Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7 Steve White :
> Hi Neal,
>
> If there are real problems, I would like to try to fix them.
>
> Would you please send me, all files for a test using FreeSerif only,
> with the command line you use to build it?  (I tried xelatex on the
> test.tex file and the header file you posted, but I had to make a lot
> of changes just to get it to tex.)
>
Hi Neal,

I would also like to see a small self-contained sample. Your file
inputs header.tex but it is not included. I fetched some header from
one of your earlier posts but it tries to load a lot of fonts that I
do not have and after 5 minutes creates half page of transliterated
text but nothing in Devanagari.

> Thanks!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Neal Delmonico  
> wrote:
>> I am happy to say that I finally got it working.  Those Freefonts were
>> installed on my computer no less than four times (not counting texlive).
>> Moodle installed them as did Joomla.  I had installed them from the
>> ports collection and apparently the system installed them, or perhaps it
>> was X-windows.  Anyway, I found them with the X-11 fonts.  When I got
>> them all removed XeLaTeX could no longer find FreeSerif.  I don't know
>> why the Texlive installation could not find fonts it had installed.
>> Anyway, I downloaded the most recent version of the Freefonts and placed
>> them in the X-11 font directory, ran all the programs so that X could
>> find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.  Sadly, I see
>> that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common conjuncts well.
>> Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for instance.  Also the
>> Devanagari was replaced by little empty boxes in my page headings Where
>> I put the Sanskrit titles of the chapters along with their English
>> translations.  Nakula and Sahadeva and even Sanskrit 2003 could all do
>> those things.  FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
>> still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
>> regularly.
>>
>> Thanks for your help, everyone.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Neal
>>
>>
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Steve White 
Hi Neal,

If there are real problems, I would like to try to fix them.

Would you please send me, all files for a test using FreeSerif only,
with the command line you use to build it?  (I tried xelatex on the
test.tex file and the header file you posted, but I had to make a lot
of changes just to get it to tex.)

Thanks!


On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Neal Delmonico  wrote:
> I am happy to say that I finally got it working.  Those Freefonts were
> installed on my computer no less than four times (not counting texlive).
> Moodle installed them as did Joomla.  I had installed them from the
> ports collection and apparently the system installed them, or perhaps it
> was X-windows.  Anyway, I found them with the X-11 fonts.  When I got
> them all removed XeLaTeX could no longer find FreeSerif.  I don't know
> why the Texlive installation could not find fonts it had installed.
> Anyway, I downloaded the most recent version of the Freefonts and placed
> them in the X-11 font directory, ran all the programs so that X could
> find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.  Sadly, I see
> that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common conjuncts well.
> Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for instance.  Also the
> Devanagari was replaced by little empty boxes in my page headings Where
> I put the Sanskrit titles of the chapters along with their English
> translations.  Nakula and Sahadeva and even Sanskrit 2003 could all do
> those things.  FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
> still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
> regularly.
>
> Thanks for your help, everyone.
>
> Best
>
> Neal
>
>
>
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7  :
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> If you use XeTeX this way, it is sufficient if it compiles and one
>> person responsible for producing the final version will fine-tune the
>> line and page breaks and lock it.
>
> I generally agree.  This kind of thing can be carried too far, though.  I
> recently needed to convert a document from LaTeX to Microsoft Word format.
> When I loaded the same resultant Word document on four different
> computers, no two of them thought it had the same number of pages (with a
> length difference of 15 pages between longest and shortest, on a roughly
> 400-page document), and on one, the whole thing came up in bold italics
> for no clear reason.  I hope that XeTeX will always enforce better
> stability than that.
>
It depends. It seems to me that TeX Gyre fonts are frozen and the text
using them will remain stable for years but the Deja Vu fonts evolve
quickly.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread mskala 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> If you use XeTeX this way, it is sufficient if it compiles and one
> person responsible for producing the final version will fine-tune the
> line and page breaks and lock it.

I generally agree.  This kind of thing can be carried too far, though.  I
recently needed to convert a document from LaTeX to Microsoft Word format.
When I loaded the same resultant Word document on four different
computers, no two of them thought it had the same number of pages (with a
length difference of 15 pages between longest and shortest, on a roughly
400-page document), and on one, the whole thing came up in bold italics
for no clear reason.  I hope that XeTeX will always enforce better
stability than that.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Neal Delmonico 
I guess it was US-ascii.  I have switched to utf-8.  Let's see if that
works better.

