Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Jim Klimov wrote: Since all of these use ZFS code based on the one that the "opensolaris.org" project provided at some time, and most of other systems (including Solaris 10 AFAIK) got stuck at ZFSv28 or older, the generic "we" at the *open*-solaris Agree with all you said except that Solaris 10 has support for pool version 29. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
2012-04-18 18:54, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? As in Solaris releases, or some other "we"? With all due respect, I did not mean to start a flame war, so I'll frantically try to stomp out the sparks ;) Still, this is a "zfs" "discuss" list at "open""solaris"."org" It is here to discuss ZFS, a technology available in a number of operating systems, as you do know too well, including open systems as the domain name implies. Since all of these use ZFS code based on the one that the "opensolaris.org" project provided at some time, and most of other systems (including Solaris 10 AFAIK) got stuck at ZFSv28 or older, the generic "we" at the *open*-solaris derivate systems don't have some features that Oracle completed in its own fork into closed proprietary code ;) In the beginning it was my wishful thinking that encryption code and maybe some other newbies got legally leaked into Linux, and if they were there, then they might be legally included into other ZFS source code projects. I hope this subject is closed for now ;( without personal gripes ;) //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
Oracle never promised anything. A leaked internal memo does not signify an official company policy or statement. On Apr 18, 2012 11:13 AM, "Freddie Cash" wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Cindy Swearingen > wrote: > >>Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? > > > > As in Solaris releases, or some other "we"? > > I would guess he means Illumos, since it's mentioned in the very next > sentence. :) > > "Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? > Can it be backported to illumos ..." > > It's too bad Oracle hasn't followed through (yet?) with their promise > to open-source the ZFS (and other CDDL-licensed?) code in Solaris 11. > :( > -- > Freddie Cash > fjwc...@gmail.com > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Cindy Swearingen wrote: >>Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? > > As in Solaris releases, or some other "we"? I would guess he means Illumos, since it's mentioned in the very next sentence. :) "Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? Can it be backported to illumos ..." It's too bad Oracle hasn't followed through (yet?) with their promise to open-source the ZFS (and other CDDL-licensed?) code in Solaris 11. :( -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
>Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? As in Solaris releases, or some other "we"? http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/821-1448/gkkih.html https://blogs.oracle.com/darren/entry/my_11_favourite_solaris_11 Thanks, Cindy On 04/18/12 05:43, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-04-18 6:57, David E. wrote: Now, make your zpool, and start playing: $ sudo zpool create test raidz sdd sde sdf sdg sdh sdi It is stable enough to run a ZFS root filesystem on a GNU/Linux installation for your workstation as something to play around with. It is copy-on-write, supports compression, deduplication, file atomicity, off-disk caching, encryption, and much more. Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? Can it be backported to illumos from Linux (maybe via BSD), or do the license incompatibilities forbid that? ;) Can GNU/Linux boot off raidz roots? Overall - impressive and interesting, //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: > Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? Cause the author doesn't really try it :) If he did, he would've known that encryption doesn't work (unless you encrypt the underlying storage with luks, which doesn't count). And that Ubuntu ppa is also usable on debian, so that he didn't have to compile from source or worry about misplaced manpages. > Can GNU/Linux boot off raidz roots? "boot" as in "root (/) located on raidz", yes. "boot" as in "the whole disk including /boot is on raidz", no, due to grub2 limitation. /boot still needs to be on a separate ext2/3/4 partiition (recommended), or on a non-raidz pool (possibly with some additional hacks). -- Fajar ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Aaron Toponce: Install ZFS on Debian GNU/Linux
2012-04-18 6:57, David E. wrote: Now, make your zpool, and start playing: $ sudo zpool create test raidz sdd sde sdf sdg sdh sdi It is stable enough to run a ZFS root filesystem on a GNU/Linux installation for your workstation as something to play around with. It is copy-on-write, supports compression, deduplication, file atomicity, off-disk caching, encryption, and much more. Hmmm, how come they have encryption and we don't? Can it be backported to illumos from Linux (maybe via BSD), or do the license incompatibilities forbid that? ;) Can GNU/Linux boot off raidz roots? Overall - impressive and interesting, //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
