[Xpert]Re: Appearance in X...

2002-06-09 Thread Mike A. Harris

On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Rolland Dudemaine wrote:

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>If so, wouldn't it be a good idea to make the default fonts true type ? 
>Then, the fonts would look good by default. And "basic" people would not 
>complain about this ugly font problem anymore...
>Of course, this should go without deprecating other font types, but that 
>goes without saying ...

That is entirely a configuration issue.  Put TrueType font 
directories first in your font path, and then they'll be looked 
at first.


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[Xpert]Re: Appearance in X...

2002-06-07 Thread Mike A. Harris

On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Xpert wrote:

>Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:41:06 +1000
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>Can anyone shed any light on why KDE looks so bad compared to Windows? The KDE 
>fonts are really rough and difficult to read, particularly when they are  
>small. I don't know that it is just just the lack of True Type fonts 
>(although this is probably a contributing factor) as I have installed a whole 
>bunch of Windows TTFs and it has made little difference.
>
>I have tried using True Type fonts and have checked the 
>"Anti-Aliasing for Fonts" box in the KDE Control Centre, but they are still 
>quite fuzzy compared to those in Windows.
>
>I am trying to get Red Hat 7.3 installed at my work to replace our network of 
>aging Win95 PCs, but I just _know_ that as soon as the staff see the terrible 
>fonts that they will reject it out of hand.
>
>I am evaluating Galeon, OpenOffice 1.0 and Evolution as that is all most of 
>our office will need, but the appearance compared to IE, MS Office and 
>Outlook is terrible.
>
>Can anyone offer any information/advice/website that will help me to get them 
>a Windows-quality display?

Make absolutely sure that you do not have any scaled bitmap fonts 
in your fontpath.  By default, if you list a directory containing 
bitmap fonts in your font path, they will be made available both 
scaled and unscaled.  Scaled bitmap fonts look atrocious.

ie:

Bad:  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
Good: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled

Note that this only pertains to the core X fonts served by xfs or 
the X server itself.  Check your xfs config /etc/X11/fs/config 
and ensure that all bitmap font directories contain the :unscaled 
suffix.

A large majority of ugly font issues are due to this problem.  
Future versions of XFree86 will come with bitmap fonts defaulting 
to unscaled only, and require usage of the new :scaled attribute 
on font path elements to select the ugly scaled bitmap fonts 
(for compatibility with any broken apps requiring them).

Another possibility is that you just do not have decent fonts
installed.  Out of the box, there are not a lot of Truetype fonts
installed on the system.  This is due to there simply being a
distinct lack of freely available and redistributeable truetype
fonts.  As such, a default install, will give you the default few 
truetype and type1 fonts.  You will need to install Microsoft 
webfonts and/or other truetype fonts from Windows or other 
software which you have legal license of, or download other fonts 
off the web.  There are tonnes of free fonts out there.  We would 
include many of them if the licencing terms allowed us to do so, 
however they do not.

If the problem you're describing is determined to be due to
something else, we'll need a lot more information, screenshots,
etc. to be able to hazard a guess as to what is going wrong.

Linux/XFree86/KDE/GNOME is certainly becoming a very good 
desktop, however it does still require a bit of tweaking ala 
fonts et al. before it looks reasonably like our Windows 
counterpart.

If you're looking to avoid the Microsoft tax, and you're willing
to tweak a bit (for the time being), the benefits of using Linux
are well worth it IMHO.  Also, there is much work being done in 
the area of fonts within the XFree86 community, in particular 
Keith Packard's Xft2 and fontconfig.  I believe within 8-12 
months, most of the font related headaches that are frequently 
problems to XFree86 users, will have become a thing of the past.

Hope this helps.

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