Re: couple questions about menu spec
Jordan Mantha wrote in Tue 06/12 2007 at 10:53 -0700: > I'm afraid I don't really see the problem. Right now .desktops with a > Science category are supposed to have the Education main category as > well. This means in Gnome the science apps show up in the Education menu > and in KDE I believe they go into Education->Science. If Science was > promoted to a main category in the spec then we could just drop > Education from the list of categories. As this issue appears again and again, I have entered it to the Bugzilla: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186 -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbra...@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz/ ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
RE: couple questions about menu spec
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 07:36 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Bastian, Waldo wrote: > > >> If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't > > support > Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" > > > > Yes, that was the intention of the spec, unfortunately that doesn't work > > on any of the Redhat distributions. > > You mean Fedora/Redhat + gnome, I assume. :) > I'm pretty sure it'll work with Fedora 7, actually. We essentially shipping upstream gnome menu files now. But I haven't tried. ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
RE: couple questions about menu spec
Bastian, Waldo wrote: >> If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't > support > Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" > > Yes, that was the intention of the spec, unfortunately that doesn't work > on any of the Redhat distributions. You mean Fedora/Redhat + gnome, I assume. :) -- Rex ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
RE: couple questions about menu spec
Excellent, thanks Vincent! Cheers, Waldo Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:05 PM To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: couple questions about menu spec It seems that Vincent Untz has recently fixed the "Application" category bug in gnome recently [0]. It seems to be fixed in 2.19.2 anyway. Of course that doesn't help people with older versions of Gnome though. I'll try to work up a patch soonish and send it to the list for more discussion, thanks. -Jordan Mantha [0] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331142 Bastian, Waldo wrote: >> If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't > support > Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" > > Yes, that was the intention of the spec, unfortunately that doesn't work > on any of the Redhat distributions. I notice that it does work if you > add the undocumented category "Application" so I guess it would work to > make a Science a main category with the additional requirement that > applications must also provide "Application" as category. Feel free to > send a patch against > http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.xml to the list > for review. > > Cheers, > Waldo > > Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, > Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:53 AM > To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: Re: couple questions about menu spec > > I'm afraid I don't really see the problem. Right now .desktops with a > Science category are supposed to have the Education main category as > well. This means in Gnome the science apps show up in the Education menu > and in KDE I believe they go into Education->Science. If Science was > promoted to a main category in the spec then we could just drop > Education from the list of categories. If the .desktop is installed on > an older Gnome system that didn't support Science as a main category it > would get dumped into "Other" and I believe a similar thing happens in > KDE. In general however, I don't see this being that big of an issue. I > would think that the new category would be picked up by Gnome, KDE, etc. > fairly quickly, even before many software authors would pick up the > changes. So to me the upgrade path is: update fd.o spec -> DEs pick up > the change -> software authors and distros change .desktops . I suppose > during the transition period there will surely be some small number of > .desktop on older systems that get dumped into Other or worst-case just > don't appear, but science apps in general haven't adopted .desktops very > well yet so I don't really see this as a big problem. > > It would seem odd to me to have a specification in which no adjustments > can be made. > > Thoughts? > > -Jordan Mantha > > Bastian, Waldo wrote: >> The general problem with adding a main category is that on many older >> distributions that do not support such new main category yet, desktop >> files that use this new main category will not be shown at all. >> >> There is not really a good upgrade path. >> >> Cheers, >> Waldo >> >> Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, >> Oregon >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:26 PM >> To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org >> Subject: couple questions about menu spec >> >> Hello all, >> >> I've got two questions about the freedesktop.org Menu spec that'd I'd >> love to see clarified. >> 1) There are quite a number of scientific applications that are >> professional tools rather than educational tools. I've been asked > quite >> a few times why Science isn't a main category for menus. According to >> the spec .desktop files with Science in Categories must also have >> Education category also. I can understand that having too many Main >> categories could get messy, but I think there is a fairly significant >> distinction between Science (and Mathematics for that matter) >> applications used in education and those used for professional > research. >> So my question is, is there a reason Science couldn't become a main >> category? >> >> 2) The menu spec glossa
Re: couple questions about menu spec
