Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:04:59 +1300 Sam Lummis sam.lum...@gmail.com wrote: As Derick has said, OpenSource does in no way mean free. That's a connotation uninformed people consistently derive about Open Source Software. It's insulting that you'll insult a perfectly legitimate, well meaning company without doing your research. Hi Sam!! I was going to let this thread go into the vast cyber black-hole when I noticed your reply. I believe I know what got Park's goat. I can't be sure that what I believe is the source of his indignation, but it's a reasonable guess based on the timing of his response. I responded to a query posted on Jan 14, 2010 on the subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Installation fail on Blade JS22. The query expressed a complaint that YDL would not run on a Blade JS22. Early the next day, I responded with a link to a Fixstars posting explaining that YDEL is a commercial product designed to run on JS2x systems. Fixstar's error was that their webpages did not explicitly define, explain or emphasize the distinction between YDL and YDEL. Unfortunately, Fixstars has lost webpages and links as various internal changes were made. It is difficult for any organization to keep all software support documentation on their websites pristinely clear; it is even more difficult during periods of rapid business and technological changes to maintain clarity across a variety of cultures and languages. = Refranes/Popular sayings: The Taino say:No hay mal que por bien no venga. There is no evil out of which good cannot blossom. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
As Derick has said, OpenSource does in no way mean free. That's a connotation uninformed people consistently derive about Open Source Software. It's insulting that you'll insult a perfectly legitimate, well meaning company without doing your research. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:38:18 -0500 Young-Min Park smpl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't call yourselves open source if it's not free. This is an outrage to everyone who as ever volunteered their time and expertise to open source projects without pay. Hi Park: Judging from your comment, it appears there is some misunderstanding of what is offered as a commercial service/product and what is open source. Briefly, there are multiple definitions of open source around the world which are explained here: http://www.opensource.org/ If you can take the time to explore the various licenses and kinds of open source commitments which many companies adhere to and expect their users to adhere to as well, you'll observe the very large breadth or gap of intention and meaning of all these various licenses -- it is an education to explore as much of them as possible. Although various companies do offer some of their software products as open source they define the conditions they choose to do so and those conditions express widely differing definitions, and circumstances regarding when such a process will be done. The expectations and obligations by those using their software also differ. Some companies state very clearly that if the reader doesn't agree to the terms of what the company or project is offering, then one must not use the software. Some of what companies and projects offer is committed to open source only after a period of time and/or under particular circumstances. PGP (pgp.com), for instance, makes their contribution in two different ways. They offer a trial software product for Windows and OS X which after 30 days provides some, not all the functions, of their commercial product. In other words, the trial version after 30 days, functions as free software has less functionality of the trial version, but remains quite useful as free software. They also contribute to the GnuGP project so that gpg2 can run something called OpenPGP or OpenGP which allows for public keys created with the trial or free version or other commercial products of PGP to be understood by gpg2. Individuals and companies have the right to determine the terms and conditions of their employment. This means also that a person (an individual human or commercial entity) can freely determine when they will charge for services for their product and/or when they will contribute to open source or other community based or free effort. The obligation for everyone however is to become clearer regarding which licenses and commercial/non-commercial obligations or expectations one is agreeing to. I prefer an agreement based on a handshake. We are all a long way from those days, especially as our current transactions of services span across the planet. What we can do however is to clarify the terms and means of our relationships to one another which although challenging to examine and consider -- in the long run can help smooth the means for cooperation. = Refranes/Popular sayings: The Taino say:No hay mal que por bien no venga. There is no evil out of which good cannot blossom. ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com' ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
pathetic? Trying to collect some clams in exchange for the offerings seems perfectly legit. What I'd call pathetic is condemning old, perfectly functioning hardware to the dumps Mr. S J style. YDL is the only viable thing that keeps a lot of machines from being totally useless. --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kai Staats k...@overthesun.com wrote: From: Kai Staats k...@overthesun.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:31 AM On Friday 15 January 2010 07:38, Young-Min Park wrote: Don't call yourselves open source if it's not free. This is an outrage to everyone who as ever volunteered their time and expertise to open source projects without pay. I recommend you review free download from the public mirrors: http://ydl.net/support/downloads/ YDL has been freely available since inception in the spring of 1999. DVDs and private download from a dedicated, high-bandwidth server were made available as a paid product for the sake of simple installation, a choice made by the customer. kai ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com' ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
Re: [ydl-gen] pathetic
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:38:18 -0500 Young-Min Park smpl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't call yourselves open source if it's not free. This is an outrage to everyone who as ever volunteered their time and expertise to open source projects without pay. Hi Park: Judging from your comment, it appears there is some misunderstanding of what is offered as a commercial service/product and what is open source. Briefly, there are multiple definitions of open source around the world which are explained here: http://www.opensource.org/ If you can take the time to explore the various licenses and kinds of open source commitments which many companies adhere to and expect their users to adhere to as well, you'll observe the very large breadth or gap of intention and meaning of all these various licenses -- it is an education to explore as much of them as possible. Although various companies do offer some of their software products as open source they define the conditions they choose to do so and those conditions express widely differing definitions, and circumstances regarding when such a process will be done. The expectations and obligations by those using their software also differ. Some companies state very clearly that if the reader doesn't agree to the terms of what the company or project is offering, then one must not use the software. Some of what companies and projects offer is committed to open source only after a period of time and/or under particular circumstances. PGP (pgp.com), for instance, makes their contribution in two different ways. They offer a trial software product for Windows and OS X which after 30 days provides some, not all the functions, of their commercial product. In other words, the trial version after 30 days, functions as free software has less functionality of the trial version, but remains quite useful as free software. They also contribute to the GnuGP project so that gpg2 can run something called OpenPGP or OpenGP which allows for public keys created with the trial or free version or other commercial products of PGP to be understood by gpg2. Individuals and companies have the right to determine the terms and conditions of their employment. This means also that a person (an individual human or commercial entity) can freely determine when they will charge for services for their product and/or when they will contribute to open source or other community based or free effort. The obligation for everyone however is to become clearer regarding which licenses and commercial/non-commercial obligations or expectations one is agreeing to. I prefer an agreement based on a handshake. We are all a long way from those days, especially as our current transactions of services span across the planet. What we can do however is to clarify the terms and means of our relationships to one another which although challenging to examine and consider -- in the long run can help smooth the means for cooperation. = Refranes/Popular sayings: The Taino say:No hay mal que por bien no venga. There is no evil out of which good cannot blossom. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try 'lt;keywords site:us.fixstars.com'
