[Zen] Re: New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences
Dear Joe and all, This article “New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences” seems received a lot of responses from our members. After posting it on 25th, I went on tour in Interior Tamilnadu. Me and my wife’s first aim was to visit “Chtura Giri”, a hill near Madurai City, which is famous for many siddhas having been lived there. Unfortunately we could not reach to the top, since that last night where we stayed in a nearby town hotel do not provide us AC room, so including my children, none us could able to sleep, so which made us so tired after climbing for one hour. This hill used to be a real challenging hill for all. Normally it takes 6 hours to climb. There upon we went to few falls and then we went to a temple right on the beach and then returned after four days to Chennai. This article I posted because while reading I realized that I had similar experience once. Last year one night my younger son who is 6 years old not sleeping and disturbing us all. So I took him to other room, so that at least my wife and elder son can sleep peacefully. In the other room, I made to lie down, but he was not quiet, he continues to beat me and kick me. I was not having enough strength even to shout at him, so I prayed god, “please kill me, I don’t want to live anymore”. After that prayer to my surprise, “I” the consciousness separated out from the body, observing down below suresh body lying down and this child kicking continuously. But there was no feel of those kicks on the body felt by this consciousness as it is happening to somebody and this consciousness watching it. This continued for some time. Sometimes later the child stopped kicking and went to sleep. And this separateness of consciousness no more felt and I remember only waking up in the morning, but the memory of it still present clearly. >From this experience what I can realize is that for Buddha it is Permanent in nature, i.e. there is clear separation between consciousness and the body. And this consciousness uses the body just like we use any vehicle (like car), and hence any damages to the body do not really a pain just like when Car has damages, the person sitting inside looks at it as the damages of car and not off his own. I can summaries that this consciousness is what individual soul and we all are many individual souls and there is a source of these souls, that is super soul, that is ever taken any form, but operates all form through its solders, the individual souls. Buddha when attained Mahanirvana, the soul of the body merged with the source. When soul’s desire for visibility (visible form i.e. body and intellect) ends, there is freedom from all miseries. But why this desire (attachments to the visible form) do not come to an end so easily? Best regards Suresh -- Thanks and best regards J.Suresh New No.3, Old No.7, Chamiers road - 1st Lane, Alwarpet, Chennai - 600018 Ph: 044 42030947 Mobile: 91 9884071738 Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences
Suresh, The Bodhisattva makes vows to remain visible permanently, to help others, and to allow Compassion to be expressed. In the awakened person, the expression and function of Compassion are informed and initiated by Wisdom. I'd say that this is the Mahayana Buddhist understanding, and encouragement. One simply has no attachment to one's life, having realized that there is only the life of All. Individuals are the many fingers of One Hand; or, one hand is a hand of the Thousand-Armed Avalokitesvara / Kuan Yin / Chenresig. This is an orthodox Buddhist view; and it can also be one's experience given the opportunity and experience of awakening. It only became orthodox because this is the way it happens. All best, --Joe > SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > When soul's desire for visibility (visible form i.e. body and > intellect) ends, there is freedom from all miseries. > > But why this desire (attachments to the visible form) do not come to > an end so easily? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] A Question for Edgar about Forms
Mike, I was very lucky; and lucky also to have the best teaching and the most perspicacious and compassionate teacher, and the company of his sangha (the other assembled students, monks, and nuns). What was needed in my case first was a purification. The teacher sensed this and sent me outside, where it could take place undisturbed. I think all my years of Yoga practice, running, and good diet before this was the beginning of the purification. Then it took a few days for the rather raw body to settle, and for the energy to cool down, and sink. Samadhi came on, for days, and suddenly broke. There was nothing after this for 8 weeks. I supported this with practice, but eventually took on too many responsibilities in my work at the time, and even took a second, very challenging and fascinating job in a great research group. I suppose "erosion" of the awakened state is the "norm", even if Samadhi is our regular practice. I was doing the Golden Ocean Seal, just naturally. Subsequent openings over the years seemed smaller and less dramatic: there was less to be broken down. I did not any longer use koan methods, and did not practice for "awakening". And the body could support the awake-state for having become accustomed, via previous lengthy entries, to what is natural. I hadn't strayed far each time from the Tao (but far enough!). Who knows what condition I am in now. But I think my teacher would be ashamed of me: not for himself, but for me, and all beings. And so he'd urge us to keep up our practice. Which we do! I'm pleased to have had long immersion times in our true nature, and pleased to have become covered again by shrouds. I'm pleased thus to have been a "beginner", again and again, and to see and feel and sense what is helpful as one is climbing out of the well, again (or back in, as the analogy may go). If I'm to be a lay, un-transmitted Dharma teacher, as my teacher's organization has me being trained to be, this experience of being a beginner many times over can be a good background to come from to be effective in helping other climbers (or folks looking for the stairway to the Basement, rather). --Joe > uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > Joe, Wow, a couple of months in that state must have been mind-blowing(out)! > I've had similar experiences, but of a much, much shorter duration. Of > course, I don't think those experiences should be clung to. After all, > they're just glimpses of the Absolute and their significance is that they > introduce us to the 'path' and hopefully keep us on it. Lucky you to receive > such grace! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate
Mike, The body must be able to support wide-open functioning. Drugs never enable this. Too many people who take rather severe drugs have physical blocks of various kinds, and the actions and perceived "effects" of the drug are thus partially proper to the drug itself, and proper to the person's own physical problems (let's leave aside mental problems). Thus, the drug experience is extremely perverse. I say these things not at all in consideration of the Law, but in view of the wisdom and advisability of avoiding considering such entertainments or rash experiments. Maybe those shamans in the cultures where this is traditional can get some cultural benefit for themselves and for their tribe, but I don't think it can be generalized, or universalized. But I think we can state what can be universalized: Body and Mind have an energy all their own; Drugs have a body and mind of their own. Be careful! Better to practice. Practice prepares the body, conditions it, nourishes it, and enables it to serve as an open conduit of Wisdom and Compassion, because that is our nature. Not a plant's nature! Practice is the best wakefulness medicine. There is no other wakefulness medicine. Not even Chris's caffeine. --Joe > uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > Joe, I know it sounds crazy to those who haven't tried or experienced it, but > I think there is also a nature consciousness that entheogens allow us to > enter. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Inner Divine
Dear All, The practice of Chan is to let our Inner Divine unfold. The same as the Outer Divine, our inner divine is all knowing, all loving and all powerful. When our inner divine is in charge of our lives, we would know it all, love all and be all powerful. This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature. JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