It seems that Vincent Untz has recently fixed the "Application" category bug in gnome recently [0]. It seems to be fixed in 2.19.2 anyway. Of course that doesn't help people with older versions of Gnome though. I'll try to work up a patch soonish and send it to the list for more discussion, thanks. -Jordan Mantha [0] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331142 Bastian, Waldo wrote: >> If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't > support > Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" > > Yes, that was the intention of the spec, unfortunately that doesn't work > on any of the Redhat distributions. I notice that it does work if you > add the undocumented category "Application" so I guess it would work to > make a Science a main category with the additional requirement that > applications must also provide "Application" as category. Feel free to > send a patch against > http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.xml to the list > for review. > > Cheers, > Waldo > > Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, > Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:53 AM > To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: Re: couple questions about menu spec > > I'm afraid I don't really see the problem. Right now .desktops with a > Science category are supposed to have the Education main category as > well. This means in Gnome the science apps show up in the Education menu > and in KDE I believe they go into Education->Science. If Science was > promoted to a main category in the spec then we could just drop > Education from the list of categories. If the .desktop is installed on > an older Gnome system that didn't support Science as a main category it > would get dumped into "Other" and I believe a similar thing happens in > KDE. In general however, I don't see this being that big of an issue. I > would think that the new category would be picked up by Gnome, KDE, etc. > fairly quickly, even before many software authors would pick up the > changes. So to me the upgrade path is: update fd.o spec -> DEs pick up > the change -> software authors and distros change .desktops . I suppose > during the transition period there will surely be some small number of > .desktop on older systems that get dumped into Other or worst-case just > don't appear, but science apps in general haven't adopted .desktops very > well yet so I don't really see this as a big problem. > > It would seem odd to me to have a specification in which no adjustments > can be made. > > Thoughts? > > -Jordan Mantha > > Bastian, Waldo wrote: >> The general problem with adding a main category is that on many older >> distributions that do not support such new main category yet, desktop >> files that use this new main category will not be shown at all. >> >> There is not really a good upgrade path. >> >> Cheers, >> Waldo >> >> Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, >> Oregon >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:26 PM >> To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org >> Subject: couple questions about menu spec >> >> Hello all, >> >> I've got two questions about the freedesktop.org Menu spec that'd I'd >> love to see clarified. >> 1) There are quite a number of scientific applications that are >> professional tools rather than educational tools. I've been asked > quite >> a few times why Science isn't a main category for menus. According to >> the spec .desktop files with Science in Categories must also have >> Education category also. I can understand that having too many Main >> categories could get messy, but I think there is a fairly significant >> distinction between Science (and Mathematics for that matter) >> applications used in education and those used for professional > research. >> So my question is, is there a reason Science couldn't become a main >> category? >> >> 2) The menu spec glossary says that only .desktops of type Application >> are allowed for Desktop entries. I've got several cases where adding >> .desktops with type Link to menu structures is helpful. For instance > in >> educational setting, having links to websites related to the subject >> along with the applications is gre
RE: couple questions about menu spec
> If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't support > Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" Yes, that was the intention of the spec, unfortunately that doesn't work on any of the Redhat distributions. I notice that it does work if you add the undocumented category "Application" so I guess it would work to make a Science a main category with the additional requirement that applications must also provide "Application" as category. Feel free to send a patch against http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.xml to the list for review. Cheers, Waldo Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:53 AM To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: couple questions about menu spec I'm afraid I don't really see the problem. Right now .desktops with a Science category are supposed to have the Education main category as well. This means in Gnome the science apps show up in the Education menu and in KDE I believe they go into Education->Science. If Science was promoted to a main category in the spec then we could just drop Education from the list of categories. If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't support Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" and I believe a similar thing happens in KDE. In general however, I don't see this being that big of an issue. I would think that the new category would be picked up by Gnome, KDE, etc. fairly quickly, even before many software authors would pick up the changes. So to me the upgrade path is: update fd.o spec -> DEs pick up the change -> software authors and distros change .desktops . I suppose during the transition period there will surely be some small number of .desktop on older systems that get dumped into Other or worst-case just don't appear, but science apps in general haven't adopted .desktops very well yet so I don't really see this as a big problem. It would seem odd to me to have a specification in which no adjustments can be made. Thoughts? -Jordan Mantha Bastian, Waldo wrote: > The general problem with adding a main category is that on many older > distributions that do not support such new main category yet, desktop > files that use this new main category will not be shown at all. > > There is not really a good upgrade path. > > Cheers, > Waldo > > Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, > Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:26 PM > To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: couple questions about menu spec > > Hello all, > > I've got two questions about the freedesktop.org Menu spec that'd I'd > love to see clarified. > 1) There are quite a number of scientific applications that are > professional tools rather than educational tools. I've been asked quite > a few times why Science isn't a main category for menus. According to > the spec .desktop files with Science in Categories must also have > Education category also. I can understand that