Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/12/16 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
 Hi,

 I would suggest putting a newline after the therorem title. Could right your 
 own command
 for that.

 Though it is a matter of style and taste.

 regards
        Keith.

 Am 16.12.2011 um 02:55 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe:

Generally speaking, paragraph breaking is controlled by a few
registers, the most important is \tolerance. \sloppy sets \tolerance
to 1 which then looks ugly. You should start with \tolerance=.
In such a case you should not have overfull boxes (if you still have
them, some changes in the text may be needed). After this run you find
the highest badness of the underfull box. Set \tolerance to this value
and \hbadness to one less and run LaTeX again. You should see just one
underfull box in your log. Now you can decrease \tolerance (and
badness) until you get an overfull box, then return to the higher
value of \tolerance and set \hbadness to the same value. If you have a
paragraph with an overfull box, then set locally for  that paragraph
\emergencystretch=1em. (This algorithm appeared years ago in an
article by Phil Taylor and I use it since then)

 I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
 the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
 Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
 commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
 Below (see also attachment) is an example:

 \documentclass[12pt]{book}
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 \usepackage{unicode-math}
 \usepackage{geometry}
 \geometry{
  xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
  paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
  showframe
  }
 \setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
 \setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \begin{document}%
 \thispagestyle{empty}%
 %\sloppy
 %\raggedright
 Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
 Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
 be some useful mathematical structure.
 Then, \ldots
 \end{document}%

 Many thanks in advance,
 Dan
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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/12/16 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com:
 2011/12/16 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
 Hi,

 I would suggest putting a newline after the therorem title. Could right your 
 own command
 for that.

Just one more remark, if you want to change \emergencystretch locally,
it is not necessary to put the whole paragraph into a group, just
enter immediatelly after the last character of the paragraph the
following:
{\emergencystretch=1em \par}

 Though it is a matter of style and taste.

 regards
        Keith.

 Am 16.12.2011 um 02:55 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe:

 Generally speaking, paragraph breaking is controlled by a few
 registers, the most important is \tolerance. \sloppy sets \tolerance
 to 1 which then looks ugly. You should start with \tolerance=.
 In such a case you should not have overfull boxes (if you still have
 them, some changes in the text may be needed). After this run you find
 the highest badness of the underfull box. Set \tolerance to this value
 and \hbadness to one less and run LaTeX again. You should see just one
 underfull box in your log. Now you can decrease \tolerance (and
 badness) until you get an overfull box, then return to the higher
 value of \tolerance and set \hbadness to the same value. If you have a
 paragraph with an overfull box, then set locally for  that paragraph
 \emergencystretch=1em. (This algorithm appeared years ago in an
 article by Phil Taylor and I use it since then)

 I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
 the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
 Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
 commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
 Below (see also attachment) is an example:

 \documentclass[12pt]{book}
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 \usepackage{unicode-math}
 \usepackage{geometry}
 \geometry{
  xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
  paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
  showframe
  }
 \setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
 \setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \begin{document}%
 \thispagestyle{empty}%
 %\sloppy
 %\raggedright
 Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
 Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
 be some useful mathematical structure.
 Then, \ldots
 \end{document}%

 Many thanks in advance,
 Dan
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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Philip TAYLOR



Zdenek Wagner wrote:


You should start with \tolerance=.
In such a case you should not have overfull boxes (if you still have
them, some changes in the text may be needed). After this run you find
the highest badness of the underfull box. Set \tolerance to this value
and \hbadness to one less and run LaTeX again. You should see just one
underfull box in your log. Now you can decrease \tolerance (and
badness) until you get an overfull box, then return to the higher
value of \tolerance and set \hbadness to the same value. If you have a
paragraph with an overfull box, then set locally for  that paragraph
\emergencystretch=1em. (This algorithm appeared years ago in an
article by Phil Taylor and I use it since then)


So do I (!), but I am fairly certain that Frank Mittelbach subsequently
proved that there is a far simpler way of achieving exactly the same
results, with considerably less effort.  Frank, are you there ?

** Phil.


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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/12/16 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:


 Zdenek Wagner wrote:

 You should start with \tolerance=.
 In such a case you should not have overfull boxes (if you still have
 them, some changes in the text may be needed). After this run you find
 the highest badness of the underfull box. Set \tolerance to this value
 and \hbadness to one less and run LaTeX again. You should see just one
 underfull box in your log. Now you can decrease \tolerance (and
 badness) until you get an overfull box, then return to the higher
 value of \tolerance and set \hbadness to the same value. If you have a
 paragraph with an overfull box, then set locally for  that paragraph
 \emergencystretch=1em. (This algorithm appeared years ago in an
 article by Phil Taylor and I use it since then)


 So do I (!), but I am fairly certain that Frank Mittelbach subsequently
 proved that there is a far simpler way of achieving exactly the same
 results, with considerably less effort.  Frank, are you there ?

It's not that much effort. I do not care about overfull boxes until
the text is finished and proof read. And then I have a few macros that
help me to do it quite quickly. In pdftex hz-algorithm can sometimes
help but not always.

 ** Phil.



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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Conrad Scott

Dan,

One possible solution for the particular example you posted (see below) 
is to allow line breaks at commas in inline maths. The solution I use 
for this is:


\mathchardef\breakingcomma\mathcode`\,

{\catcode`,=\active

\gdef,{\breakingcomma\discretionary{}{}{}}

}


\newcommand{\mathlist}[1]{$\mathcode`\,=\string8000 #1$}


which I took from the answer by egreg to the following stackexchange 
question:


http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/19094/allowing-line-break-at-in-inline-math-mode-breaks-citations


You could use this as Let the tuple $(\mathlist{X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, 
-, !, \#})$ in your example.