\chapter*{The Leading Ladies (\skt{atha nāyikābhedaprakaraṇam})}
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{The Leading Ladies (\textsanskrit{atha
nāyikābhedaprakaraṇam})} 
\markboth{Śrī Ujjvala-nīlamaṇi}{The Leading Ladies (\textsanskrit{atha
nāyikābhedaprakaraṇam})}




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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Neal Delmonico 
I use the RomDev map, so this problem does not affect me.  It also
allows me to easily switch back and forth between Devanagari and Roman
transliteration when I need to.

N

On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 10:48 +0200, François Patte wrote:
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> > find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.
> 
> 
> > Sadly, I see that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common
> > conjuncts well. Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for
> > instance.
> 
> these two work for me...
> 
> But, I think there is some bug in velthuis-sanskrit.map : ~n is not
> taken into account. If you type pa~nca, you get in devanagari: pa nca (I
> think that the space is an unbreakable space).
> 
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Neal Delmonico 
The two problems I mentioned are in the sample I sent yesterday.  I have
attached the same sample as before (and its source file) done this time
successfully with FreeSerif.  Five lines from the the bottom, second
cluster from the right you can see "kimaGgAni."  The Gg is the guttural
n + g combination.  It should have the n on top and the g beneath it.
This is pretty standard.  Instead one has the n with a virama stroke
underneath it and the g next to it.  A little earlier in the same line
the same is true when d + g occur in mAnonnAhAdglapayasi.  That is more
complicated because three consonants are involved: d + g + l.  I have
noticed that even Nakula does not try to combine those.  So perhaps that
is not a fault.  Basically, though, anytime I see the virama stroke used
in consonant combinations, I see it as a conjunct failure.  It is not
that it is wrong.  I have seen plenty of printed examples of Devanagari
texts in which it is done, but it always seems like an eyesore and a
cheap alternative to the proper way of doing it.

What concerns me most is that FreeSerif does not appear in the page
headings.  Here is an example of the code I use for that which works
well with Nakula and Sahadeva and even Sanskrit 2003:

\chapter*{The Leading Ladies (\skt{atha nāyikābhedaprakaraam})}
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{The Leading Ladies (\textsanskrit{atha
nāyikābhedaprakaraam})} 
\markboth{Śrī Ujjvala-nīlamai}{The Leading Ladies (\textsanskrit{atha
nāyikābhedaprakaraam})}

Why would this produce little empty boxes at the top of the pages
instead of the Devanagari?

These are just problems I have noticed with a glance.  I have not looked
at FreeSerif in a longer text.

Best 

Neal

On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 10:39 +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2012/9/7 Neal Delmonico :
> > I am happy to say that I finally got it working.  Those Freefonts were
> > installed on my computer no less than four times (not counting texlive).
> > Moodle installed them as did Joomla.  I had installed them from the
> > ports collection and apparently the system installed them, or perhaps it
> > was X-windows.  Anyway, I found them with the X-11 fonts.  When I got
> > them all removed XeLaTeX could no longer find FreeSerif.  I don't know
> > why the Texlive installation could not find fonts it had installed.
> 
> It is explained in the manual in the chapter on post-install actions.
> 
> > Anyway, I downloaded the most recent version of the Freefonts and placed
> > them in the X-11 font directory, ran all the programs so that X could
> > find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.  Sadly, I see
> > that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common conjuncts well.
> > Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for instance.  Also the
> 
> Could you, please, prepare a sample documenting that bug? I do not
> know Sanskrit, I made tests just in Hindi where these conjuncts are
> not used. Steve White will certainly fix it if we write him exactly
> what is wrong.
> 
> > Devanagari was replaced by little empty boxes in my page headings Where
> > I put the Sanskrit titles of the chapters along with their English
> > translations.  Nakula and Sahadeva and even Sanskrit 2003 could all do
> > those things.  FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
> > still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
> > regularly.
> >
> Again, prepare a sample. As Steve White wrote a few months ago, he
> cannot fix the bugs if people do not report them.
> 
> > Thanks for your help, everyone.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
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test.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
\input{header}

