Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-05-12 Thread John Stoffel

Ulrich> There a occasional problems with clipboard when using
Ulrich> Windows. This is most like a bug in the Vcxsrv we ship which
Ulrich> has not been identified yet. However, I never heard of the
Ulrich> clipboard not working at all. 

A common problem I see is that when I copy and paste from the Linux
side (Fedora 28-29) and then paste into Windows 10, I get chinese
characters.  Which makes me think it's a UTF8 mismatch somewhere.

Ulrich> You could try using the built-in Xserver of Mobaxterm and
Ulrich> check if the problems persist.

I'll see what I can do next week when I find the time.  
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ulrich Sibiller
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:21 PM James M. Pulver  wrote:
>
> The same way FLOSS syncthing keeps a text file in sync across N
> different systems, OSs, etc? I mean, it's usually a specialized product,
> but being as both are FLOSS, I guess someone could spend time to
> integrate either the tech just for clipboard, or hack something together
> with a text file that is synced and then the X2Go client puts whatevers
> in the text file into the clipboard on the computer it's running on?
>
> Of course, that's a lot of work, and I'm just being slightly flippant.
>
> I often work around clipboard sync issues (hello freerdp) with a shared
> text file that I overwrite wherever and then copy paste "locally".

Yes, xfreerdp is constantly breaking clipboard...

Having such a second clipboard sync mechanism looks easy at first
glance. But you somehow need to integrate with existing clipboard, and
that's where the problems begin (again).

Uli
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ulrich Sibiller
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 4:32 PM Stefan Baur  wrote:
>
> Am 27.03.19 um 16:30 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:
> >> You did notice that he said he's trying to mirror a physical display,
> >> right?  Was clipboard sharing ever supported there?  I don't think so ...
> > Sorry, I missed that. Well, I don't know if it is supported there. Must 
> > check.
>
> How would you even keep 4 clipboards (User's client, actual X2Go
> session, support person's client, shadow X2Go Session) in sync?  Sounds
> like a nightmare to begin with.

Well, in principle it is simple. I reality it's not. The problems are manyfold:
- there are several types of clipboard (PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD,
CutBuffers). Not all platforms support all types. So you have to sync
them somehow which - in the past - proved to go wrong sometimes.
- there are differences in the type of clipboard content that can be
handled on different platforms
- we have not yet included the INCR message type yet so the maximum
clipboard size is currently limited
- clipboard managers offten disturb the communication at some point.
Some platforms and frameworks include clipboard managers that cannot
be disabled
- bugs in X servers do not help
- debugging is difficult/complicated as always multiple
windows/clipboard owners are involved
- there's also a multi-stage protocol between nxagent and nxproxy for
clipboard transfer
- understanding the existing clipboard code is complicated.

Anyone is invited to help here!

Uli
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread James M. Pulver
The same way FLOSS syncthing keeps a text file in sync across N 
different systems, OSs, etc? I mean, it's usually a specialized product, 
but being as both are FLOSS, I guess someone could spend time to 
integrate either the tech just for clipboard, or hack something together 
with a text file that is synced and then the X2Go client puts whatevers 
in the text file into the clipboard on the computer it's running on?


Of course, that's a lot of work, and I'm just being slightly flippant.

I often work around clipboard sync issues (hello freerdp) with a shared 
text file that I overwrite wherever and then copy paste "locally".


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James Pulver
CLASSE Computer Group
Cornell University

On 3/27/19 11:32 AM, Stefan Baur wrote:

Am 27.03.19 um 16:30 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:

You did notice that he said he's trying to mirror a physical display,
right?  Was clipboard sharing ever supported there?  I don't think so ...

Sorry, I missed that. Well, I don't know if it is supported there. Must check.


How would you even keep 4 clipboards (User's client, actual X2Go
session, support person's client, shadow X2Go Session) in sync?  Sounds
like a nightmare to begin with.

-Stefan


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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Stefan Baur
Am 27.03.19 um 16:30 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:
>> You did notice that he said he's trying to mirror a physical display,
>> right?  Was clipboard sharing ever supported there?  I don't think so ...
> Sorry, I missed that. Well, I don't know if it is supported there. Must check.

How would you even keep 4 clipboards (User's client, actual X2Go
session, support person's client, shadow X2Go Session) in sync?  Sounds
like a nightmare to begin with.

-Stefan

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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ulrich Sibiller
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:14 PM Stefan Baur  wrote:
> You did notice that he said he's trying to mirror a physical display,
> right?  Was clipboard sharing ever supported there?  I don't think so ...

Sorry, I missed that. Well, I don't know if it is supported there. Must check.

Uli
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ingo Brückl
Ulrich Sibiller  wrote on Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:51:35 
+0100:

> Hmm, maybe clipboard is disabled in /etc/x2go/x2goagent.options. Please
> check!

X2GO_NXAGENT_DEFAULT_OPTIONS+=" -clipboard both" was commented, but no change
after activating it.

