Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal

2017-11-15 Thread Len Philpot
> You can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning 
>
or ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at
>
the time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures,
> u
ntil it's just annoying.

Let's see... g*, k*, q*, x* ... I guess minor consolation is that it's
not unique to unix/Linux: win*, mac*... or for that matter, i*, e*? I
guess I shouldn't lean too much on "e", since I'm reading this via
email.  :-)

Like you said, it's cute for a while but soon wears thin, ending up
looking amateurish and somehow (to me, at least) childish.

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Len Philpotlphilpot01@gmail.comSent from Evolution on Xubuntu Linux
On Wed, 2017-11-15 at 22:15 +, Peter Flynn wrote:
> On 15/11/17 07:01, Teresa e Junior wrote:
> > 
> > Em 14/11/2017 21:50, Len Philpot escreveu:
> > > 
> > > From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more
> > > options
> > > and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were
> > > good
> > > points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults
> > > always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up
> > > being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults
> > > (i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer
> > > I would've bought one.  :-)
> > I settled with Xubuntu exactly because of this. You have the whole
> > power of Debian behind you, so you can configure your system as much
> > as any other distribution, while at the same time having sane
> > defaults for most packages.
> I fit into exactly the same category, although I gave up on GNOME,
> Xfce, 
> KDE, and variants once I discovered Enlightenment. I have flirted
> with 
> other distributions, but Xubuntu has always done what I need.
> > The only problem is that they stopped 32-bit distros at 16.10, and we 
> have a few old emergency laptops in the office which we were
> carefully 
> keeping up to date (and Xubuntu 16.04 runs perfectly on them). Now
> we'll 
> have to replace them.
> > Len's point about good arguments both sides is a good one. What I
> tend 
> to be wary of is applications or interfaces written solely because
> the 
> programmer is enamoured of a new technology or library or toolkit.
> You 
> can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning or 
> ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at
> the 
> time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures,
> until 
> it's just annoying.
> > ///Peter

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Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal

2017-11-15 Thread Peter Flynn

On 15/11/17 07:01, Teresa e Junior wrote:

Em 14/11/2017 21:50, Len Philpot escreveu:

From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more options
and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were good
points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults
always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up
being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults
(i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer
I would've bought one.  :-)


I settled with Xubuntu exactly because of this. You have the whole
power of Debian behind you, so you can configure your system as much
as any other distribution, while at the same time having sane
defaults for most packages.


I fit into exactly the same category, although I gave up on GNOME, Xfce, 
KDE, and variants once I discovered Enlightenment. I have flirted with 
other distributions, but Xubuntu has always done what I need.


The only problem is that they stopped 32-bit distros at 16.10, and we 
have a few old emergency laptops in the office which we were carefully 
keeping up to date (and Xubuntu 16.04 runs perfectly on them). Now we'll 
have to replace them.


Len's point about good arguments both sides is a good one. What I tend 
to be wary of is applications or interfaces written solely because the 
programmer is enamoured of a new technology or library or toolkit. You 
can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning or 
ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at the 
time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures, until 
it's just annoying.


///Peter

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