Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who happens to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and one quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally ran OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school districts (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't even run OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there to be a viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these machines to enable their continued use. But it would have to install properly and not require a lot of command line work to enable file and screen sharing. Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just come out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 Again, thanks for your response. Cheers, Tom __ Thomas Carlson 2319 La Senda Santa Fe, NM 87505 505-603-5526 http://www.ifixoldmacs.com On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Hi Tom! > > The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs > on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize > keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in > traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, > or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. > > First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows > where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, > etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to > program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) > > Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily > using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. > Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but > the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to > expect: > http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html > > All the best... > > > On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > > ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? >> >>> Tom __ Thomas Carlson 2319 La Senda Santa Fe, NM 87505 505-603-5526 http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >> ___ >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com >> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >> HINT: to Google archives, try 'site:us.fixstars.com' >> >> > > ___ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com' ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
Unfortunately, development on YDL stopped with 6.2. Others have converted to Ubuntu, saying it works right out of the box. I haven't made the leap yet but will have to soon. It is debian based and comes with a rich desktop environment. On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 07:13 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: > First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. > > Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher > and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who happens > to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and one > quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally ran > OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school districts > (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't even run > OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there to be a > viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these machines to > enable their continued use. But it would have to install properly and not > require a lot of command line work to enable file and screen sharing. > > Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just come > out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing > development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, > the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that > the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of > command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X > because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem > with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to > work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. > > This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux > geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. > Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 > > Again, thanks for your response. > > Cheers, Tom > __ > Thomas Carlson > 2319 La Senda > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505-603-5526 > http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > > > > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > > > Hi Tom! > > > > The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs > > on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize > > keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in > > traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, > > or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. > > > > First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows > > where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, > > etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to > > program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) > > > > Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily > > using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. > > Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but > > the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to > > expect: > > http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html > > > > All the best... > > > > > > On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > > > > ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? > >> > >>> > > Tom > __ > Thomas Carlson > 2319 La Senda > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505-603-5526 > http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > >> ___ > >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com > >> Unsuscribe info: > >> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > >> HINT: to Google archives, try 'site:us.fixstars.com' > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com > > Unsuscribe info: > > http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > > HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com' > > ___ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com' > ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
Danny: I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either. Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4 digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially" supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far as I know. Cheers, Tom On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:30 AM, danny wrote: > Unfortunately, development on YDL stopped with 6.2. Others have > converted to Ubuntu, saying it works right out of the box. I haven't > made the leap yet but will have to soon. It is debian based and comes > with a rich desktop environment. > > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 07:13 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: >> First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. >> >> Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher >> and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who >> happens to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and >> one quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally >> ran OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school >> districts (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't >> even run OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there >> to be a viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these >> machines to enable their continued use. But it would have to install >> properly and not require a lot of command line work to enable file and >> screen sharing. >> >> Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just >> come out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing >> development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, >> the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that >> the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of >> command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X >> because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem >> with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to >> work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. >> >> This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux >> geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. >> Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: >> >> http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 >> >> Again, thanks for your response. >> >> Cheers, Tom >> __ >> Thomas Carlson >> 2319 La Senda >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505-603-5526 >> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom! >>> >>> The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs >>> on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize >>> keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in >>> traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, >>> or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. >>> >>> First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows >>> where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, >>> etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to >>> program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) >>> >>> Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily >>> using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. >>> Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but >>> the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to >>> expect: >>> http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html >>> >>> All the best... >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: >>> >>> ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? > >> >> Tom >> __ >> Thomas Carlson >> 2319 La Senda >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505-603-5526 >> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'site:us.fixstars.com' >>> >>> ___ >>> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com >>> Unsuscribe info: >>> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>> HINT: to Google archives, try ' site:us.fixstars.com' >> >> ___ >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@l
Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
Hi Tom!
Please remember that Ubuntu is a Debian deviant, or a "off-shoot" or
sub-branch of Debian. Also Debian came to support the PowerPC very,
very late, almost reluctantly after Ubuntu dropped official support.
If you would permit me to provide some information regarding what is
going on lately with YDL, please refer to this page here:
http://www.fixstars.com/en/company/press/20100720.html
You'll notice that the current version of YDL 6.2.1 which allows support
for modern boards. Terra Soft Solutions (TSS), you may recall was the
lead developer for PowerPC systems to such a degree that that Apple only
allowed TSS to resell PowerPC Macs with YDL and OS X/9 pre-installed
without voiding the Apple warranty! In brief, buying from TSS was as
much as add-ed value as buying from Apple itself. No other vendor could
claim such a relationship.
