Re: [Zen] Re: past life
joe..a bit of a calypso feel to it, eh? thanks for sharing... who was sweetie?... merle Merle, If you can follow it, here you go: Scarlet Begonias. I've posted it before. I was in town that night, but not at the concert hall. Sweetie and I were in Central Park, under the fireworks. This is a piece of the Dead's Dec. 31, 1978 concert, in my town. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoG4uQUiTcs --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..it is an observation not a criticism... merle
Re: [Zen] Buckethead holds forth, Again
joe..not a good look with the bucket...merle Merle, Another Buckethead concert selection, if you are amenable. This is really a ballad. You'll hear bits of familiar tracks. I defy you to identify them. ;-) Best is in the listening. And, watch his technique / facility, on the instrument. Whew. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVg7Kg2KtCklist=RD02kWX-DXekL3U I stand sitting down. ;-) --Joe
[Zen] Re: past life
Merle, Calypso? I guess so. Never thought that way. Maybe it's so. Just Jerry, Captain Trips, holding forth. And Bob Weir, Etc. Mickey on drums. Tickling us in the neck and shoulders -- if we'd have *BEEN* there, on the New Year's eve date -- on good blotter acid, or window-pane. I was in the Park, with my Tovah. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..a bit of a calypso feel to it, eh? thanks for sharing... who was sweetie?... merle Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Buckethead holds forth, Again
Dear Merle, Seriously? Use the ears, Cousin! He keeps his privacy by maintaining his anonymity (err-r, Jim Caroll). --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..not a good look with the bucket...merle Merle, Another Buckethead concert selection, if you are amenable. This is really a ballad. You'll hear bits of familiar tracks. I defy you to identify them. ;-) Best is in the listening. And, watch his technique / facility, on the instrument. Whew. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVg7Kg2KtCklist=RD02kWX-DXekL3U I stand sitting down. ;-) --Joe Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Buckethead holds forth, Again
Merle, Try this fine track from our American, Stephen Stills: Treetop Flier. All to do with smuggling contraband. As, so-called: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBe5z0qwRE After that performance, see this live one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmIO_MG5IU No comments intended. Just musical notes, sharing those. --Joe Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Dear Merle, Seriously? Use the ears, Cousin! He keeps his privacy by maintaining his anonymity (err-r, Jim Caroll). Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Bill! was Off-Grid for the last two days...
Just FYI...I'm going through the messages now and will respond to any that specifically address me, but it might take me a day or so...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: The Book of Mirdad
Edgar, You asked, Did you need a teacher to start breathing when you were born? I may have done that spontaneously but I may have needed a slap on my butt to start that process. I don't remember. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Bill, Yes, in the limited teacher student context. But as I've explained before reality is the ONLY real teacher. Human teachers may or may not serve as little pieces of reality that facilitate pointing out Buddha Nature. But there is NO NEED AT ALL to 'convince' your teacher to pass the koan. You either realize Buddha Nature or you don't. If you do the teacher is no longer relevant One demonstrates Buddha Nature to Buddha Nature by realizing Buddha Nature. NO teacher necessary other than reality itself. Only dependent personalities think teachers are a necessity. Did you need a teacher to start breathing when you were born? Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, Yes, demonstrating Buddha Nature is the 'answer' or 'solution' to all koans. And yes, that could involve pointing, or an utterance, or some other action or even silence and no action. And yes, you do have to 'convince' your teacher to pass the koan - at least if you want to gain his/her verification that you have passed the koan. After you have passed the koan there was at least in my case then some rational conversation about the structure of the koan and on what it was specifically designed to focus. These discussions were intended to prepare you for becoming a teacher. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: Bill, There is only one answer or solution to ALL koans. And that is Buddha Nature. So all one has to do in response to any koan is simply to point to anything at all and convincingly bring attention to its Buddha Nature. But as I say repeatedly anything at all can be a koan to get you to that realization. Reality itself is ultimately the ONLY koan even in its seemingly most insignificant aspect... Edgar On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, I agree with Joe here. All the 'breakthrough' koans (the first ones that are specifically designed to induce kensho (first experience of Buddha Nature)require a demonstration rather than an explanation. For example my first koan was Joshu's MU and my teacher's request was to BRING me Mu and SHOW me Mu - certainly not explain what Joshu's answer 'Mu' means. In later koans, although still requiring actions or demonstrations, there is some room for intellectual discussions with your teacher, although these discussions are usually focused on just what the koan is specifically designed to accomplish rather than a discussion on the meaning of the actual content. This has been my experience with koan study anyway, and this was with two different zen masters - although admittedly the two zen masters were from the same 'school' and they themselves had a teacher:student relationship at one time. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@ wrote: Edgar, If YOU take things literally, then that's what YOU do. Anyone who passes the koan What is the sound of One Hand?, makes a demonstration. It's easy, at that time. After that work. What are you all hung up about? Edgar, note, too: my practice has been not too much on koans; after a few, my teacher saw the road ahead for me, and that was not koans. Either, no need, or no aptitude. From my point of view, after a point, it was: No need for gumdrops along the way. Yet, all Hail! for folks who go on this way longer that I did. I took my Doctor's prescription and switched modalities. Hail! I'm lucky to have had such a teacher. May you be lucky in this way, in some life. --Joe Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: Joe, The point of my reply to your post both of which you obsessively snipped is this Your post went against even the view of koans you are supposed to believe in as an orthodox zennist. You and Bill claim that koans have no solution but are to be discarded in a satori. But instead your post claimed that you not only understood the sound of one hand but could produce it yourself. Thus you don't even understand the naive view of koans Bill does... You are not supposed to take the koan to heart as if it actually expressed something but to discard it... Even Bill knows that... Current Book Discussion: any
RE: [Zen] Re: The Book of Mirdad
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