Re: Discussion Proposal: Specifications about panels and widgets
On 07/11/2018 20:23, IFo Hancroft wrote: > What I am hoping to achieve with this, is widget and panel interoperability. > While this is possibly technically possible it would really require every desktop rewriting there widgets / panels to use the same modular plugin system, this would be much more complex given that currently even basic things like strings are done completely differently between toolkits it would be huge amounts of extra work with significant performance decreases, you then also need to look at sandboxing because a problem enlightenment has found is if your using C modules for this and one crashes it will tend to crash the whole desktop. So while this is technically possible I don't see any desktop developers agreeing then implementing something. > On 11/05/2018 02:54 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 13:05:24 +0200, IFo Hancroft wrote: >>> It is not agreed on whether a panel should provide the taskbar/task >>> manager, menu, tray, widgets. >> This is a UX design question. If one desktop environment's designers >> think there should be a panel with a list of running applications (a >> taskbar), and another desktop environment's designers think there should >> not, then they are not going to agree on a specification that tries to >> require or forbid a taskbar: at least one set of designers would object >> to that specification. >> >> Desktop environments have different UI/UX designs, and that's a good >> thing, because different users have different preferences for the UI/UX >> they want to use. Some people want a panel with a taskbar, and they should >> choose a desktop environment that (at least optionally) provides one. >> Other people don't want a panel with a taskbar, and they should choose >> a desktop environment that (at least optionally) doesn't provide one. >> >> Similar considerations apply to various other UI/UX features. >> >> What is it that you aim for desktop environments to agree on? >> >> One of the major topics for freedesktop.org is arranging that an >> application that wants to do something can use the same code for multiple >> desktop environments (for instance, an application can get itself listed >> among other applications by installing a single .desktop file that works >> approximately the same in GNOME, KDE, etc., instead of having to install >> a .gnomeapp file and a .kdeapp file and so on). What application-facing >> functionality do you aim to standardize? >> >> (In particular, when an application installs a .desktop file, there is >> no guarantee that it will be presented in the same way in all desktop >> environments: KDE shows it among other apps in a hierarchical menu, >> whereas GNOME shows it among other apps in a flat, searchable list in >> the overview. Both are equally acceptable from the point of view of >> the Desktop Entry specification, and whether you prefer KDE's design or >> GNOME's design should be a factor in whether you choose to use KDE or >> GNOME or something else.) >> >> smcv >> ___ >> xdg mailing list >> xdg@lists.freedesktop.org >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > > ___ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > -- Simon Lees (Simotek)http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Discussion Proposal: Specifications about panels and widgets
What I am hoping to achieve with this, is widget and panel interoperability. On 11/05/2018 02:54 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 13:05:24 +0200, IFo Hancroft wrote: >> It is not agreed on whether a panel should provide the taskbar/task >> manager, menu, tray, widgets. > This is a UX design question. If one desktop environment's designers > think there should be a panel with a list of running applications (a > taskbar), and another desktop environment's designers think there should > not, then they are not going to agree on a specification that tries to > require or forbid a taskbar: at least one set of designers would object > to that specification. > > Desktop environments have different UI/UX designs, and that's a good > thing, because different users have different preferences for the UI/UX > they want to use. Some people want a panel with a taskbar, and they should > choose a desktop environment that (at least optionally) provides one. > Other people don't want a panel with a taskbar, and they should choose > a desktop environment that (at least optionally) doesn't provide one. > > Similar considerations apply to various other UI/UX features. > > What is it that you aim for desktop environments to agree on? > > One of the major topics for freedesktop.org is arranging that an > application that wants to do something can use the same code for multiple > desktop environments (for instance, an application can get itself listed > among other applications by installing a single .desktop file that works > approximately the same in GNOME, KDE, etc., instead of having to install > a .gnomeapp file and a .kdeapp file and so on). What application-facing > functionality do you aim to standardize? > > (In particular, when an application installs a .desktop file, there is > no guarantee that it will be presented in the same way in all desktop > environments: KDE shows it among other apps in a hierarchical menu, > whereas GNOME shows it among other apps in a flat, searchable list in > the overview. Both are equally acceptable from the point of view of > the Desktop Entry specification, and whether you prefer KDE's design or > GNOME's design should be a factor in whether you choose to use KDE or > GNOME or something else.) > > smcv > ___ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Discussion Proposal: Specifications about panels and widgets
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 13:05:24 +0200, IFo Hancroft wrote: > It is not agreed on whether a panel should provide the taskbar/task > manager, menu, tray, widgets. This is a UX design question. If one desktop environment's designers think there should be a panel with a list of running applications (a taskbar), and another desktop environment's designers think there should not, then they are not going to agree on a specification that tries to require or forbid a taskbar: at least one set of designers would object to that specification. Desktop environments have different UI/UX designs, and that's a good thing, because different users have different preferences for the UI/UX they want to use. Some people want a panel with a taskbar, and they should choose a desktop environment that (at least optionally) provides one. Other people don't want a panel with a taskbar, and they should choose a desktop environment that (at least optionally) doesn't provide one. Similar considerations apply to various other UI/UX features. What is it that you aim for desktop environments to agree on? One of the major topics for freedesktop.org is arranging that an application that wants to do something can use the same code for multiple desktop environments (for instance, an application can get itself listed among other applications by installing a single .desktop file that works approximately the same in GNOME, KDE, etc., instead of having to install a .gnomeapp file and a .kdeapp file and so on). What application-facing functionality do you aim to standardize? (In particular, when an application installs a .desktop file, there is no guarantee that it will be presented in the same way in all desktop environments: KDE shows it among other apps in a hierarchical menu, whereas GNOME shows it among other apps in a flat, searchable list in the overview. Both are equally acceptable from the point of view of the Desktop Entry specification, and whether you prefer KDE's design or GNOME's design should be a factor in whether you choose to use KDE or GNOME or something else.) smcv ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Discussion Proposal: Specifications about panels and widgets
Hello, I would like to start a discussion whether there should be a specifications regarding panels and widgets. I think there should be and my reasons to have this view are the following: 1. It is not agreed on whether a panel should provide the taskbar/task manager, menu, tray, widgets. 2. Widgets among panels and in general are not interchangable. For example, KDE's panel widgets can also be put on the desktop. 3. Should panel and desktop widgets be a different thing? What do you think? Best Regards, IFo Hancroft ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