\begin{document}

\begin{verse}

\skt{

\normalsize 

mohāntasuratakṣamā, yathā

śramajalaniviḍāṃ nimīlitākṣīṃ \\
ślathacikurāmanadhīnabāhuvallīm |\\
muditamanasamasmṛtānyabhāvāṃ\\
ratiśayane niśi gopikāṃ smarāmi|| 31||

māne komalā, yathā

prāṇāstvameva kimiva tvayi gopanīyaṃ\\
mānāya keśimathane sakhi nāsmi śaktā |\\
ehi prayāva ravijātaṭaniṣkuṭāya\\
kalyāṇi phullakusumāvacayacchalena|| 32||

māne karkaśā, yathā vidagdhamādhave (5.30)

mudhā mānonnāhādglapayasi kimaṅgāni kaṭhine\\
ruṣaṃ dhatse kiṃvā priyaparijanābhyarthanavidhau |\\
prakāmaṃ te kuñjālayagṛhapatistāmyati puraḥ \\
kṛpālakṣmīvantaṃ caṭulaya dṛgantaṃ kṣaṇamiha|| 33||\\

\large
tridhāsau mānavṛtteḥ syāddhīrādhīrobhayātmikā|| 34||

}

\end{verse}

\end{document}


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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7  :
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> requires newer version of fontspec. I am not able to compile the
>> latest fontspec and replace it in my Linux version. Thus the only
>> solution was to use the system Deja Vu fonts that produce different
>> line breaks and different page breaks. Of course, for some fonts it
>> would work.
>
> The same kind of problem can occur any time a document requires a new
> version of a package and you try to compile it on a system with an older
> version.  I don't think that has much to do with font pathname

Obtaining a new version of a package is much easier than recompiling
libraries in OS.

> specification, which I thought was the question.  My claim was only that
> relative pathnames are useful and allow documents to be portable when they
> include their necessary fonts.  Including the font with the document is
> the only real way to be sure that it can compile identically on a foreign
> system.  If the document also depends on something else the recipient
> doesn't have, or if the recipient's system cannot process the font that
> the document requires, then I think it should be clear that using a
> relative pathname isn't going to magically solve the unrelated issues.
>
> This kind of thing - the idea that all documents should be compilable
> everywhere - is exactly why the TeX/LaTeX world have their Byzantine
> path-searching system, licenses that forbid modification unless you also
> change the filenames, and default "we dare not EVER fix any bugs because
> we don't want to break documents that depend on them" attitude.  XeTeX
> seems not to be following that tradition, and the fact of using
> system-installed fonts which might not be consistent from one system to
> the next is just part of it.  We can debate how important the "absolute
> portability" requirement is, but I doubt that XeTeX's approach is going to
> change soon.
>
This nonportability was my argument when one journal asked me to
develop a package that must work in XeLaTeX. They told me:

1. We do not guarantee the same line breaks as they were in the
author's computer

2. We will create a PDF file that will remain unchanged for ever, the
sources will not be used again after the PDF is declared final. Thus
it does not matter if the fonts change in the future

If you use XeTeX this way, it is sufficient if it compiles and one
person responsible for producing the final version will fine-tune the
line and page breaks and lock it.

Support for some languages was not that stable as for English. For
instance, within years hyphenation patterns for Czech were changed. If
I try to process my old document with exactly the same fonts, I get
different line breaks due to changed hyphenation patterns. I did not
archive the log files so that I cannot find which version of
hyphenation patterns was used.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Dominik Wujastyk 
On 7 September 2012 10:48, François Patte <
francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr> wrote:

> ...
> But, I think there is some bug in velthuis-sanskrit.map : ~n is not
> taken into account. If you type pa~nca, you get in devanagari: pa nca (I
> think that the space is an unbreakable space).
> ...
>

See my blog post on
Cikitsafor
an explanation and a cure.

Best,
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread mskala 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> requires newer version of fontspec. I am not able to compile the
> latest fontspec and replace it in my Linux version. Thus the only
> solution was to use the system Deja Vu fonts that produce different
> line breaks and different page breaks. Of course, for some fonts it
> would work.

