[Xpert]Re: Decimal key on European keyboard layouts

2002-12-25 Thread Markus Kuhn 
Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote on 2002-12-13 10:13 UTC:
 Looking at the unicode charts (especially the character name index
   http://www.unicode.org/charts/charindex.html
 ) I see that ASCII dot 0x2E has become Unicode 0x002E Decimal Point
 and ASCII comma 0x2C has become 0x002C decimal separator.
 http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf
 renders these in the English way, not the continental one you desire.

U+002E = FULL STOP
U+002C = COMMA

There is no question at all in Unicode about how these two characters
have to be rendered. Their rendering is locale independent.

There was discussion long ago about adding a decimal separator
character to Unicode, but the idea was considered unnecessary and
confusing and therefore dropped. ISO has in the past suggested to use a
tiny downwards-facing triangle that is around the size of a full stop or
comma as a culturally neutral glyph for a decimal separator key, but
that too has not caught on.

Markus

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[Xpert]Re: Decimal key on European keyboard layouts

2002-12-15 Thread Mike A. Harris 
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Robin Rosenberg wrote:

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Subject: Re: Decimal key on European keyboard layouts

söndagen den 15 december 2002 00.08 skrev Christian Rose:
[...]
 So it seems the comment is only about that it should really be a decimal
 comma and not just an ordinary comma. It seems the comment is not about
 the purpose of the fix being wrong.

The problem, I assume, is that there may be applications looking at the key symbol,
and not just the associated character and those might be broken by the fix. I don't
know if there are any such, since the fix should only apply when NumLock is on.

 If anyone can give any pointers on how to correctly adapt this fix for
 the se, fi, dk, nl, no, de_CH, and de layouts, that would be most
 helpful. I'm not sure I understand the file format well enough.

I can't resist an attempt. My server(s) eat the attached patches. Apply using: 

patch -p0 -b sekp.patch

Since I'm not sure Iceland is not included. Should it? 

I believe the correct fix is to use KP_Separator


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Re: [Xpert]Re: Decimal key on European keyboard layouts

2002-12-15 Thread Robin Rosenberg 
söndagen den 15 december 2002 21.31 skrev Mike A. Harris:

 I believe the correct fix is to use KP_Separator

Didn't know of that one (as most other internals in XFree). I made new patches
(against CVS this time). I noted that the german keyboard was fixed a while ago,
and this is the same patch.

To apply the patch directly to an installed XFree do:
cd /etc/X11/xkb/symbols
patch -p3 -b  keypad-se+no-dk-fi.diff

Where do I send the patch (attached) so It gets itself into CVS?

A related question is: Where do I find a working archive of the mailing lists?


-- robin

Index: programs/xkbcomp/symbols/dk
===
RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/dk,v
retrieving revision 3.6
diff -u -r3.6 dk
--- programs/xkbcomp/symbols/dk	2001/01/17 23:45:58	3.6
+++ programs/xkbcomp/symbols/dk	2002/12/15 22:20:58
@@ -75,7 +75,9 @@
  	[  dead_tilde,  dead_caron  ]};
 
 
-// End alphanumeric section
+// End alphanumeric section, begin Keypad
+key KPDL {	[  KP_Delete,	KP_Separator	]	};
+// End Keypad section
 
 // begin modifier mappings
 
Index: programs/xkbcomp/symbols/fi
===
RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/fi,v
retrieving revision 3.8
diff -u -r3.8 fi
--- programs/xkbcomp/symbols/fi	2002/10/11 02:00:29	3.8
+++ programs/xkbcomp/symbols/fi	2002/12/15 22:20:59
@@ -84,7 +84,9 @@
 key AD12 {   	[  dead_diaeresis, dead_circumflex  ],
  	[  dead_tilde,  dead_caron  ]};
 
-// End alphanumeric section
+// End alphanumeric section, begin Keypad
+key KPDL {	[  KP_Delete,	KP_Separator	]	};
+// End Keypad section
 
 // Begin modifier mappings
 
Index: programs/xkbcomp/symbols/no
===
RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/no,v
retrieving revision 3.9
diff -u -r3.9 no
--- programs/xkbcomp/symbols/no	2001/01/17 23:45:59	3.9
+++ programs/xkbcomp/symbols/no	2002/12/15 22:20:59
@@ -75,7 +75,9 @@
  	[  dead_tilde,  dead_caron  ]};
 
  
-// End alphanumeric section
+// End alphanumeric section, begin Keypad
+key KPDL {	[  KP_Delete,	KP_Separator	]	};
+// End Keypad section
 
 // begin modifier mappings
 
Index: programs/xkbcomp/symbols/se
===
RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/se,v
retrieving revision 3.9
diff -u -r3.9 se
--- programs/xkbcomp/symbols/se	2002/12/14 01:41:12	3.9
+++ programs/xkbcomp/symbols/se	2002/12/15 22:20:59
@@ -77,7 +77,9 @@
  	[  dead_tilde,  dead_caron  ]};
 
  
-// End alphanumeric section
+// End alphanumeric section, begin Keypad
+key KPDL {	[  KP_Delete,	KP_Separator	]	};
+// End Keypad section
 
 // begin modifier mappings