give it a try and report your findings here. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
I ran a test with K0TPP. K0TPP called CQ with VHF Contest box checkmarked. I answered him with it unchecked sending TX1. The program decoded his R EM48 ok but I did not receive a pop up window prompt and the auto sequence did not advance beyond sending TX1. 73 Jay KA9CFD -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: September 20, 2017 19:48 To: WSJT Software Development Subject: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi all, As an experiment, code revision r8101 in the WSJT-X development branch includes several changes to the way *NA VHF Contest Mode* is implemented. The goal is to obviate any cause for confusion (e.g., implausible grid squares being diaplayed) when one station uses Contest Mode and the QSO partner does not. Here are a few details. 1. First, remember that NA VHF Contest Mode applies only to the FT8 and MSK144 protocols, where speed in completing a minimal QSO is especially important. (Of course, you can also make contest QSOs using JT4, JT9, JT65, or QRA64, but they generally take longer.) 2. The checkbox to activate Contest Mode has been moved from the *Settings -> Advanced* tab to the main screen. 3. If you're operating in FT8 or MSK144 mode on a VHF+ band and the locator in a decoded message seems to imply a distance greater than 10,000 km, the program will prompt you to activate Contest Mode. - Click *YES* if you're making a contest QSO but forgot to activate Contest Mode. - Click NO if you really are luck enough to be working a JA, VK, or whatever. The program will prompt you only once. If you are interested in VHF contesting and able to build WSJT-X for yourself, please give it a try and report your findings here. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 2:14 PM, James Shaver wrote: > > Drop me a note, George, we can find a semi-empty corner of a band :) Same here, George. Gary - AG0N -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
You bet, Joe. George J Molnar, CEM, CHPP KF2T - Nevada, USA > On Sep 21, 2017, at 1:14 PM, James Shaver wrote: > > Drop me a note, George, we can find a semi-empty corner of a band :) > > Jim S. > > N2ADV > > >> On 9/21/2017 4:05 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: >> Hi George, >> >>> On 9/21/2017 3:56 PM, George J Molnar wrote: >>> Joe, would absolutely not remove sh - it’s incredibly useful. My intention >>> was to say the term should be written as a full word (e.g. “Shorthand”), >>> not deleted. >> >> RR, understood. Can you find someone with whom to do stress tests of >> contest mode? >> >> -- Joe >> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: Hi George, > On 9/21/2017 3:31 PM, George J Molnar wrote: > Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good > idea. > Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and > alignment, so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and > maybe NA VHF Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With > appropriate tooltips, think it should be okay. Thanks for the feedback. A little GUI cleanup is indeed desirable. Why would you remove "Sh"? In mSK144 mode it's widely used at 144 MHz and higher. What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" means. Test all possibilities, and report back. -- Joe, K1JT >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > -- > 73, > > Jim S. > N2ADV > www.qrz.com/db/N2ADV > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FT8.Digital.Mode/ > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Drop me a note, George, we can find a semi-empty corner of a band :) Jim S. N2ADV On 9/21/2017 4:05 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: Hi George, On 9/21/2017 3:56 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Joe, would absolutely not remove sh - it’s incredibly useful. My intention was to say the term should be written as a full word (e.g. “Shorthand”), not deleted. RR, understood. Can you find someone with whom to do stress tests of contest mode? -- Joe On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: Hi George, On 9/21/2017 3:31 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good idea. Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and alignment, so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and maybe NA VHF Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With appropriate tooltips, think it should be okay. Thanks for the feedback. A little GUI cleanup is indeed desirable. Why would you remove "Sh"? In mSK144 mode it's widely used at 144 MHz and higher. What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" means. Test all possibilities, and report back. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- 73, Jim S. N2ADV www.qrz.com/db/N2ADV https://www.facebook.com/groups/FT8.Digital.Mode/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi George, On 9/21/2017 3:56 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Joe, would absolutely not remove sh - it’s incredibly useful. My intention was to say the term should be written as a full word (e.g. “Shorthand”), not deleted. RR, understood. Can you find someone with whom to do stress tests of contest mode? -- Joe On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: Hi George, On 9/21/2017 3:31 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good idea. Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and alignment, so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and maybe NA VHF Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With appropriate tooltips, think it should be okay. Thanks for the feedback. A little GUI cleanup is indeed desirable. Why would you remove "Sh"? In mSK144 mode it's widely used at 144 MHz and higher. What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" means. Test all possibilities, and report back. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Joe, would absolutely not remove sh - it’s incredibly useful. My intention was to say the term should be written as a full word (e.g. “Shorthand”), not deleted. George J Molnar, CEM, CHPP KF2T - Nevada, USA > On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Joe Taylor wrote: > > Hi George, > >> On 9/21/2017 3:31 PM, George J Molnar wrote: >> Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good idea. >> Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and alignment, >> so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and maybe NA VHF >> Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With appropriate tooltips, >> think it should be okay. > > Thanks for the feedback. A little GUI cleanup is indeed desirable. > > Why would you remove "Sh"? In mSK144 mode it's widely used at 144 MHz and > higher. > > What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and > thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is > that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might > or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" > means. Test all possibilities, and report back. > >-- Joe, K1JT > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi George, On 9/21/2017 3:31 PM, George J Molnar wrote: Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good idea. Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and alignment, so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and maybe NA VHF Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With appropriate tooltips, think it should be okay. Thanks for the feedback. A little GUI cleanup is indeed desirable. Why would you remove "Sh"? In mSK144 mode it's widely used at 144 MHz and higher. What would be *really* helpful is for you to work with someone else and thoroughly exercise the new capabilities. Both MSK144 and FT8. The idea is that one of you would be trying to make contest QSOs; the QSO partnet might or might not be in the contest, or know anything about what "Contest Mode" means. Test all possibilities, and report back. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Quick feedback on the repositioned contest mode checkbox. Bravo! Good idea. Before GA release, it might be helpful to clean up the labels and alignment, so everything flows smoothly. ”Sh” could be written out, and maybe NA VHF Contest could distill down to just “Contest.” With appropriate tooltips, think it should be okay. George J Molnar Nevada, USA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Ok Joe. Thanks for the explanation. 73 Jay KA9CFD Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone Original message From: Joe Taylor Date: 9/21/17 12:39 (GMT-06:00) To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi Jay, On 9/20/2017 5:08 PM, Jay Hainline wrote: > Joe and all. Curious because I am not a big contester. My understanding is > the reason for the extra coding is for producing the message sent for TX3 > with both calls plus R Grid. If it’s a problem with extra characters > involved, why can't you just condense the standard message to send a single > call of the station you are working with R Grid? Wouldn’t this save the > effort of having to use extra coding in the software for converting an odd > ball grid to something that makes sense? Then no matter if you are in contest > mode or not, everyone would see the same message. > > Example: > > Current TX3 message in contest mode: K1JT KA9CFD R EN40 > > Replace TX3 message transmitted by KA9CFD: K1JT R EN40 > > Rational: A CQ with one call has already been sent, and response has been > received with both calls and a grid by the time TX3 is ready to be sent. Yes, we could co it that way. But... 1. The message "K1JT R EN40" is not a standard JT-style structured message. It will be transmitted as free text, but the MSK144/FT8 auto-sequencer will not process it correctly. To avoid other potential problems, it insists on finding both calls in a valid auto-sequenced message. 2. MSK144 QSOs often take place on a time-shared channel with pings from several different stations being decoded in the same 15 s interval. As many as several dozen FT8 transmissions are often decoded in a single interval. When both callsigns appear in nearly every transmission it's easy to keep track of what's going on, and who's working whom. With just one callsign in a message this is much harder -- both for those listening in and for the auto-sequencer. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi Jay, On 9/20/2017 5:08 PM, Jay Hainline wrote: Joe and all. Curious because I am not a big contester. My understanding is the reason for the extra coding is for producing the message sent for TX3 with both calls plus R Grid. If it’s a problem with extra characters involved, why can't you just condense the standard message to send a single call of the station you are working with R Grid? Wouldn’t this save the effort of having to use extra coding in the software for converting an odd ball grid to something that makes sense? Then no matter if you are in contest mode or not, everyone would see the same message. Example: Current TX3 message in contest mode: K1JT KA9CFD R EN40 Replace TX3 message transmitted by KA9CFD: K1JT R EN40 Rational: A CQ with one call has already been sent, and response has been received with both calls and a grid by the time TX3 is ready to be sent. Yes, we could co it that way. But... 1. The message "K1JT R EN40" is not a standard JT-style structured message. It will be transmitted as free text, but the MSK144/FT8 auto-sequencer will not process it correctly. To avoid other potential problems, it insists on finding both calls in a valid auto-sequenced message. 2. MSK144 QSOs often take place on a time-shared channel with pings from several different stations being decoded in the same 15 s interval. As many as several dozen FT8 transmissions are often decoded in a single interval. When both callsigns appear in nearly every transmission it's easy to keep track of what's going on, and who's working whom. With just one callsign in a message this is much harder -- both for those listening in and for the auto-sequencer. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Joe and all. Curious because I am not a big contester. My understanding is the reason for the extra coding is for producing the message sent for TX3 with both calls plus R Grid. If it’s a problem with extra characters involved, why can't you just condense the standard message to send a single call of the station you are working with R Grid? Wouldn’t this save the effort of having to use extra coding in the software for converting an odd ball grid to something that makes sense? Then no matter if you are in contest mode or not, everyone would see the same message. Example: Current TX3 message in contest mode: K1JT KA9CFD R EN40 Replace TX3 message transmitted by KA9CFD: K1JT R EN40 Rational: A CQ with one call has already been sent, and response has been received with both calls and a grid by the time TX3 is ready to be sent. Thanks again for an amazing piece of software. On a side note, I received for the first time this morning a VK4 on 630m WSPR just right before my Sunrise. Wow! I was wondering if any plans are coming to continue work on a WSPR-LF mode that I saw in the spring before the FT8 craze. 😊 73 Jay KA9CFD -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: September 20, 2017 19:48 To: WSJT Software Development Subject: [wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode Hi all, As an experiment, code revision r8101 in the WSJT-X development branch includes several changes to the way *NA VHF Contest Mode* is implemented. The goal is to obviate any cause for confusion (e.g., implausible grid squares being diaplayed) when one station uses Contest Mode and the QSO partner does not. Here are a few details. 1. First, remember that NA VHF Contest Mode applies only to the FT8 and MSK144 protocols, where speed in completing a minimal QSO is especially important. (Of course, you can also make contest QSOs using JT4, JT9, JT65, or QRA64, but they generally take longer.) 2. The checkbox to activate Contest Mode has been moved from the *Settings -> Advanced* tab to the main screen. 3. If you're operating in FT8 or MSK144 mode on a VHF+ band and the locator in a decoded message seems to imply a distance greater than 10,000 km, the program will prompt you to activate Contest Mode. - Click *YES* if you're making a contest QSO but forgot to activate Contest Mode. - Click NO if you really are luck enough to be working a JA, VK, or whatever. The program will prompt you only once. If you are interested in VHF contesting and able to build WSJT-X for yourself, please give it a try and report your findings here. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] NA VHF Contest Mode
Hi all, As an experiment, code revision r8101 in the WSJT-X development branch includes several changes to the way *NA VHF Contest Mode* is implemented. The goal is to obviate any cause for confusion (e.g., implausible grid squares being diaplayed) when one station uses Contest Mode and the QSO partner does not. Here are a few details. 1. First, remember that NA VHF Contest Mode applies only to the FT8 and MSK144 protocols, where speed in completing a minimal QSO is especially important. (Of course, you can also make contest QSOs using JT4, JT9, JT65, or QRA64, but they generally take longer.) 2. The checkbox to activate Contest Mode has been moved from the *Settings -> Advanced* tab to the main screen. 3. If you're operating in FT8 or MSK144 mode on a VHF+ band and the locator in a decoded message seems to imply a distance greater than 10,000 km, the program will prompt you to activate Contest Mode. - Click *YES* if you're making a contest QSO but forgot to activate Contest Mode. - Click NO if you really are luck enough to be working a JA, VK, or whatever. The program will prompt you only once. If you are interested in VHF contesting and able to build WSJT-X for yourself, please give it a try and report your findings here. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