TSS was bought by Fixstars and you can read for yourself how they've
continued work here:
http://ydl.net/products/ydl/index.shtml
Also this page may interest you regarding YDL for Nvidia CUDA:
http://ydl.net/ydl_cuda/features.shtml
You could further access different pages regarding hardware support,
configuration, etc. on the same page. Take the time to go over the How
Tos ("How to" do this or that) -- they could be helpful given your
background and what you explained.
On 3/4/2011 11:05 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote:
> Danny:
>
> I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with
> the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either.
>
> Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4
> digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for
> about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially"
> supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far
> as I know.
>
> Cheers, Tom
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Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
Derick:
Interesting reading. As far as I can tell, YDL development for PowerMacs ended
in July of 2009. CUDA is for AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T.
You are right, Debian PPC was a sub-branch of the original Debian and has been
around only since August of 2000. YDL put out its first version 1.1 in March
of 1999, beating it to the punch by a year or so.
Actually, my first experience with Linux was with MkLinux which came out in
1996. I had it running on my PowerBook 1400. It only worked on NuBus Macs.
Some of the NuBus Linux diehards tried to keep things going until 2006 or so.
MkLinux still has its website up at...
http://www.mklinux.org/index.html
I think the dancing penguin with the shades is very cool.
Apple soon dropped it and went on to what would become OS X. Later, of course,
they dropped PPC just like Fixstars did. Oh, well. I don't mean to put
anybody down. Business is business.
Again, thanks for the response.
Tom
On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
> Hi Tom!
>
> Please remember that Ubuntu is a Debian deviant, or a "off-shoot" or
> sub-branch of Debian. Also Debian came to support the PowerPC very,
> very late, almost reluctantly after Ubuntu dropped official support.
>
> If you would permit me to provide some information regarding what is
> going on lately with YDL, please refer to this page here:
>
> http://www.fixstars.com/en/company/press/20100720.html
>
> You'll notice that the current version of YDL 6.2.1 which allows support
> for modern boards. Terra Soft Solutions (TSS), you may recall was the
> lead developer for PowerPC systems to such a degree that that Apple only
> allowed TSS to resell PowerPC Macs with YDL and OS X/9 pre-installed
> without voiding the Apple warranty! In brief, buying from TSS was as
> much as add-ed value as buying from Apple itself. No other vendor could
> claim such a relationship.
>
> TSS was bought by Fixstars and you can read for yourself how they've
> continued work here:
>
> http://ydl.net/products/ydl/index.shtml
>
> Also this page may interest you regarding YDL for Nvidia CUDA:
> http://ydl.net/ydl_cuda/features.shtml
>
> You could further access different pages regarding hardware support,
> configuration, etc. on the same page. Take the time to go over the How
> Tos ("How to" do this or that) -- they could be helpful given your
> background and what you explained.
>
>
> On 3/4/2011 11:05 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote:
>> Danny:
>>
>> I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with
>> the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either.
>>
>> Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4
>> digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for
>> about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially"
>> supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far
>> as I know.
>>
>> Cheers, Tom
>
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Re: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard.
Thanks for the correction. As regards these venerable aging machines it's pretty easy to misplace one's personal enthusiasm regarding a unique function or quality of a system's architecture as being something "anyone" should obviously appreciate in spite of the reality that there's little to no money to be made supporting such systems. As you say, "business is business". I like the dancing penguin as well! At least, Linux itself moves forward in interesting directions. The newer hardware is faster, has multi-cores and Linux has better tools to allow an interested learner to explore them with as much interest as one can bear with amazingly flexible open source tools. At least the "dance" continues..., for those willing to work through the steps! Of course, only people like ourselves would be interested in an event known as "Dancing with Linux! ;-) Derick. On 3/4/2011 6:03 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > Derick: > > Interesting reading. As far as I can tell, YDL development for PowerMacs > ended in July of 2009. CUDA is for AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T. > > You are right, Debian PPC was a sub-branch of the original Debian and has > been around only since August of 2000. YDL put out its first version 1.1 in > March of 1999, beating it to the punch by a year or so. > > Actually, my first experience with Linux was with MkLinux which came out in > 1996. I had it running on my PowerBook 1400. It only worked on NuBus Macs. > Some of the NuBus Linux diehards tried to keep things going until 2006 or so. > MkLinux still has its website up at... > > http://www.mklinux.org/index.html > > I think the dancing penguin with the shades is very cool. > > Apple soon dropped it and went on to what would become OS X. Later, of > course, they dropped PPC just like Fixstars did. Oh, well. I don't mean to > put anybody down. Business is business. > > Again, thanks for the response. > > Tom > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'site:us.fixstars.com'