> What path did the installer put into the registry?

C:/Program Files/VcXsrv/vcxsrv.exe, but my installation is in
C:/Program Files/x2goclient/ and thus vcxsrv.exe in
C:/Program Files/x2goclient/VcXsrv/. (I don't remember whether I changed the
installation directory (probably not) or whether it's the default anyway.)

> Another question: do you run some kind of clipboard manager on Linux
> and/or Windows?

Nope. Pure X and Windows.

Ingo
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Stefan Baur
Am 27.03.19 um 13:44 schrieb Ingo Brückl:
> Trying to use the shipped Vcxsrv results in a client start-up error ("Can't
> start X.Org-Server. Please check your installation.") which immediately shuts
> down the client disabling to change the setting again. :-(
> 
> After fixing this problem in the registry (wrong default path to vcxsrv.exe
> by the installation routine) the problem persists. Clipboard does not work.

Please let us know which edition of Windows you are using, the
drive/directory where you *tried* to install X2GoClient, and the
drive/directory where X2GoClient believed it would find VcXsrv.

-Stefan

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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Stefan Baur
Am 27.03.19 um 14:51 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:25 PM Ingo Brückl  wrote:
>>
>> Ulrich Sibiller  wrote on Wed, 27 Mar 2019 
>> 07:40:22 +0100:
>>
>>> There a occasional problems with clipboard when using Windows. This is
>>> most like a bug in the Vcxsrv we ship which has not been identified yet.
>>> However, I never heard of the clipboard not working at all.
>>
>> So I guess I'm supposed to simply do an Edit->Copy in the server session
>> window of - let's say - Linux' Leadpad and an Edit->Paste in Windows' native
>> Notepad then, for example? Does not work.
> 
> Hmm, maybe clipboard is disabled in /etc/x2go/x2goagent.options. Please check!

You did notice that he said he's trying to mirror a physical display,
right?  Was clipboard sharing ever supported there?  I don't think so ...

-Stefan

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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ulrich Sibiller
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:25 PM Ingo Brückl  wrote:
>
> Ulrich Sibiller  wrote on Wed, 27 Mar 2019 
> 07:40:22 +0100:
>
> > There a occasional problems with clipboard when using Windows. This is
> > most like a bug in the Vcxsrv we ship which has not been identified yet.
> > However, I never heard of the clipboard not working at all.
>
> So I guess I'm supposed to simply do an Edit->Copy in the server session
> window of - let's say - Linux' Leadpad and an Edit->Paste in Windows' native
> Notepad then, for example? Does not work.

Hmm, maybe clipboard is disabled in /etc/x2go/x2goagent.options. Please check!

> > You could try using the built-in Xserver of Mobaxterm and check if the
> > problems persist.
>
> I'm using this one.
>
> Trying to use the shipped Vcxsrv results in a client start-up error ("Can't
> start X.Org-Server. Please check your installation.") which immediately shuts
> down the client disabling to change the setting again. :-(
>
> After fixing this problem in the registry (wrong default path to vcxsrv.exe
> by the installation routine) the problem persists. Clipboard does not work.

What path did the installer put into the registry?

Another question: do you run some kind of clipboard manager on Linux
and/or Windows?

Uli
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ingo Brückl
Ulrich Sibiller  wrote on Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:40:22 
+0100:

> There a occasional problems with clipboard when using Windows. This is
> most like a bug in the Vcxsrv we ship which has not been identified yet.
> However, I never heard of the clipboard not working at all.

So I guess I'm supposed to simply do an Edit->Copy in the server session
window of - let's say - Linux' Leadpad and an Edit->Paste in Windows' native
Notepad then, for example? Does not work.

> You could try using the built-in Xserver of Mobaxterm and check if the
> problems persist.

I'm using this one.

Trying to use the shipped Vcxsrv results in a client start-up error ("Can't
start X.Org-Server. Please check your installation.") which immediately shuts
down the client disabling to change the setting again. :-(

After fixing this problem in the registry (wrong default path to vcxsrv.exe
by the installation routine) the problem persists. Clipboard does not work.

Ingo
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Re: [X2Go-User] Clipboard doesn't work?

2019-03-27 Thread Ulrich Sibiller
There a occasional problems with clipboard when using Windows. This is most
like a bug in the Vcxsrv we ship which has not been identified yet.
However, I never heard of the clipboard not working at all.

You could try using the built-in Xserver of Mobaxterm and check if the
problems persist.

Uli

Ingo Brückl  schrieb am Mi., 27. März 2019, 05:36:

> Hi,
>
> Is there an issue with the clipboard between a Windows client (v4.1.2.0)
> using the integrated X-Server and a connection to a local desktop on a
> Linux server (v4.1.0.3)?
>
> Whatever I tried, I wasn't able to copy or paste any data between them.
>
> What am I supposed to exactly do to use the clipboard? It is set up for
> bidirectional copy and paste, btw.
>
> Ingo
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