Re: [xubuntu-users] Getting xubuntu

[Richard Owlett]

On 8/23/2016 5:32 AM, Justin O'Shea wrote:

Hi David

I don't think Xubuntu fits on a CD any more. You would need a
DVD. There is the minimal install version which fits on a CD but
that's for installing only, not running a live session. If you
are unable to download an iso, there is website called OSDisc.com
 but I have never
dealt with them so can't vouch for them.



I have used OSDisc for several years and have found the 
responsive. My original motivation was avoiding downloading 
CDs/DVDs over dialup.



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Re: [xubuntu-users] Is it possible to edit the right-click menu?

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/8/2017 6:42 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:

On Thu 2017-01-05 (09:19), Kevin O'Gorman wrote:


I made what I thought was a minimal edit to
~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu,
just moving one line down in a "layout" section.  Immediately all my window
decorations went blank, and I could not so much as start a terminal
emulator.  I installed a new copy of xubuntu beside this one for
comparison


You can look at /etc/skel/ for defaults file when you create a new user.



So I renamed it on the broken system (I figured that was a bit safer
than just deleting it)


See http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/del.html




*THANK YOU*
Browsing the (.*) scripts under /etc/skel/  was illuminating.
I would suggest that any new to Linux browse 
http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/index.html just to gain perspective 
of what can be done at the command line.
As I have a machine dedicated to experimenting with configuration 
options (emphasis on 'look and feel') I suspect linuxclone and 
usbmount are going to become familiar.



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Re: [xubuntu-users] shell tools (was Re: Is it possible to edit the right-click menu?)

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/8/2017 8:50 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:

On Sun 2017-01-08 (08:24), Richard Owlett wrote:


http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/del.html



I would suggest that any new to Linux browse
http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/index.html just to gain perspective
of what can be done at the command line.


Beware!
This is only for Real Men [TM] without fear because no clicky-pointy ;-)


See also:

http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/bash.html
http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/vv.html




Will likely be useful also.
P.S. Real Men fondly remember using an 026 or KSR35 to 
communicate with CORC, CUPL, TECO, CP/M-80, et cetera. Do I 
predate rodents?






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Re: [xubuntu-users] shell tools (was Re: Is it possible to edit the right-click menu?)

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/8/2017 10:05 AM, Len Philpot wrote:

TECO ... fondly?:-)  :-)


It did teach me to watch my punctuation. IIRC it was a misused 
comma or semicolon in an edit macro that put me in an infinite loop.
Besides its what was available in the department at the time - 
was an Engr Tech at DEC at the time.




I think I tried it once... kinda like EMACS. Just once. I do vi
for quick stuff all over the place, but even so I'll jump to
(e.g.) Geanyfor longer-term editing. However, use vi on Solaris
for while and it'll make you appreciate Vim greatly.  :-)


*Len Philpot*
lphilpo...@gmail.com <mailto:lphilpo...@gmail.com>
/Sent from Thunderbird on Xubuntu Linux/
On 01/08/2017 09:44 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/8/2017 8:50 AM, Ulli Horlacher wrote:

On Sun 2017-01-08 (08:24), Richard Owlett wrote:


http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/del.html



I would suggest that any new to Linux browse
http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/index.html just to gain perspective
of what can be done at the command line.


Beware!
This is only for Real Men [TM] without fear because no
clicky-pointy ;-)


See also:

http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/bash.html
http://fex.belwue.de/fstools/vv.html




Will likely be useful also.
P.S. Real Men fondly remember using an 026 or KSR35 to
communicate with CORC, CUPL, TECO, CP/M-80, et cetera. Do I
predate rodents?













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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/14/2017 6:40 AM, Chris Green wrote:

[snip]
reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
HTML, LateX and others.

See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net

I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.



I picked up on that you use it for writing notes.
I have been looking for a note taking tool. A requirement is that 
it has some sort of hyperlinking capability. I've yet to come 
across anything personally attractive.


