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How would you like work with us? Would you prefer to work for a commission or would you prefer to be a distributor? Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:xpert-admin@;XFree86.Org]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 November 2002 13:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Xpert digest, Vol 1 #2411 - 17 msgs Send Xpert mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Xpert digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: More on the new cursor (Keith Packard) 2. Re: Xnest (Brian Wellington) 3. Re: Proposal for mouse speed & acceleration settings (Michael Toomim) 4. Re: Re: Proposal for mouse speed & acceleration settings (Michael Toomim) 5. Re: Intel 845G onboard video on FreeBSD 4.7 (Andy Sparrow) 6. Older S3 chipsets (was: Re: [Xpert]Driver work for S3 864 chipsets) (Tothwolf) 7. Trio 64 3D (Frank v Waveren) 8. Re: Trio 64 3D (Frank v Waveren) 9. Re: private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? (Dr Andrew C Aitchison) 10. Re: Radeon mobility and external monitor (Dr Andrew C Aitchison) 11. Re: X Windows System problem for RedHat 8.0 on IBM Thinkpad R32 on Windows-hosted vmware (Dr Andrew C Aitchison) 12. Re: private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? (=?iso-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= Fonseca) 13. Re: private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? (Juliusz Chroboczek) 14. Re: VNC and freetype - please Help! (Juliusz Chroboczek) 15. Re: Questions about TinyX (simultaneous monochrome & color screen xserver) (Juliusz Chroboczek) 16. Re: private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? (Dr Andrew C Aitchison) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Xpert]More on the new cursor From: Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:24:41 -0800 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Around 21 o'clock on Oct 30, oliver wrote: > So if i get things right by reading these couple posts, it means that > this pretty ARGB cursor I'm getting is software based. The Radeon driver now has HW support for ARGB cursors; the nVidia driver should have support shortly. Adding support to other cards that have appropriate hardware will be easy for someone with the hardware and the docs. Keith Packard XFree86 Core Team HP Cambridge Research Lab --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Wellington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Xnest Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Ulrich Hobelmann wrote: > I have a problem with Xnest (running XFree 4.2.0 on NetBSD 1.6/i386). > > I start it as usual with "XNest :1", but when I try connecting > via xterm -display :1 or use any client after setting DISPLAY I get the > following message: > > Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1 > > At the same time Xnest writes > AUDIT: Thu Oct 31 20:43:59 2002: 825 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local > host > > I've tried connecting as root, or starting Xnest as root, but this > doesn't help. I've also tried setting DISPLAY to localhost:1.0 and stuff... I ran into the same problem yesterday (4.2.0 on Red Hat 8), and was able to use Xnest by running it as: Xnest :1 -auth /dev/null I'm sure that's not the correct solution, but it worked for me. Brian --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:38:10 -0800 From: Michael Toomim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Xpert]Re: Proposal for mouse speed & acceleration settings Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You keep saying that the resolution can't be changed without editing the > XF86Config file, but the XFree86-Misc extension has made it possible for > years to change that setting on the fly. It's just a matter of having > a client to interface to that extension and there are a few available, > such as the xmseconfig program that used to be distributed with XFree86. > > xset does use the XFree86-Misc extension, but only for changing keyboard > settings. There's no reason it couldn't be changed to do the same for > the mouse. There's one problem: The following option will set the mouse device resolution to N counts per inch, if possible: Option "Resolution" "N" Not all mice and OSs can support this option. This option can be set in the XF86Setup program. Does anyone know where I can find out which mice and/or OS's don't support the resolution parameter? Does anyone know why this can't be supported universally? Even if it uses some hardware/os-specific feature, it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to emulate for the general case... --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:23:47 -0800 From: Michael Toomim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Re: Proposal for mouse speed & acceleration settings Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You keep saying that the resolution can't be changed without editing the > XF86Config file, but the XFree86-Misc extension has made it possible for > years to change that setting on the fly. It's just a matter of having > a client to interface to that extension and