The same kind of problem can occur any time a document requires a new
version of a package and you try to compile it on a system with an older
version.  I don't think that has much to do with font pathname
specification, which I thought was the question.  My claim was only that
relative pathnames are useful and allow documents to be portable when they
include their necessary fonts.  Including the font with the document is
the only real way to be sure that it can compile identically on a foreign
system.  If the document also depends on something else the recipient
doesn't have, or if the recipient's system cannot process the font that
the document requires, then I think it should be clear that using a
relative pathname isn't going to magically solve the unrelated issues.

This kind of thing - the idea that all documents should be compilable
everywhere - is exactly why the TeX/LaTeX world have their Byzantine
path-searching system, licenses that forbid modification unless you also
change the filenames, and default "we dare not EVER fix any bugs because
we don't want to break documents that depend on them" attitude.  XeTeX
seems not to be following that tradition, and the fact of using
system-installed fonts which might not be consistent from one system to
the next is just part of it.  We can debate how important the "absolute
portability" requirement is, but I doubt that XeTeX's approach is going to
change soon.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7  :
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> page breaks but will compile. If the font is loaded from a specific
>> path and another user does not have the font in the very same path,
>> the document will not compile. Of course, the best way would be if the
>
> If I need a document to be portable, I'll include the font file with it,
> and use a relative path such as "./".
>
No, it won't work. Some time ago I received a document with Deja Vu
fonts and XeLaTeX crashed. Jonathan Kew was able to understand the
error message and explained me that the new version of Deja Vu fonts
requires newer version of fontspec. I am not able to compile the
latest fontspec and replace it in my Linux version. Thus the only
solution was to use the system Deja Vu fonts that produce different
line breaks and different page breaks. Of course, for some fonts it
would work.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Steve White 
Hi Sriramana (et al.),

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Shriramana Sharma  wrote:
>
> I hope I'm not wrong but the FreeSerif Devanagari glyphs seem to be
> derived from Lohit Devanagari (https://fedorahosted.org/lohit/).
>
FreeSerif's current Devanagari glyphs are based on the Velthuis TeX font.
   http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/ps-type1/indic

The current version was released in May of this year.  It takes some
time for software changes to reach the distributions, though.

Try out the FreeFont version from earlier this year, dated 20120503:
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/freefont/

Some info on that release:
https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=7216
Please read the installation notes in the package, if you decide to try it out.

The documentation for earlier versions of FreeSerif says that glyphs
had been drawn from those of the Indix, Indlinux, and Bharatbhasha
projects.  I don't know what connection those might have with the
Lohit project.

FreeSans' current Devanagari glyphs are based on those of the Gargi font
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gargi/ .
(FreeSans is heavily altered, and also has a bold version.)

> I have had problems with FreeSerif on LibreOffice also.

LibreOffice recently fixed some bugs with their Indic rendering code,
that have indeed caused problems in the past (but not just with
FreeSerif).  My impression is that the Devanagari is working well in
the LibreOffice versions of recent updates to the Ubuntu distribution,
anyway.

> IMHO it is
> better to use DejaVu for European scripts and Lohit family for Indic
> scripts. I am not saying that the Lohit family is perfect, but the
> maintainers are very responsive to bug reports. So you might try and
> see whether the Lohit fonts are better suited to your requirements.
>
DejaVu is a very fine set of typefaces, and a great open-source effort.
For many purposes, and tastes, it may be just the face to use.
However, the style of DejaVu's Latin face is very different from that
of FreeFont.
For many purposes and tastes, FreeSerif may be preferable.
It's a good thing we have options!

The FreeFont maintainer is also pretty responsive to bug reports.
Give him a try!
 https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=freefont

One problem is outstanding with Devanagari on Windows 7 and Vista (not
on XP). This is currently being researched.  But on Linux, no new
problems have been reported.

Cheers!


