Re: [ydl-gen] usb drives
Robert, Anybody know how to format a usb drive for use by YDL 6.2? Also, can this formatting be done on a Mac or a PC? My experience is as follows: a) I have never found a USB drive, factory or consumer formatting that YDL cannot read by simply inserting and then double-clicking on the Computer icon on the Desktop. b) Fat32 is the most common by factories, and the most portable between multiple OSes. c) However, if you are using the USB drive for any sort of OS level backup or expansion, you may want to format your USB drive as a native ext3. d) If you are sharing the USB drive with OSX, you may want to format it with OSX's native Extended format in order that both YDL and OSX may share the files easily and retain all UNIX based file information (see bottom for more about OSX/ext3 file sharing). e) If you are using rsync to backup from your YDL box to a USB drive (as I do when I travel, keeping the USB bu in a sep coat pocket or wallet), fat32 will choke as the rsync command attempts to set permissions for each file transferred and fat32 does not support this -- yes, the files will transfer but an error will spew with each and every file (annoying!). On a side note, as I have my internal drive split into 3 major partitions (YDL /, OSX /, and Data), I have Data formatted by OSX even though it is used primarily by YDL (I only reboot into OSX to watch .mov files). In order that OSX and YDL may share these files seamlessly, I edited /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to match my YDL user ID to that of Mac OSX (500 in YDL, 501 in OSX) and then chown kstaats:kstaats to all files in my /home/kstaats dir and wha-lah! I then edited /etc/fstab to auto-mount the Data partition. OSX and YDL share files without a glitch on the Data partition (thanks to Chris Murtagh for the original instructions on this process). A bit more than you asked for, but hopefully this helps. kai ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
pathetic? Trying to collect some clams in exchange for the offerings seems perfectly legit. What I'd call pathetic is condemning old, perfectly functioning hardware to the dumps Mr. S J style. YDL is the only viable thing that keeps a lot of machines from being totally useless. --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kai Staats k...@overthesun.com wrote: From: Kai Staats k...@overthesun.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:31 AM On Friday 15 January 2010 07:38, Young-Min Park wrote: Don't call yourselves open source if it's not free. This is an outrage to everyone who as ever volunteered their time and expertise to open source projects without pay. I recommend you review free download from the public mirrors: http://ydl.net/support/downloads/ YDL has been freely available since inception in the spring of 1999. DVDs and private download from a dedicated, high-bandwidth server were made available as a paid product for the sake of simple installation, a choice made by the customer. kai ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com' ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] Java on PS3
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:02:13 + Pat Wall pjw...@mac.com wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:49:19 + Pat Wall pjw...@mac.com wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:45:24 -0500 Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: ... You must symbolically link the plug-in, rather than copy it, so that the browser and plug-in can locate the JVM. Presumably if it doesn't register in the first instance it can't crash Firefox. Hi Pat, I appreciate your clarification. However, I've not experienced any crashes or difficulties Firefox within YDL 6.2 resulting from the method I posted. Indeed, despite the advice recommending a symbolic or soft link I was able to play on my old favorite game site which is very java intensive using the method I posted previously. The version of Firefox I'm using is the standard release which was installed in YDL 6.2. = Refranes/Popular sayings: The Taino say:No hay mal que por bien no venga. There is no evil out of which good cannot blossom. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] Java on PS3
Hi Pat, I appreciate your clarification. However, I've not experienced any crashes or difficulties Firefox within YDL 6.2 resulting from the method I posted. Indeed, despite the advice recommending a symbolic or soft link I was able to play on my old favorite game site which is very java intensive using the method I posted previously. The version of Firefox I'm using is the standard release which was installed in YDL 6.2. Hi Derick That's very interesting. I just couldn't get the plugin to register by cp'ing, other than that, no adverse effects. Must be something peculiar to my setup. Anyway I think I better stop tinkering now before I break something ;-) All the best Pat ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:38:18 -0500 Young-Min Park smpl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't call yourselves open source if it's not free. This is an outrage to everyone who as ever volunteered their time and expertise to open source projects without pay. Hi Park: Judging from your comment, it appears there is some misunderstanding of what is offered as a commercial service/product and what is open source. Briefly, there are multiple definitions of open source around the world which are explained here: http://www.opensource.org/ If you can take the time to