Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA hardware advice

2011-12-19 Thread tono
Thanks for the sugestions, especially all the HP info and build
pictures.

Two things crossed my mind on the hardware front. The first is regarding
the SSDs you have pictured, mounted in sleds. Any Proliant that I've
read about connects the hotswap drives via a SAS backplane. So how did
you avoid that (physically) to make the direct SATA connections?

The second is regarding a conversation I had with HP pre-sales. A rep
actually told me, in no uncertain terms, that using non-HP HBAs, RAM, or
drives would completely void my warranty. I assume this is BS but I
wonder if anyone has ever gotten resistance due to 3rd party hardware.
In the States, at least, there is the Magnuson–Moss act. I'm just not
sure if it applies to servers.

Back to SATA though. I can appreciate fully about not wanting to take
unnecessary risks, but there are a few things that don't sit well with
me.

A little background: this is to be a backup server for a small/medium
business. The data, of course, needs to be safe, but we don't need
extreme HA.

I'm aware of two specific issues with SATA drives: the TLER/CCTL
setting, and the issue with SAS expanders. I have to wonder if these
account for most of the bad rap that SATA drives get. Expanders are
built into nearly all of the JBODs and storage servers I've found
(including the one in the serverfault post), so they must be in common
use.

So I'll ask again: are there any issues when connecting SATA drives
directly to a HBA? People are, after all, talking left and right about
using SATA SSDs... as long as they are connected directly to the MB
controller.

We might just do SAS at this point for peace of mind. It just bugs me
that you can't use "inexpensive disks" in a R.A.I.D. I would think that
RAIDZ and AHCI could handle just about any failure mode by now.
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[zfs-discuss] SATA hardware advice

2011-12-16 Thread tono
I could use some help with choosing hardware for a storage server. For
budgetary and density reasons, we had settled on LFF SATA drives in the
storage server. I had closed in on models from HP (DL180 G6) and IBM
(x3630 M3), before discovering warnings against connecting SATA drives
with SAS expanders.

So I'd like to ask what's the safest way to manage SATA drives. We're
looking for a 12 (ideally 14) LFF server, 2-3U, similar to the above
models. The HP and IBM models both come with SAS expanders built into
their backplanes. My questions are:

1. Kludginess aside, can we build a dependable SMB server using
integrated HP or IBM expanders plus the workaround
(allow-bus-device-reset=0) presented here: 
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/12/update-on-sata-expanders.html ?

2. Would it be better to find a SATA card with lots of ports, and make
1:1 connections? I found some cards (arc-128, Adaptec 2820SA) w/Solaris
support, for example, but I don't know how reliable they are or whether
they support a clean JBOD mode.

3. Assuming native SATA is the way to go, where should we look for
hardware? I'd like the IBM & HP options because of the LOM & warranty,
but I wouldn't think the hot-swap backplane offers any way to bypass the
SAS expanders (correct me if I'm wrong here!). I found this JBOD:
http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sata_enclosures/sat122urd.asp  I also know
about SuperMicro. Are there any other vendors or models worth
considering?

Thanks!
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