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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7 François Patte :
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> Le 07/09/2012 07:28, Neal Delmonico a écrit :
>> find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.
> 
>
>> Sadly, I see that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common
>> conjuncts well. Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for
>> instance.
>
> these two work for me...
>
> But, I think there is some bug in velthuis-sanskrit.map : ~n is not
> taken into account. If you type pa~nca, you get in devanagari: pa nca (I
> think that the space is an unbreakable space).
>
You have to set \catcode`\~=12 because the map is applied by XeTeX
_after_ expansion of the active characters.

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread François Patte 
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Le 07/09/2012 07:28, Neal Delmonico a écrit :
> find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.


> Sadly, I see that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common
> conjuncts well. Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for
> instance.

these two work for me...

But, I think there is some bug in velthuis-sanskrit.map : ~n is not
taken into account. If you type pa~nca, you get in devanagari: pa nca (I
think that the space is an unbreakable space).

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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7 Neal Delmonico :
> I am happy to say that I finally got it working.  Those Freefonts were
> installed on my computer no less than four times (not counting texlive).
> Moodle installed them as did Joomla.  I had installed them from the
> ports collection and apparently the system installed them, or perhaps it
> was X-windows.  Anyway, I found them with the X-11 fonts.  When I got
> them all removed XeLaTeX could no longer find FreeSerif.  I don't know
> why the Texlive installation could not find fonts it had installed.

It is explained in the manual in the chapter on post-install actions.

> Anyway, I downloaded the most recent version of the Freefonts and placed
> them in the X-11 font directory, ran all the programs so that X could
> find them and voila! suddenly XeLaTeX could find them too.  Sadly, I see
> that FreeSerif does not handle some of the common conjuncts well.
> Guttural n and g do not combine, nor do d and g, for instance.  Also the

Could you, please, prepare a sample documenting that bug? I do not
know Sanskrit, I made tests just in Hindi where these conjuncts are
not used. Steve White will certainly fix it if we write him exactly
what is wrong.

> Devanagari was replaced by little empty boxes in my page headings Where
> I put the Sanskrit titles of the chapters along with their English
> translations.  Nakula and Sahadeva and even Sanskrit 2003 could all do
> those things.  FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
> still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
> regularly.
>
Again, prepare a sample. As Steve White wrote a few months ago, he
cannot fix the bugs if people do not report them.

> Thanks for your help, everyone.
>
> Best
>
> Neal
>
>
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7 bhutex :
> The FreeSerif is not a complete font. The font tables for Devnagari are not
> fully implemented in it.
>
Could you be more specific and prepare a sample documenting the bug? I
have tried FreeSerif with several larger texts in Hindi and I do not
see any error.

> But FreeSans has the necessary tables so it works. I also suggested some
> corrections which were incorporated in to the FreeSans.
>
> DVG
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Shriramana Sharma 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Neal Delmonico
>>  wrote:
>> > FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
>> > still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
>> > regularly.
>>
>> I hope I'm not wrong but the FreeSerif Devanagari glyphs seem to be
>> derived from Lohit Devanagari (https://fedorahosted.org/lohit/).
>>
>> I have had problems with FreeSerif on LibreOffice also. IMHO it is
>> better to use DejaVu for European scripts and Lohit family for Indic
>> scripts. I am not saying that the Lohit family is perfect, but the
>> maintainers are very responsive to bug reports. So you might try and
>> see whether the Lohit fonts are better suited to your requirements.
>>
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Re: [XeTeX] FreeSerif not working for me in Devanagari

2012-09-07 Thread Zdenek Wagner 
2012/9/7 Shriramana Sharma :
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Neal Delmonico
>  wrote:
>> FreeSerif is a nice looking Devanagari font, but it is
>> still not up to where it needs to be in order for me to use it
>> regularly.
>
> I hope I'm not wrong but the FreeSerif Devanagari glyphs seem to be
> derived from Lohit Devanagari (https://fedorahosted.org/lohit/).
>
Fedora has an old version that does not work. Current FreeSerif
contains the Velthuis glypghs.

> I have had problems with FreeSerif on LibreOffice also. IMHO it is

Have you tried the latest version from
https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/ or from TL 2012?

> better to use DejaVu for European scripts and Lohit family for Indic
> scripts. I am not saying that the Lohit family is perfect, but the
> maintainers are very responsive to bug reports. So you might try and
> see whether the Lohit fonts are better suited to your requirements.
>
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