explore the various licenses and kinds of open source commitments which many companies adhere to and expect their users to adhere to as well, you'll observe the very large breadth or gap of intention and meaning of all these various licenses -- it is an education to explore as much of them as possible. Although various companies do offer some of their software products as open source they define the conditions they choose to do so and those conditions express widely differing definitions, and circumstances regarding when such a process will be done. The expectations and obligations by those using their software also differ. Some companies state very clearly that if the reader doesn't agree to the terms of what the company or project is offering, then one must not use the software. Some of what companies and projects offer is committed to open source only after a period of time and/or under particular circumstances. PGP (pgp.com), for instance, makes their contribution in two different ways. They offer a trial software product for Windows and OS X which after 30 days provides some, not all the functions, of their commercial product. In other words, the trial version after 30 days, functions as free software has less functionality of the trial version, but remains quite useful as free software. They also contribute to the GnuGP project so that gpg2 can run something called OpenPGP or OpenGP which allows for public keys created with the trial or free version or other commercial products of PGP to be understood by gpg2. Individuals and companies have the right to determine the terms and conditions of their employment. This means also that a person (an individual human or commercial entity) can freely determine when they will charge for services for their product and/or when they will contribute to open source or other community based or free effort. The obligation for everyone however is to become clearer regarding which licenses and commercial/non-commercial obligations or expectations one is agreeing to. I prefer an agreement based on a handshake. We are all a long way from those days, especially as our current transactions of services span across the planet. What we can do however is to clarify the terms and means of our relationships to one another which although challenging to examine and consider -- in the long run can help smooth the means for cooperation. = Refranes/Popular sayings: The Taino say:No hay mal que por bien no venga. There is no evil out of which good cannot blossom. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] (not at all) pathetic
very good point Mike. What I really meant to say, is that I'd love to see something like PuppyLinux or DamnSamllLinux equivalent for the older hardware. By older I mean G3 ( as in iMac rev. A or B ). Something REALLY slimmed down. My graphite iBook 466 just went belly up for good, and it was a champ to the end :-( iMac G3 is still kicking strong, will have to get YDL back on it. My kid wanted to use it for a while, so I put 10.3 on it, but it's all MINE again :-) --- On Fri, 1/15/10, significant@gmail.com significant@gmail.com wrote: From: significant@gmail.com significant@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] (not at all) pathetic To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:39 PM As Tomasz says, there's nothing fishy about charging for an open-source product. Especially since terra soft and now fixstars only charge for early and convenient access, also offering YDL via free download. I purchased YDL 2.0 back in my modem days, got discs, maybe a binder, and some rad stickers. Got version 5 from Kai at a power.org gathering (thanks, btw!), and downloaded their latest release. That's an amazing value for $50 paid ten years ago! On the other partition, I've had to pay for Mac OS 8.5, 9.0, 10.3, 10.4, 10..5, and the 3.0 software for iPod Touch. All together around $400 spread across ten years, not a steal but still worth the price. Now that the exhaustive (and exhausting) value comparison is over, I must take issue with some words in that same post: My main development machine is a PowerBook running Mac OS 10.5. Even though Apple has moved on to its more profitable customers (the ones who call it OS ex because they never heard of OS nine), I have never felt the need to drive the PowerBook to the dump. Our main PowerPC test machine is a hot-rod G4 Quicksilver running the latest YDL, Mac OS 10.5, 10.4, 9.2, even a tweaked 8.6. If fate chose any one of these OSes and destroyed the others, the computer would still be very far from useless. I must agree that regular users of any Mac OS prior to 10.4 are missing out on some great advances. But that was released five years ago and runs great on machines from ten years ago. As more years go by, and we continue to find new uses for computers, the latest PowerPC release of Mac OS will start to feel dated, just as trying to browse the web from Mac OS 9 feels today. So when that day comes, YDL may very well be the only viable option. I'm rooting for it, as I love Sony's PS3, Apple's systems, and being able to write PowerPC code in a nice modern OS. Mike Erwin -- Sent from my Palm Prē tomasz brymora wrote: pathetic? Trying to collect some clams in exchange for the offerings seems perfectly legit. What I'd call pathetic is condemning old, perfectly functioning hardware to the dumps Mr. S J style. YDL is the only viable thing that keeps a lot of machines from being totally useless. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