The link you gave points to low level detail information.
It conceals what I'm looking for.
To use a (possibly) poor analogy, I'm looking for a page written 
by "marketing" rather than "engineering". It would likely be in a 
format that would be natural for Wikipedia.

Thank you.




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/14/2017 10:16 AM, Chris Green wrote:

On 1/14/2017 6:40 AM, Chris Green wrote:

[snip]
reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
HTML, LateX and others.

See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net

I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.



I picked up on that you use it for writing notes.
I have been looking for a note taking tool. A requirement is that it has
some sort of hyperlinking capability. I've yet to come across anything
personally attractive.


reStructuredText can do hyperlinks but if you think about it
hyperlinks in text are rather difficult to tie down.


*GRIN* That's why I hadn't found a satisfying candidate.


It depends a lot
on the context how the hyperlink should work.



The link you gave points to low level detail information.
It conceals what I'm looking for.


Yes, I'm aware that the reStructuredText 'home' pages drop you in at
rather a low level.

There's a rather more 'user friendly' entry point at:- 
http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html


It has two links which provide effective propaganda.
  http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
  http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt

The key portion of the later is:
"The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, 
including a formal reference."
That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper 
linking I would need.

Off page references appear to be as simple.

I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a 
similar document. I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" 
to an extreme ;/










To use a (possibly) poor analogy, I'm looking for a page written by
"marketing" rather than "engineering". It would likely be in a format that
would be natural for Wikipedia.


There is a Wikipedia entry too:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReStructuredText




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/14/2017 12:13 PM, Chris Green wrote:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:20:59AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt

The key portion of the later is:
"The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, including a
formal reference."
That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper linking I would
need.
Off page references appear to be as simple.

I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a similar document.
I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" to an extreme ;/


It's python-docutils (or python3-docutils), is that what you meant?



Evidently yes. When I replied my Debian box wasn't handy. 
python-docutils was evidently installed when I specified the Mate 
DE on installation. I wanted to avoid installing as corpulent 
package such as the Tex related one that pereira mentioned.




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Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

[Richard Owlett]

TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
q.v. 

Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this 
forum useful.


On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote:

Hi all,

For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned
it, the purpose of this thread is simple:

My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my
rookie means, in a threefold manner...


Don't knock it. Not only do you recognize (perhaps unconsciously) 
TANSTAAFL, but you saw a means to contribute by means other than 
programming. Other ways include proof reading &/or writing documentation 
and filing good bug reports.




1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists
and turns that the replies take, often going astray into subjects
that have nothing to do with their original subject.


I assume you are referring to
.



When that deviation from the original sibject happens, people are
welcome to bring that deviation into here. That way the threads can
remain as useful references to their titled subjects and with
valuable info pertaining to that subject alone


You have chosen one of the possible solutions, one appropriate to your 
apparent goals.

In this post I chose a different method to achieve two goals:
  A. maintain close relationship to original thread.
  B. identify aspect of interest.



2) To bring forth insights into pros and cons of one too many things
linux related and

3) To gather as many and varied views and opinions - preferably with
sensible explanations as to "why" - as possible, which can bring
precious insights into the needs and expectations that users have
from their particular linux distro (in this case xubuntu xfce);
a graphical or musical user will have different needs and
expectations than a math teacher, an
average user, a programmer, a forensic analyst, etc...

This can in due course offer a substantial picture, map, of what is
lacking, what can be improved and how, etc...

I have asked Ralph to please be the Prosecutor beating the crap out
of me, who will be the horned bugger's advocate :)  I hope he
accepts, as he has very good views and strong opinions well
reasoned...

So... I'll open it with a subject that is pertinent enough to have
some buying me a coffee and others hanging me by my balls :)

Give me a few minutes to dawn a pair of kevlar undies and I'll kick
start the fuss :)



I classify software differently than some people. I have a strong 
preference for FOSS for its emphasis on "free/libre" as in "free" 
speech. This is in contrast to "free/gratis". NOTE BENE: there there are 
many cases where proprietary software is available gratis - e.g. 
proprietary device drivers.


