Re: Optimizing behaviour of Synaptics Clickpad on Sony Vaio Z13
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 11:41:59PM +0100, Markus Ellinger wrote: Am 04.01.2013 07:14, schrieb Peter Hutterer: Thanks, that's great. If this patch is added, will we still need to manually set a dead area on the buttons? Or is there a possibility to change the default config files so that if there are clickpad buttons, those are automatically marked as dead area? no, I'd rather not make this a default. I'll add an example to the default config file but people use their touchpads quite differently and we can't tell. specifically, we configure the soft buttons to work as left/right on non-apple clickpads but a user who enables tapping is less likely to use the buttons. disabling the area for those users is a regression. So how is the user who uses tapping supposed to do the right mouse button click? usuall two or three-finger tapping. that's the reason why I don't want to disable this area by default, the buttons take over a significant chunk of the touchpad that would just stop reacting. I think what you're saying really depends on the type of trackpad used. For example, my touch pad looks like this one: http://www.cnet.de/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/story_media/41557080/sony_vaio_z21_tastatur_touchpad.jpg The buttons are clearly visible as such and they also contain the finger print reader area. I doubt that anyone is temped to use those buttons for moving the mouse pointer. we don't really see this in the driver though, all we see is a surface area and that the touchpad only has a left-click. to the driver, your touchpad looks almost identical to mine which merely has to thin lines to mark the buttons: http://static.trustedreviews.com/9dcc9f%7C1e55_15341-img9088s.jpg Just while I'm at it, is it possible to configure the buttons so that merely tapping (not pressing) them issues the right or left mouse click? Now that would be sweet. no, we don't have code for that yet but I'm somewhat hesitant to add it. given that all clickpads support multiple fingers, using double/triple-tap gives you the same functionality and it's already integrated into the various DEs. Cheers, Peter ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Optimizing behaviour of Synaptics Clickpad on Sony Vaio Z13
Am 04.01.2013 07:14, schrieb Peter Hutterer: Thanks, that's great. If this patch is added, will we still need to manually set a dead area on the buttons? Or is there a possibility to change the default config files so that if there are clickpad buttons, those are automatically marked as dead area? no, I'd rather not make this a default. I'll add an example to the default config file but people use their touchpads quite differently and we can't tell. specifically, we configure the soft buttons to work as left/right on non-apple clickpads but a user who enables tapping is less likely to use the buttons. disabling the area for those users is a regression. So how is the user who uses tapping supposed to do the right mouse button click? I think what you're saying really depends on the type of trackpad used. For example, my touch pad looks like this one: http://www.cnet.de/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/story_media/41557080/sony_vaio_z21_tastatur_touchpad.jpg The buttons are clearly visible as such and they also contain the finger print reader area. I doubt that anyone is temped to use those buttons for moving the mouse pointer. Just while I'm at it, is it possible to configure the buttons so that merely tapping (not pressing) them issues the right or left mouse click? Now that would be sweet. Cheers, Markus ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Optimizing behaviour of Synaptics Clickpad on Sony Vaio Z13
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 04:33:31PM +0100, Markus Ellinger wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Linux Mint Nadia which ships with X.Org 1.13.0 on a Sony Vaio Z13. I experience two problems with the Synaptics driver which do not occur on the Windows 7 Professional installation on the same machine: 1. Moving the mouse pointer using the touchpad works fine, however, everytime when I release the finger from the touchpad, the mouse pointer jumps a little bit from its reached position. I guess this is because I do not release the finger steady enough and thus releasing the finger triggers some additional mouse pointer movement. This really is annoying because e.g. when I hover on a button, then release the finger to tap the button, often the mouse pointer jumps away from the button and the tap clicks the wrong button. Is there any way to tell the Synaptics driver in X.org to ignore movements when the finger is released? The Synaptics Windows driver does not have this problem, here when I release the finger, the mouse pointer never jumps. I already tried to play with some synclient options but to no avail. I suspect the cause for this is more the natural shape of your finger. as you press down, the contact surface increases, and the hotspot you get is somewhere in the middle. as you release, the contact surface changes and you get the jump. I can see this here and it's related to how hard you press before releasing. the harder, the bigger the jump. there isn't really anything you can tune in the settings for this particular behaviour. the hysteresis options will help a bit, but hinder some smaller movement. really what we need here is some pressure-based smoothening, to prevent cursor jumps if the pressure changes. 2. The Sony Vaio Z13 has ClickPad buttons. They do react to clicks, however, the buttons itself are sensitive to cursor movements. I tried to set AreaBottomEdge to exclude the button area but when I do this, detection of the right button (as facilitated by RightButtonArea... settings in synclient) fails. Is there a way to exclude the button area from creating pointer movements and still allow the right button to work? you need http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/12707/ Cheers, Peter Below I'm giving you my synclient settings. Please let me know if you need any more info. Any help or pointers is greatly appreciated. Best regards Markus Parameters given by Synclient version 1.6.2 Parameter settings: LeftEdge= 1772 RightEdge = 5468 TopEdge = 1642 BottomEdge = 4524 FingerLow = 25 FingerHigh = 30 FingerPress = 256 MaxTapTime = 180 MaxTapMove = 239 MaxDoubleTapTime= 180 SingleTapTimeout= 180 ClickTime = 100 FastTaps= 0 EmulateMidButtonTime= 0 EmulateTwoFingerMinZ= 282 EmulateTwoFingerMinW= 7 VertScrollDelta = 108 HorizScrollDelta= 108 VertEdgeScroll = 1 HorizEdgeScroll = 0 CornerCoasting = 0 VertTwoFingerScroll = 0 HorizTwoFingerScroll= 0 MinSpeed= 1 MaxSpeed= 1.75 AccelFactor = 0.0367175 TrackstickSpeed = 40 EdgeMotionMinZ = 30 EdgeMotionMaxZ = 160 EdgeMotionMinSpeed = 1 EdgeMotionMaxSpeed = 435 EdgeMotionUseAlways = 0 TouchpadOff = 2 LockedDrags = 0 LockedDragTimeout = 5000 RTCornerButton = 2 RBCornerButton = 3 LTCornerButton = 0 LBCornerButton = 0 TapButton1 = 1 TapButton2 = 3 TapButton3 = 0 ClickFinger1= 1 ClickFinger2= 3 ClickFinger3= 0 CircularScrolling = 0 CircScrollDelta = 0.1 CircScrollTrigger = 0 CircularPad = 0 PalmDetect = 0 PalmMinWidth= 10 PalmMinZ= 200 CoastingSpeed = 20 CoastingFriction= 50 PressureMotionMinZ = 30 PressureMotionMaxZ = 160 PressureMotionMinFactor = 1 PressureMotionMaxFactor = 1 ResolutionDetect= 1 GrabEventDevice = 1 TapAndDragGesture = 1 AreaLeftEdge= 0 AreaRightEdge = 0 AreaTopEdge = 0 AreaBottomEdge = 0 HorizHysteresis = 8 VertHysteresis = 8 ClickPad= 1 RightButtonAreaLeft = 3620 RightButtonAreaRight= 0 RightButtonAreaTop = 4155 RightButtonAreaBottom = 0 MiddleButtonAreaLeft= 0
