Re: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

2003-12-18 Thread Christopher Thom
Quoth Stephen King:

> Why don't we start harassing Dell and Gateway since this is a known
> problem with the BIOS. If we start with a standard petition email that
> clearly states what is wrong and what needs to be done to fix it that
> might work. A little bad press by sending this petition to other groups
> and areas letting other open source users know that X will not work on
> these laptops and to avoid buying them.

Don't know about gateway, but I've already done the rounds with dell tech
support a couple of times.  They'll use their standard "We don't support
linux" response and tell you to install windows before they can help.

Intel has done exactly the same thing with their centrino wireless
drivers, even though they've been known to be working "in-house" since
march.

I'll sign whatever petition you like, but I won't delude myself into
thinking it'll make a difference.  Linux users aren't a big enough
marketyet!

cheers
chris
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Re: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

2003-12-19 Thread Davide Dozza
I'll sign whatever petition you like, but I won't delude myself into
thinking it'll make a difference.  Linux users aren't a big enough
marketyet!
I don't think so.

In Europe people using open source coped with stopping the patent directive.

+1 for the petition.

Davide

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Re: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

2003-12-19 Thread Davide Dozza
I don't know if anyone know this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/xanthan/petition.html

Is a try to make OSS people visible about the Centrino problem.
Maybe we can arrange something like this.
Davide

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Re: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

2003-12-19 Thread Al Smith
I have to disagree with that. I have worked for quite a few companies over 
the last few years and the linux over *nix is growing and growing. Just 
this year the company I am with purchased 100+ Dell servers with Redhat 
Enterprise.

That's got to say something...



At 03:46 PM 12/19/2003 +1100, you wrote:
Quoth Stephen King:

> Why don't we start harassing Dell and Gateway since this is a known
> problem with the BIOS. If we start with a standard petition email that
> clearly states what is wrong and what needs to be done to fix it that
> might work. A little bad press by sending this petition to other groups
> and areas letting other open source users know that X will not work on
> these laptops and to avoid buying them.
Don't know about gateway, but I've already done the rounds with dell tech
support a couple of times.  They'll use their standard "We don't support
linux" response and tell you to install windows before they can help.
Intel has done exactly the same thing with their centrino wireless
drivers, even though they've been known to be working "in-house" since
march.
I'll sign whatever petition you like, but I won't delude myself into
thinking it'll make a difference.  Linux users aren't a big enough
marketyet!
cheers
chris
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RE: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

2003-12-19 Thread Don Knecht
Well, I don't know how much good it would do, the i830 and current BIOS
work fine with windows XP and with a commercial x-server, ( I tried a
Summit LX demo from xi graphics), so their argument is likely to be that
the developers just need to fix the driver and/or xfree86...i
noticed the Xaccel server wants no help from the kernel apg, that apg is
provided by their server, maybe that's a clue to someone as how xi does
it?

Don


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Subject: Possible Petition - RE: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M
chipset, 8MB preallocated video RAM

Why don't we start harassing Dell and Gateway since this is a known
problem with the BIOS. If we start with a standard petition email that
clearly states what is wrong and what needs to be done to fix it that
might work. A little bad press by sending this petition to other groups
and areas letting other open source users know that X will not work on
these laptops and to avoid buying them.

Stephen

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preallocated video RAM


Join the club, sorry I can't be any help, I have same problem after
gateway "upgraded" my bios, I was hoping xfree v4.4 drivers would
resolve this, but I see you have tried it with no luck Maybe the anser
is to get intel to pressure dell and gateway to quit F***'n Around with
the bios on these laptops, by the time the developers figure out how to
get it working the mfg's change the bios and it quits working

.BTW as a non-coder, I'd like to thank all developers for their Work
on xfree86, keep up the good work!

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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:32 PM
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Subject: [XFree86] Can't start X with I830M chipset, 8MB preallocated
video RAM

Hello,

I can't get XFree86 to start up on my laptop with an Intel 830M video
chipset. I'm running kernel 2.4.22 and XFree86 4.3.99.901 (4.4 RC1).
I've built and installed the latest DRI kernel stuff. AGP GART support
is in the kernel.

My video bios pre-allocates about 8MB of shared video RAM, which should
be more than enough for 1024x768x16 graphics. My video hardware and flat
panel are all detected perfectly by the X server. No matter what I put
in my config file, XFree86 still dies with "No Video BIOS modes for
chosen depth"... It doesn't matter how low I set my resolution and color
depth, I still get the error.

One problem seems to be that the driver's attempt to tell my BIOS about
the extra video RAM it's allocated for X's use is failing. The thing is,
the BIOS knows about ~8MB of video RAM without the driver telling it
anything, and that should be enough for 1024x768x16. agpgart also sees
8MB of video ram at boot, so I SHOULD be able to at least get a screen
running!

If it helps any driver developers, the BIOS I'm working with is inside a
Dell Inspiron 2600 laptop and is release A09. I would go harass Dell but
I don't know what to ask for. If anyone can confirm my take on this
issue, I'd appreciate it.

I've attached the full log and config file. Sure hope someone out there
can help!

Thanks,

Gabe

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