I've been a computer *USER* since taking a required programming course 
as an E.E. student in the early 60's. My PC's have ranged from a Kim 
with 1k RAM, through some CPM-80 systems with 16-64k to my my current 
3GB Debian Stretch systems [with long detour using MS DOS -> WinXP].


I abandoned MS when they drifted from being a useful tool to requiring 
me to think in line with "the ONE true path" The final break was they 
effectively wanted me to rent new software that didn't meet my 
needs/desires any better than nominally obsolete product.


It is often not recognized that Microsoft, Apple, Canonical, Red Hat, 
Debian, and Ubuntu have something very much in common. They have one 
purpose in mind - providing product that matches their specific view of 
what the customer needs. I tried multiple distros - Debian was the best 
fit for _me_ [sometimes in hard to explicitly define ways].












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Re: [xubuntu-users] A side divagation Re: The Devil's Advocate

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/14/2017 09:32 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote:

OK. I need to make a little detour to see if I can convey what I wish
to express in sensible terms.

 [snip]

Windows and linux users are of both types alike. With one major
difference...

In linuxland, much richer of adventurous and inquisitive types, the
comfort-zone traditionalists are such by their own choice and volition.

In windowsland however, the adventurous and inquisitive types have little
if any choice but to remain traditionalist, because the very nature of
windowsland "molds" and brain washes them into such a state of acceptance,
by not giving them any other choice.

Then, of course, their inquisitive and adventurous natures sooner or later
start to have claustrophic panic attacks... and yet, they are conditioned
to believe that they have no choice.

Another peculiarity about humans, is a sickening and almost unconscious
collective social tendency to stigmatization and stupid prejudice.

So. All the above said, here's the crunch...

I'm very reluctant and worried to mention that the distro that I would like
to see acting as a safe bridge for windowers to transition to linuxers, is
already out there and I can't think of any better one.

Because the moment I name it, human tendencies kick in and prejudice and
stigmatization will hit it from linuxland, by automatically starting to
diminish it, and ostracize it as a "lesser distro", a traitor of sorts to
linux, a "muggle" in the wizardry world.

And yet, the truth is that it is actually a fabulous piece of software
wizardry and a testament to its creators' skills, understanding of the
balance between practicality and user needs, and creativity.

I'm of course talking of xubuntu with xfce.





A few years ago when wanting to escape Microsoft, I was referred to 
Ubuntu [don't recall then current version].
For me Canonical had the same problem as Microsoft - they both 
essentially promoted a "one true way" ;/
They underlying cause was the same for both - desire to match PERCEIVED 
of their perceived target audience.
I found that Debian was ~parent of Ubuntu. Investigation showed how my 
desired goals could be accomplished straight forwardly. It is an 
extension of your earlier comment that Linux users are more adventurous 
than typical Windows user. At that time Debian had an appeal for more 
peculiar user.
I found that Gnome2 gave me what I liked from Win3.1 that was no longer 
available in current Windows releases. I currently find Mate meets my 
needs/desires.


IOW I basically agree with you.






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Re: [xubuntu-users] Resolution and DPI

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/04/2018 11:00 AM, Joe Schneider wrote:

My GPD Pocket (1920*1080) runs with Xubuntu 16.04 LTS, which is my standard OS 
also on an X220. My problem is that expanding on a second monitor with lower 
resolution (1280*1024) does not work successfully on the GPD. The fonts are 
much too big. On my X220 the connection to this monitor works perfectly (their 
resolutions are more similar). Xubuntu does not give good solutions, xrandr did 
not help (at least it is not stable). Are there any improvements planned for 
18.04 LTS?



I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, but I've found posts to this group 
valuable. Time to return the favor.


I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T510 with a "wide by short" display. It trashes 
some sites which presume that the whole world operates on a 4:3 aspect 
ratio. What are the symptoms that cause you to say " xrandr did not help 
(at least it is not stable)" ?






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