[Zappa-List] Re: VO: MOI Fillmore West 11-06-70 (Audio CD)
Hi, I would like to sign up for this vine: Skipsign (US) Conehead (BE) Ashley H (UK) Mark Timbrell (UK) ??? Regards, Mark --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, sofa49423fz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipsign (US) Conehead (BE) Ashley H (UK) ??? Received this from JohnG (thanks dude!) last weekend, and am ready to pass it on. Skipsign, your snail addy please. BTW, for those who have been a part of (or interested in) the 'Vine Problems' debate we've been having, the above represents the procedure that should occur when a disk gets passed along: 1) Find the Last and Most Complete list of viner's and respond to that message, with 2) your name removed from the list, and 3) remove any non-essential morsels of commentary from previous posts - if you're anal enough to keep it looking nice... regards, SOFA Mothers of Invention Fillmore West San Francisco, CA 11/06/1970 # of Tracks: 15 Total Time: 63:49 Have Gun, Will Travel 1:34 Call Any Vegetable 10:34 The Sanzini Brothers 2:02 Penis Dimension 8:05 The Sanzini Brothers 2:20 Little House I Used to Live In/Mudshark 4:57 Touring Can Make You Crazy 2:14 Would You Like a Snack? 1:39 Holiday in Berlin 4:07 Cruisin For Burgers 8:47 Easy Meat 5:19 **Frank talks to the crowd¦** 1:53 Daddy, Daddy, Daddy/ Do You Like My New Car? 7:24 Happy Together 1:07 Who Are The Brain Police? 1:47 George Duke - keyboards Aynsley Dunbar - drums Howard Kaylan - vocals Jim Pons - bass (actually Jeff Simmons) Mark Volman - vocals Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] It was 19 years ago,probably not today.
In a message dated 1/28/07 6:55:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was just freaking out to a bit of Stage Vol 2 yesterday when I looked at the back of the cd case to see when it came out. I couldn't believe it when it said 1988,well I suppose I could when I thought about it but blimey how time flies. Superb show though. Vol 1 is ace. Three is excellent. The 82 stuff on 4 is great. Vols 5 6 are ok but not so good,and seem a bit rushed perhaps understandably ;-(( What do others think of the Stage series ? Volume 1 is excellent, and is an album that I would term essential for Zappa fans and people just getting into Zappa. YMMV. Volume 2 is Ok. I don't want to use the term overrated, but it's very tempting. The first disc is really good. The second one drags down with a lesser performance of Dupree's Paradise. The sprint thru Uncle Meat / Dog Breath could be a lot more enjoyable. I wonder why more people don't complain about the mix on this album. The overall sound is pretty 1980s for it being a 1974 recording. I'm not just talking about the bass drum, either. FZ's guitar in particular was reprocessed in such a way that it doesn't even sound like his tone circa 1974. I find it kind of annoying. That and the regrettable overuse of digital reverb. Volume 3 is a hell of a lot of fun. I know a lot of people don't love the 1984 band. And almost an entire album's worth of stuff in this volume might be a little much. But it's fun. The 1973 Dickie's is great, and the extended, multi-edited King Kong is awesome. Volume 4 is too inconsistent. This could have been an amazing volume of the series, but too many selections sabotage it. The 1982 stuff is great, but there's a lot of other stuff on it that leaves me unsatisfied. Think of what else could have been used from the Bongo Fury tour instead of the long and boring original Torture Never Stops, for instance. Volume 5. Hm. I don't listen to the first disc very often. It's great when I want an early Mothers fix, but I don't come back to it very often. The 1982 band.. what can I say. 2nd disc is great, but there certainly could have been better song choices than another version of Dancing Fool. That said, it's one of my favorite individual discs of the series. Volume 6 is actually probably my 2nd favorite overall of the series, after Volume 1. I'm not crazy about a couple of the choices on the first disc, but the second disc is excellent. It's really a shame the series ended here, as there was obviously so much more of this kind of live stuff that FZ could have put together, but.. he probably spent an awful lot of time on these 6 volumes anyway and needed to move on to other projects at some point. --Milhouse
Re: [Zappa-List] It was 19 years ago,probably not today.
