[Yade-users] [Question #290423]: Interal friction angle - repose angle

2016-04-11 Thread Seti
New question #290423 on Yade:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/290423

Hi all,

As I have understand in YADE by considering  Mohr-Coulomb theory the  INTERNAL 
friction ( which be assigned to material as its property)  is combination  of 
static friction and interlocking .

In other words combination of peak and residual friction angle (?)
So as you may know, we can assume the angle of repose ( the static angle of 
material) equal to residual friction angel.
If I do some parametric study on friction angle definitely by increasing the 
internal friction angle ( the only kind of friction in YADE???) , the repose 
angle will be increase. Now this  question will be raised,  is there any chance 
to introduce peak and residual friction angle individually in order to compare 
angle of repose to residual friction angle ?

if no , is  INTERNAL friction , mean of peak and residual ? or,


I hope explain my question in appropriate way. if no, no drama, I will try 
again ;)


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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #290423]: Interal friction angle - repose angle

2016-04-11 Thread Seti
Question #290423 on Yade changed:
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Description changed to:
Hi all,

As I have understood in YADE by considering  Mohr-Coulomb theory the
INTERNAL friction ( which be assigned to material as its property)  is
combination  of static friction and interlocking .

In other words combination of peak and residual friction angle (?)
So as you may know, we can assume the angle of repose ( the static angle of 
material) equal to residual friction angel.
If I do some parametric study on friction angle definitely by increasing the 
internal friction angle ( the only kind of friction in YADE???) , the repose 
angle will be increase. Now this  question will be raised,  is there any chance 
to introduce peak and residual friction angle individually in order to compare 
angle of repose to residual friction angle ?

if no , is  INTERNAL friction , mean of peak and residual ? or,


I hope explain my question in appropriate way. if no, no drama, I will try 
again ;)

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #290423]: Interal friction angle - repose angle

2016-04-12 Thread Jérôme Duriez
Question #290423 on Yade changed:
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Status: Open => Answered

Jérôme Duriez proposed the following answer:
Hi,

It seems to me you try to identify
* macroscopic values such as the peak or residual friction angle as observed in 
a triaxial test on a sample, or the repose angle of another sample
* to microscopic values such as the friction angle at the contact between two 
discrete elements.

This is *not* possible in DEM. The macroscopic friction angle as
observed e.g. at peak or residual states during triaxial compressions
depends of other things than the microscopic friction angle assigned in
YADE (or any DEM code) between two elements.

The first example that comes to my mind is the figure 3.19 of
[Chareyre2003] (see https://yade-dem.org/doc/references.html). No need
to understand french to get the figure's meaning: the local friction
angle (between two DE) is on the x-axis while the macroscopic friction
angle (the one observed during triaxial test, at peak state)is on the
y-axis.

It is clear from the Figure that for one given local friction angle, you
can get different macro friction angles (i.e. different Mohr-Coulomb
internal friction angles), depending e.g. from the porosity.

Jerome

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #290423]: Interal friction angle - repose angle

2016-04-16 Thread Seti
Question #290423 on Yade changed:
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Status: Answered => Solved

Seti confirmed that the question is solved:
Thanks Jérôme Duriez, that solved my question.

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