[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
@Seif, re comment #53: Any estimate when this will land in a release
and/or PPA?
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity 2D:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Lens:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Invalid
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Sources:
Invalid
Status in “unity-lens-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Seif, what happened to the "dig up the past" button you mentioned
further up? Is this coming? I remember seeing a mock-up screenshot
somewhere, but I don't have it in activity-log-manager 0.8.0 from the
zeitgeist ppa.
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity 2D:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Lens:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Invalid
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Sources:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Regarding the folders not showing, this is another bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/749566
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity 2D:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Invalid
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Sources:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Yes, I'd think so. Better yet, "use the files&folders lens, but it's not
100% there yet".
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Invalid
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Sources:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
So, will you put this into activity-log-manager, Seif?
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Invalid
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Awesome! Always happy to help, even if it's just ideas, not code. :-)
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Just to be clear, I don't want to replace ZG, I didn't even intend to
pull tracker into this (it was just meant as a technology reference, I
shouldn't have mentioned it at all maybe). I'm just looking for a
feasible solution to enable users to be able to find all files they
would most probably search for, using unity. Seeing that this feature is
powered by ZG, I see 3 alternatives:
a) manually open all files, or wait until user has interacted with all
files without her being able to use unity search for said interaction in
the meantime (this is the status now, and I think we all agree it's not
very enticing).
b) Add an option to ZG to point to some directory (e.g. stuff in the users'
extra data partition), whose contents will then be indexed _once_ by ZG.
(Comment #29) This is basically an automated version of a), something like a
"fast-forward" button.
The state of the index should then be not much worse than after normal usage
for a long time, assuming the user will stumble over most of the files in said
directory during normal usage, over time. Wildcard exceptions could be added to
minimize cruft being added to the db (e.g. *~ files)
Is this a workable idea? If not, why? Are there negative performance impacts on
ZG and/or unity-place-files I don't see?
Pro: tracker or similar technology does not have to be involved.
c) Write a script which, when pointed to a directory, accesses all the
files sequentially, thus adding them to the ZG index as desired by the
user. (comment #31) Admittedly the most hackish workaround, and just
saves you the tedium of opening and closing files for a day or so, to be
able to find them with unity-place-files.
To me at least, b) sounds reasonable. thoughts? alternatives?
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
So, who's up to writing a script that "touches" each file in a desired
directory? :-P this, as well as my comment #29, would neatly circumvent this
problem, no?
Also, what exactly does "touching" mean? I can neatly touch all files on my
harddisk if I let baobab (the disk usage analyzer) run over it, but that won't
work, will it? What would the cheapest (performance-wise) application be to do
this?
btw, Seif, are you sure about this location limitation for tracker? It's
been a while since I last used it, but I seem to remember that I could
add user-chosen locations with one visit to preferences, to be indexed
by tracker.
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Ah ic, thanks for the clarification.
Would it be possible to create a feature where one manually points ZG, say, to
a directory (or, e.g. a separate data partition), and ZG would index the given
directory's contents once? Thus, ZG would circumvent the problem of not knowing
about stuff you haven't accessed yet (think fresh install, but separate data
partition), and would be able to deliver more meaningful results more quickly.
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
wrt to tracker: I actually didn't want to push this discussion towards
tracker/beagle integration itself, I just wanted to point out that
obviously, indexing the relevant files _and their contents_ is already
possible and reasonable performance-wise. Consequently, I don't think it
should be too much of a performance hog to maintain a proper index
(without file's contents, too boot) for search in ZG; that's what the
tracker/beagle people have been doing for years, after all.
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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[Zeitgeist] [Bug 646724] Re: not all files show up in files-place
Is it possible to look to beagle and/or tracker for how to approach this
problem? I've used both in the past, and it worked reasonably well (Impact of
bugs aside). Definitely better than the current situation.
I also agree comment #15 seems to be a very reasonable approach.
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Title:
not all files show up in files-place
Status in Unity:
Triaged
Status in Unity Files Place:
Triaged
Status in Zeitgeist Framework:
Fix Released
Status in Zeitgeist Data-Providers:
Invalid
Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu:
Triaged
Status in “zeitgeist” package in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Bug description:
The Unity interface, with its files-place feature for user access to
files/documents etc. is really great.
However there is a problem since the search feature relies wholly on
zeitgeist (AFAIK), in the zeitgeist is not tracking everything.
E.g. in openoffice, I create a new file (or open an existing one) from
within openoffice itself. This file does not show up, presumably
because openoffice does not (yet) push its activity to zeitgeist.
I guess any number of other programs could suffer the same problem.
For the average user, this is surely going to be confusing. They will
create documents via legitimate means ('New ...' buttons in their
applications), and then expect to be able to search for them in the
Unity files-place interface.
To avoid this confusion I would guess there really needs to be a
filesystem watcher on the home dir (or key folders within it) so that
zeitgeist is aware of activity caused by non-zeitgeist-aware
applications.
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