In a message dated 1/28/07 10:21:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've really enjoyed the Stage Series and rather wish that there was a Vol 7 and 8. Afterall, there's still plenty of unreleased songs and arrangements that would fit the Stage criteria. For example, we've finally got the Petit Wazoo disc but this still omits Little Dots and a Rollo with vocals. Another Stage release could provide a home for these. Little Dots and also Approximate are unfortunate omissions from Imaginary Diseases. But there may way be a second volume of stuff from that tour coming out one day. As for the abbreviated and vocal-less Rollo, I really wish it were there, too, but 1) it being a 4-track recording of a 10-piece band and 2) there not being very many vocals performed on that tour, FZ's vocal may not have even been recorded on any available recording of the song. It's a possibility, anyway. --Milhouse
Re: [Zappa-List] It was 19 years ago,probably not today.
So many Zappa fans, so many differing opinions. Like mine. Unlike Milhouse I rarely pull out Volume 1 or 6. Some brilliant stuff there, granted. (How about that Mike Brecker solo on Black Napkins on Volume 6?) But a whole lot of Zappa The Entertainer which is not my favorite aspect of the work. Volume 4 is actually my favorite all round listening experience of the set with a great cameo by Archie Shepp, a blistering, definitive Outside Now, Tiny Sick Tears and a downright affectionate (and spirited) doo wop medley. And I prefer this Torture Never Stops over the finished product. (Although the finished product did afford us some great solos through the years.) Volume 2's Dupree's Paradise does go on for a bit but overall it's essential listening. Took me a while to appreciate Volume 5 (after getting over my resentment that it was probably the final death knell of the probably never to be released History And Collected Improvisations Of The Mothers Of Invention). And I was still a fan of the ambient sonics of the older material than the slick syntethic sounds of the 80's bands when it came out (I still have trouble trusting things that sound like they shine). But once I got over that hump that set became a fave as well. Volume 3 is real hit or miss for me. I'm decidedly not a fan of the King Kong presented here, conceptually clever though it may be. Still I whip this set out quicker than Volumes 1 or 6. Don't get me wrong here. For the dedicated Zappa fan/maven the whole 12 disc set is essential. But we all go to the Zappa well for different thirsts. Volumes 4, 2 5 quench mine more than the others. Not Dead Yet, Bill Amutis [EMAIL PROTECTED] web.mac.com/mredison (Ol' Baggy Eyes) Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm.-Frank Zappa What do others think of the Stage series ?Volume 1 is excellent, and is an album that I would term essential for Zappa fans and people just getting into Zappa. YMMV. Volume 2 is Ok. I don't want to use the term overrated, but it's very tempting. The first disc is really good. The second one drags down with a lesser performance of Dupree's Paradise. The sprint thru Uncle Meat / Dog Breath could be a lot more enjoyable. I wonder why more people don't complain about the mix on this album. The overall sound is pretty 1980s for it being a 1974 recording. I'm not just talking about the bass drum, either. FZ's guitar in particular was reprocessed in such a way that it doesn't even sound like his tone circa 1974. I find it kind of annoying. That and the regrettable overuse of digital reverb. Volume 3 is a hell of a lot of fun. I know a lot of people don't love the 1984 band. And almost an entire album's worth of stuff in this volume might be a little much. But it's fun. The 1973 Dickie's is great, and the extended, multi-edited King Kong is awesome. Volume 4 is too inconsistent. This could have been an amazing volume of the series, but too many selections sabotage it. The 1982 stuff is great, but there's a lot of other stuff on it that leaves me unsatisfied. Think of what else could have been used from the Bongo Fury tour instead of the long and boring original Torture Never Stops, for instance. Volume 5. Hm. I don't listen to the first disc very often. It's great when I want an early Mothers fix, but I don't come back to it very often. The 1982 band.. what can I say. 2nd disc is great, but there certainly could have been better song choices than another version of Dancing Fool. That said, it's one of my favorite individual discs of the series. Volume 6 is actually probably my 2nd favorite overall of the series, after Volume 1. I'm not crazy about a couple of the choices on the first disc, but the second disc is excellent. It's really a shame the series ended here, as there was obviously so much more of this kind of live stuff that FZ could have put together, but.. he probably spent an awful lot of time on these 6 volumes anyway and needed to move on to other projects at some point. --Milhouse
Re: [Zappa-List] It was 19 years ago,probably not today.