There are some other solutions in that post and the other it links to.


All my best,
Conrad

On 12/16/2011 01:55 AM, Daniel Greenhoe wrote:

I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
Below (see also attachment) is an example:

\documentclass[12pt]{book}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{
   xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
   paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
   showframe
   }
\setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
\setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
\begin{document}%
\thispagestyle{empty}%
%\sloppy
%\raggedright
Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
be some useful mathematical structure.
Then, \ldots
\end{document}%

Many thanks in advance,
Dan




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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-16 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
2011/12/16 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com:
 Generally speaking, paragraph breaking is controlled by a few
 registers, the most important is \tolerance. \sloppy sets \tolerance
 to 1 which then looks ugly. You should start with \tolerance=.
 In such a case you should not have overfull boxes (if you still have
 them, some changes in the text may be needed). After this run you find
 the highest badness of the underfull box. Set \tolerance to this value
 and \hbadness to one less and run LaTeX again. You should see just one
 underfull box in your log. Now you can decrease \tolerance (and
 badness) until you get an overfull box, then return to the higher
 value of \tolerance and set \hbadness to the same value. If you have a
 paragraph with an overfull box, then set locally for  that paragraph
 \emergencystretch=1em. (This algorithm appeared years ago in an
 article by Phil Taylor and I use it since then)

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Conrad Scott con...@conradscott.me.uk wrote:
 One possible solution for the particular example you posted (see below) is
 to allow line breaks at commas in inline maths. The solution I use for this
 is:
 \mathchardef\breakingcomma\mathcode`\,
 {\catcode`,=\active
 \gdef,{\breakingcomma\discretionary{}{}{}}}
 \newcommand{\mathlist}[1]{$\mathcode`\,=\string8000 #1$}


Thank you Philip, Zdenek, and Conrad for your great suggestions. I
think maybe I can use the Philip/Zdenek solution for most cases, and
the Conrad solution for problems that still may persist after that.

Thanks again,
Dan

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Conrad Scott con...@conradscott.me.uk wrote:
 Dan,

 One possible solution for the particular example you posted (see below) is
 to allow line breaks at commas in inline maths. The solution I use for this
 is:

 \mathchardef\breakingcomma\mathcode`\,

 {\catcode`,=\active

 \gdef,{\breakingcomma\discretionary{}{}{}}

 }


 \newcommand{\mathlist}[1]{$\mathcode`\,=\string8000 #1$}


 which I took from the answer by egreg to the following stackexchange
 question:

 http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/19094/allowing-line-break-at-in-inline-math-mode-breaks-citations


 You could use this as Let the tuple $(\mathlist{X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -,
 !, \#})$ in your example.


 There are some other solutions in that post and the other it links to.


 All my best,
 Conrad

 On 12/16/2011 01:55 AM, Daniel Greenhoe wrote:

 I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
 the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
 Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
 commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
 Below (see also attachment) is an example:

 \documentclass[12pt]{book}
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 \usepackage{unicode-math}
 \usepackage{geometry}
 \geometry{
   xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
   paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
   showframe
   }
 \setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
 \setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \begin{document}%
 \thispagestyle{empty}%
 %\sloppy
 %\raggedright
 Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
 Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
 be some useful mathematical structure.
 Then, \ldots
 \end{document}%

 Many thanks in advance,
 Dan





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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-15 Thread Vladimir Lomov
Hello,
** Daniel Greenhoe [2011-12-16 09:55:19 +0800]:

 I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
 the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
 Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
 commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
 Below (see also attachment) is an example:

 \documentclass[12pt]{book}
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 \usepackage{unicode-math}
 \usepackage{geometry}
 \geometry{
   xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
   paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
   showframe
   }
 \setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
 \setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \begin{document}%
 \thispagestyle{empty}%
 %\sloppy
 %\raggedright
 Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
 Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
 be some useful mathematical structure.
 Then, \ldots
 \end{document}%

 Many thanks in advance,
 Dan

It might won't help you with you real case but this example can be
improved

[example]
\documentclass[12pt]{book}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\usepackage{amsmath} %%% Just becuase I very like this package
\usepackage{theorem}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{
  xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
  paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
  showframe
}

\theoremstyle{break}
\newtheorem{theorem}{Theorem}[chapter]

\setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
\setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
\begin{document}%
\thispagestyle{empty}%
%\sloppy
%\raggedright
\begin{theorem}[The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title]
Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
be some useful mathematical structure.
Then, \ldots
\end{theorem}
\end{document}%
[/example]

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Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-15 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi,

I would suggest putting a newline after the therorem title. Could right your 
own command 
for that.

Though it is a matter of style and taste.

regards
Keith.

Am 16.12.2011 um 02:55 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe:

 I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has
 the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts.
 Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright
 commands, is there any more elegant solution currently available?
 Below (see also attachment) is an example:
 
 \documentclass[12pt]{book}
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 \usepackage{unicode-math}
 \usepackage{geometry}
 \geometry{
  xetex,centering,twoside,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,
  paper=a4paper,margin=20mm,
  showframe
  }
 \setmainfont{texgyrepagella-regular.otf}
 \setmathfont{xits-math.otf}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \begin{document}%
 \thispagestyle{empty}%
 %\sloppy
 %\raggedright
 Theorem 1.1 (The Theorem That Has This Rather Long Title)
 Let the tuple $(X, Y, Z, A, B, C, +, x, -, !, \#)$
 be some useful mathematical structure.
 Then, \ldots
 \end{document}%
 
 Many thanks in advance,
 Dan
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