having too many Main > categories could get messy, but I think there is a fairly significant > distinction between Science (and Mathematics for that matter) > applications used in education and those used for professional research. > So my question is, is there a reason Science couldn't become a main > category? > > 2) The menu spec glossary says that only .desktops of type Application > are allowed for Desktop entries. I've got several cases where adding > .desktops with type Link to menu structures is helpful. For instance in > educational setting, having links to websites related to the subject > along with the applications is great for kids. You can imagine having > links to the Chemistry WebBook and Wolfram's MathWorld along with > science and math apps. Right now we can get around this by creating > .desktop files that execute a web browser with the desired URL, but I > think that it's not very intuitive. In Gnome, for instance, I find it a > bit inconsistent that you can have Type=Link .desktops on the desktop > but not in the menu. Any thoughts on feasibility? > > -Jordan Mantha > ___ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: couple questions about menu spec
I'm afraid I don't really see the problem. Right now .desktops with a Science category are supposed to have the Education main category as well. This means in Gnome the science apps show up in the Education menu and in KDE I believe they go into Education->Science. If Science was promoted to a main category in the spec then we could just drop Education from the list of categories. If the .desktop is installed on an older Gnome system that didn't support Science as a main category it would get dumped into "Other" and I believe a similar thing happens in KDE. In general however, I don't see this being that big of an issue. I would think that the new category would be picked up by Gnome, KDE, etc. fairly quickly, even before many software authors would pick up the changes. So to me the upgrade path is: update fd.o spec -> DEs pick up the change -> software authors and distros change .desktops . I suppose during the transition period there will surely be some small number of .desktop on older systems that get dumped into Other or worst-case just don't appear, but science apps in general haven't adopted .desktops very well yet so I don't really see this as a big problem. It would seem odd to me to have a specification in which no adjustments can be made. Thoughts? -Jordan Mantha Bastian, Waldo wrote: > The general problem with adding a main category is that on many older > distributions that do not support such new main category yet, desktop > files that use this new main category will not be shown at all. > > There is not really a good upgrade path. > > Cheers, > Waldo > > Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, > Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:26 PM > To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: couple questions about menu spec > > Hello all, > > I've got two questions about the freedesktop.org Menu spec that'd I'd > love to see clarified. > 1) There are quite a number of scientific applications that are > professional tools rather than educational tools. I've been asked quite > a few times why Science isn't a main category for menus. According to > the spec .desktop files with Science in Categories must also have > Education category also. I can understand that having too many Main > categories could get messy, but I think there is a fairly significant > distinction between Science (and Mathematics for that matter) > applications used in education and those used for professional research. > So my question is, is there a reason Science couldn't become a main > category? > > 2) The menu spec glossary says that only .desktops of type Application > are allowed for Desktop entries. I've got several cases where adding > .desktops with type Link to menu structures is helpful. For instance in > educational setting, having links to websites related to the subject > along with the applications is great for kids. You can imagine having > links to the Chemistry WebBook and Wolfram's MathWorld along with > science and math apps. Right now we can get around this by creating > .desktop files that execute a web browser with the desired URL, but I > think that it's not very intuitive. In Gnome, for instance, I find it a > bit inconsistent that you can have Type=Link .desktops on the desktop > but not in the menu. Any thoughts on feasibility? > > -Jordan Mantha > ___ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
RE: couple questions about menu spec
The general problem with adding a main category is that on many older distributions that do not support such new main category yet, desktop files that use this new main category will not be shown at all. There is not really a good upgrade path. Cheers, Waldo Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Mantha Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:26 PM To: xdg@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: couple questions about menu spec Hello all, I've got two questions about the freedesktop.org Menu spec that'd I'd love to see clarified. 1) There are quite a number of scientific applications that are professional tools rather than educational tools. I've been asked quite a few times why Science isn't a main category for menus. According to the spec .desktop files with Science in Categories must also have Education category also. I can understand that having too many Main categories could get messy, but I think there is a fairly significant distinction between Science (and Mathematics for that matter) applications used in education and those used for professional research. So my question is, is there a reason Science couldn't become a main category? 2) The menu spec glossary says that only .desktops of type Application are allowed for Desktop entries. I've got several cases where adding .desktops with type Link to menu structures is helpful. For instance in educational setting, having links to websites related to the subject along with the applications is great for kids. You can imagine having links to the Chemistry WebBook and Wolfram's MathWorld along with science and math apps. Right now we can get around this by creating .desktop files that execute a web browser with the desired URL, but I think that it's not very intuitive. In Gnome, for instance, I find it a bit inconsistent that you can have Type=Link .desktops on the desktop but not in the menu. Any thoughts on feasibility? -Jordan Mantha ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