Good to read you, Mr. Edison; I'd heard you'd died or something... ; ) Eloquent synopsis... SOFA PS Any pre-poop on this year's Zappathon? Or have you removed yourself completely? PPS Volume 4 does emphasize the vocal prowess, so it is one of my favs - Original Message - From: Bill Amutis To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] It was 19 years ago,probably not today. So many Zappa fans, so many differing opinions. Like mine. Unlike Milhouse I rarely pull out Volume 1 or 6. Some brilliant stuff there, granted. (How about that Mike Brecker solo on Black Napkins on Volume 6?) But a whole lot of Zappa The Entertainer which is not my favorite aspect of the work. Volume 4 is actually my favorite all round listening experience of the set with a great cameo by Archie Shepp, a blistering, definitive Outside Now, Tiny Sick Tears and a downright affectionate (and spirited) doo wop medley. And I prefer this Torture Never Stops over the finished product. (Although the finished product did afford us some great solos through the years.) Volume 2's Dupree's Paradise does go on for a bit but overall it's essential listening. Took me a while to appreciate Volume 5 (after getting over my resentment that it was probably the final death knell of the probably never to be released History And Collected Improvisations Of The Mothers Of Invention). And I was still a fan of the ambient sonics of the older material than the slick syntethic sounds of the 80's bands when it came out (I still have trouble trusting things that sound like they shine). But once I got over that hump that set became a fave as well. Volume 3 is real hit or miss for me. I'm decidedly not a fan of the King Kong presented here, conceptually clever though it may be. Still I whip this set out quicker than Volumes 1 or 6. Don't get me wrong here. For the dedicated Zappa fan/maven the whole 12 disc set is essential. But we all go to the Zappa well for different thirsts. Volumes 4, 2 5 quench mine more than the others. Not Dead Yet, Bill Amutis [EMAIL PROTECTED] web.mac.com/mredison (Ol' Baggy Eyes) Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm.-Frank Zappa What do others think of the Stage series ?Volume 1 is excellent, and is an album that I would term essential for Zappa fans and people just getting into Zappa. YMMV. Volume 2 is Ok. I don't want to use the term overrated, but it's very tempting. The first disc is really good. The second one drags down with a lesser performance of Dupree's Paradise. The sprint thru Uncle Meat / Dog Breath could be a lot more enjoyable. I wonder why more people don't complain about the mix on this album. The overall sound is pretty 1980s for it being a 1974 recording. I'm not just talking about the bass drum, either. FZ's guitar in particular was reprocessed in such a way that it doesn't even sound like his tone circa 1974. I find it kind of annoying. That and the regrettable overuse of digital reverb. Volume 3 is a hell of a lot of fun. I know a lot of people don't love the 1984 band. And almost an entire album's worth of stuff in this volume might be a little much. But it's fun. The 1973 Dickie's is great, and the extended, multi-edited King Kong is awesome. Volume 4 is too inconsistent. This could have been an amazing volume of the series, but too many selections sabotage it. The 1982 stuff is great, but there's a lot of other stuff on it that leaves me unsatisfied. Think of what else could have been used from the Bongo Fury tour instead of the long and boring original Torture Never Stops, for instance. Volume 5. Hm. I don't listen to the first disc very often. It's great when I want an early Mothers fix, but I don't come back to it very often. The 1982 band.. what can I say. 2nd disc is great, but there certainly could have been better song choices than another version of Dancing Fool. That said, it's one of my favorite individual discs of the series. Volume 6 is actually probably my 2nd favorite overall of the series, after Volume 1. I'm not crazy about a couple of the choices on the first disc, but the second disc is excellent. It's really a shame the series ended here, as there was obviously so much more of this kind of live stuff that FZ could have put together, but.. he probably spent an awful lot of time on these 6 volumes anyway and needed to move on to other projects at some point. --Milhouse =