there are a few available, > such as the xmseconfig program that used to be distributed with XFree86. > > xset does use the XFree86-Misc extension, but only for changing keyboard > settings. There's no reason it couldn't be changed to do the same for > the mouse. That's awesome. That's exactly what I've been looking for. I'll look into it, and if all works out, I'll forward this information to the Gnome folks to get it implemented in something user-visible. --__--__-- Message: 5 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Intel 845G onboard video on FreeBSD 4.7 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:48:44 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==_Exmh_-2029937900P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hello! Hi, > I have installed FreeBSD 4.7, and it seems there's no i845G driver for = > my onboard video card. XFree86 even doesn't want to start from the = > /stand/sysinstall menu in graphical mode. You're generally better off, I believe, doing an 'X -config-only' from a = shell, and then editing the resulting config file. Least, I've had more = success with that for most things... > The error I get is "unable to = > open /dev/agpgart (Device not configured)". What can I do about it? > = > Motherboard: AOpen AX4G-N Intel 845G(+ICH4) chipset (Integrated Intel = > Graphics on board) > Processor: Intel=AE Pentium=AE 4 1.80A (400-MHz System Bus; 512-KB L2) > Memory: PNY DDR266 256MB DIMM (8 Samsung chips) > OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE You'll need to build a custom kernel with: device agp in the configuration file, this doesn't exist in the GENERIC kernel. = Or you can use "agp_load=3DYES" in /boot/loader.conf, and then you'll nee= d = to reboot - I'm pretty sure that the AGP loadable module /cannot/ be = loaded after system boot, although I forget exactly why - I think it's = related to resource allocation which can only be done at a certain point = in the process. Check /var/run/dmesg.boot for messages relating to 'agp' when the system = comes back up. Then how well it works depends on how well (if at all) the i810 driver = from XFree86-4.2.1 will drive the i845, (which I have no experience of = as I don't own this chipset). You may need to use the X server in VESA mode, or you may need to build = X from CVS - someone else can doubtless advise further. HTH. Cheers, AS --==_Exmh_-2029937900P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9xNTcPHh895bDXeQRAvZXAJ4lAu4UmxXtZpYAtV/Wu21rfvtSEgCbBO2J OuKl7JjeHBXXRM8NGdpp8/I= =MsO4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2029937900P-- --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:09:10 -0600 (CST) From: Tothwolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Jonas Nickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Older S3 chipsets (was: Re: [Xpert]Driver work for S3 864 chipsets) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Jonas Nickel wrote: > I would like to know if there is anyone currently working on porting the > driver for S3 864 chipsets to the XFree 4.x tree. I have some older > machines with S3 adaptors and would like to start using XFree 4.x > instead of XFree 3.x on them. In case there isn't anyone working on the > drivers I would like to know if there is any interest in these drivers > as I would then try to spare some time and start the work on these. AFAIK, no one is working on support for the older S3 chipsets right now. I have a number of S3 968 based boards with an IBM 526 RAMDAC that I would like to get working too. I have so far been unable to obtain any programming information for the chips on my boards, although my current workload would now would prevent me from doing much in the way of coding even if I can obtain the docs for the S3 968 and IBM 524/526. -Toth --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:15:45 +0100 From: Frank v Waveren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Xpert]Trio 64 3D Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm having some trouble getting a Trio 64 3D AGP working with XFree86 4.2.0. With the config XFree86 generates the screen flashes on startup and then stays black. The log gives this: (++) Using config file: "/root/XF86Config.new" Trio3D -- Display is on...turning off Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x3a807f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x00915f80 Trio3D -- GE was on ST#1: 0x20007f80 ST#2: 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x3a007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x3e915f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- GE was on ST#1: 0x20007f80 ST#2: 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x35007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x38115f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#1 = 0x20007f80 Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: state changed after 0 iterations Trio3D -- S3VNopAllCmdSets: SubsysStats#2 = 0x20007f80 At which point it hangs, unkillable by anything but SIGKILL. (The screen stays black and switching back to a vt with chvt(1) doesn't give any visible results). Stracing the process gives an infinite loop of: read(5, "", 4) = 0 select(1024, [5], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 1 (in [5], left {0, 0}) (fd 5 is /dev/null) Even with the vesa driver I cannot get anything displayed. Here is the lspci output: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: S3 Inc. 86C365 Trio3D AGP Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 1 The system is a Pentium II on an ABIT LX6 motherboard (based on the intel 440LX chipset). -- Frank v Waveren Fingerprint: 21A7 C7F3 fvw@[var.cx|stack.nl|dse.nl|chello.nl] ICQ#10074100 1FF3 47FF 545C CB53 Public key: hkp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7BD9 09C0 3AC1 6DF2 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:49:31 +0100 From: Frank v Waveren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Trio 64 3D Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops, the hanging issue was caused by a mouse not being openable. However, the problems persist. I'm now getting the same part of the desktop multiple times on my screen (tiled vertically) and depending on which mode green vertical lines (which, as would be expected do no corrupt the hardware cursor but do corrupt the cursor drawn in software). Anybody got any suggestions or modes known to work with this specific card? -- Frank v Waveren Fingerprint: 21A7 C7F3 fvw@[var.cx|stack.nl|dse.nl|chello.nl] ICQ#10074100 1FF3 47FF 545C CB53 Public key: hkp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7BD9 09C0 3AC1 6DF2 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:43:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Andrew C Aitchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, J. Imlay wrote: > I think it would be very interesting if there was a public archive of > these "private lists. It would give people on the outside a better > understanding of what is actually being talked about and actively worked > on. Also it would make a lot of us much less ignorant. (and that's a good > thing for everyone) On checking, it appears that, apart from the lists for submitted patches, all the private lists are defunct except for one, the devel list. > Or are there actual resons why outsiders can't read these lists? > (copyright stuff and what not?) Officially, that is the only reason why the devel list still exists, but devel does still have a lot of traffic that could perfectly well be made public. I have to admit that I feel different about the xpert and devel lists. Xpert has a lot more traffic, and lots of traffic that, while it needs an export to answer it, doesn't really interest an expert. Devel has thus become a list that I read in a different from a of mind from xpert. I'm partly to blame for this "dumbing down"; since I don't read newbie anyone with a problem that needs my help has to ask on xpert :-( It may just have been teething or technical problems with the experiment in moderating xpert to block spam, but I got the impression that the traffic was more than we could comfortably moderate. Otherwise I'd suggest splitting devel into a closed list for things that had to kept confidential, and a moderated, archived public list. -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:55:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Andrew C Aitchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Radeon mobility and external monitor Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, sjb wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Sony Vaio with a Radeon Mobility .. X runs fine at 1024 x 768 > on the LCD panel, but when I plug in an external monitor it runs at 800 > x 600 and a warning appears in the log .. > > (WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1024x768 is out of range. > Valid mode should be between 640x480-800x600 > XFree86 Version 4.1.0 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) > Release Date: 2 June 2001 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is > newer than the above date, look for a newer version before > reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) The Radeon support for external monitors on laptops has improved a lot since 4.1.0. You should at least upgrade to 4.2.1, but if you can, use a recent CVS build, since this has been worked on a lot since 4.2[.1]. -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:09:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Andrew C Aitchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Kuang-Ching Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Xpert]X Windows System problem for RedHat 8.0 on IBM Thinkpad R32 on Windows-hosted vmware Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Kuang-Ching Wang wrote: > I am installing redhat 8.0 on my IBM thinkpad laptop R32. XFree86 fails > to start after installatoin complaining about "No screens found." Is it > something specific to the way I configure my laptop LCD display, or is > it about VMware?. > Below I attach the XF86Config contents and the crash log. When running under Windows-hosted vmware, use the vmware driver not the radeon driver. -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:47:05 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:43:53AM +0000, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: [...] > >I have to admit that I feel different about the xpert and devel lists. >Xpert has a lot more traffic, and lots of traffic that, while it needs >an export to answer it, doesn't really interest an expert. Devel has >thus become a list that I read in a different from a of mind from >xpert. > [...] > >Otherwise I'd suggest splitting devel into a closed list for things >that had to kept confidential, and a moderated, archived public list. After all the posts here before about the status and roles of the xpert and private lists the only certain thing is that there is no certainty! As said before I would like to be able to follow the XFree86 development closely - wherever that is... So I would like to see the idea of spliting the devel to come true not only because I don't foresee my XFree86 membership application being processed within my lifetime, but also because I think that open source development should be _open_ too. José Fonseca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? From: Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03 Nov 2002 13:26:08 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AA> On checking, it appears that, apart from the lists for submitted patches, AA> all the private lists are defunct except for one, the devel list. >> Or are there actual resons why outsiders can't read these lists? >> (copyright stuff and what not?) AA> Officially, that is the only reason why the devel list still exists, AA> but devel does still have a lot of traffic that could perfectly well AA> be made public. With a few exceptions, though, nowadays most of the interesting traffic is on xpert. The private devel list is mostly used for urgent internal announcements (e.g. announcements of feature freezes), interesting information that we don't want to see on slashdot (``I met B. G. III in the lift and he told me that XFree86 sucks'') and, very rarely, internal disagreements. You are really not loosing much. But we do feel more comfortable with an internal list. Juliusz --__--__-- Message: 14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]VNC and freetype - please Help! From: Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03 Nov 2002 13:33:37 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if the VNC X server supports TrueType fonts. If not, you could run an XFree86 font server and point your VNC X server at it. Juliusz --__--__-- Message: 15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]Questions about TinyX (simultaneous monochrome & color screen xserver) From: Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03 Nov 2002 13:32:58 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MN> 1. Can TinyX use monochrome buffer ( depth=1) in Linux even though the MN> folder of mfb is not used? Yes. fb can deal with 1bpp framebuffers. MN> 2. If the answer to above question is YES, what are steps to create it in MN> Linux? Both Xvesa and Xfbdev will take depth one modes into account. The relevant code is in vesa.c:vesaScreenInitialize and fbdev.c:fbdevScreenInitialize respectively where fb[].visuals includes 1<<StaticGray and fb[].depth gets initialised to 1. Juliusz --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:55:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Andrew C Aitchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] José Fonseca: > As said before I would like to be able to follow the XFree86 development > closely - wherever that is... So I would like to see the idea of > spliting the devel to come true not only because I don't foresee my > XFree86 membership application being processed within my lifetime, but > also because I think that open source development should be _open_ too. Politically I agree with you. Personally I value being in a private club, but I wouldn't claim that the benefits to XFree86 (a bunch of developers with massaged egos is the only one I can think of) outweigh the costs (a bunch of developers with bruised egos). On 3 Nov 2002, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > You are really not loosing much. But we do feel more comfortable with > an internal list. Is it still possible to get onto the internal list, or has membership become fossilised because everything happens on the xpert list ? While we have discussions on devel that could be on xpert, we need a way for people like Jose to get onto the internal list. I'm not really sure about making devel public; how are people supposed to decide between newbie, xpert and devel ? I think the original idea was that the "please help me" stuff would be on newbie (although that name doesn't give the right impression) and xpert would only have discussion of future developments. By not reading newbie I guess I've messed that up, but if we made devel public I'd be afraid of another round of mailing list "inflation" (ie the xpert traffic moving to devel, only the people who read newbie reading xpert, and newbie stuff all moving to xpert :-). -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert End of Xpert Digest _______________________________________________ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