Re : [Zappa-List] Re: Re VO: 1967 1969 - FLAC SHN formats
Is this one still around at all? I don't think i've seen it come up again. Matt --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, plotch12_r777r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to let Andy go first, Mark! Anyone on that side of the ocean want it? ;-) Mark Timbrell - UK Andy Goldstein - USA Rand in Texas USA ?? --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, starless74 starless74@ wrote: --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, mrk_timbrell timbrell@ wrote: with regard to this vine, I still have the CD's as I've not heard from Darko or anyone else that would like them. Are there any takers for this excellant vine? Mark Timbrell - UK Andy Goldstein - USA Regards, Mark --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, mrk_timbrell timbrell@ wrote: Hi, I've not heard anything from Darko for a while not sure what the procedure is, but as he was the last in the line, I think the best option is to get the vine moving again and if someone wants it slip your name in before Darko and I will get it out to you asap. Mark Timbrell - UK Darko - ( Croatia ) Regards, Mark --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, mrk_timbrell timbrell@ wrote: Hi Darko, If you would send me your address I will arrange to get these CD's out to you. Email: timbrell@ Regards, Mark --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, mrk_timbrell timbrell@ wrote: Hi Darko, Sorry for the confusion, if you send me your address offlist I will send these to you asap. Email: timbrell@ Regards, Mark --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, thierry barbier correque46@ wrote: Hi Mark I think you are making a liitle mistake : I am the one who started this vine ! so I already have these discs :-)) please send them directly to Darko best regards thierry - Message d'origine De : mrk_timbrell timbrell@ À : Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Dimanche, 9 Juillet 2006, 3h07mn 02s Objet : [Zappa-List] Re: Re VO: 1967 1969 - FLAC SHN formats Thierry, If you send me your address offlist, I will send the disks to you. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] net Regards, Mark --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, darkokoretic darko.koretic@ ... wrote: I`d like to jump in : Thierry FR Darko - ( Croatia ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi everybody I received from a friend of mine these 4 concerts from the good old days on 2 CDs in lossless format ( FLAC SHN ), the sound quality is rather good for this era. I want now to offer this vine to the list as a sort of Xmas gift. Please, add your name and enjoy. Holiday greetings Thierry 30-Sep 1967, Konserthuset, Stockholm, Sweden 40 min, FM, A- You Didn't Try To Call Me, Petrouska (Stravinsky) , Bristol Stomp (Appel-Mann) , Baby Love (Supremes), Big Leg Emma, No Matter What You Do (Tchaikovsky' s 6th), Blue Suede Shoes, Hound Dog, Gee, King Kong, It Can't Happen Here 2-Oct 1967, Olympen, Lund, Sweden 26 min, Aud, B+ No Matter What You Do, Blue Suede Shoes, Hound Dog, Gee (incl. Duke Of Earl), Duke Of Earl, Orange County Lumber Truck Medley 8-Aug 1969, Carousel Theatre, Framingham, MA 25 min, SBD, A- The String Quartet, Bacon Fat 10-Aug 1969, Warrensville Heights Music Festival, OH 55 min, Stage?, B+ Drum Solo, Some Ballet Music, Right There, FZ explains program music, String Quartet, Jam, In The Sky, Jam (incl. Chunga's Revenge chords) For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
