Ok, I am tired and going to bed.
Thanks, Real Sun Storage folks, this is the best discussion I have had in 
months.

I am satisfied.   ;-)

Goodnight, and long live the open spirit!!!

zStorageAnalyst


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Zhou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Torrey McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard Elling" 
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Cc: "William D. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
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Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementationon Sun 
X4150/X4450


> Torrey, now this impressive as the old days with Sun Storage.
>
> Ok, ZFS PiT is only a software solution.
> The Windows VSS is not only a software solution, but also a 3rd party
> integration standard from MS.
> What's your comment on ZFS PiT is better than MS PiT, in light of openness
> and 3rd-party integration???
>
> Talking about garbage!
> z
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Torrey McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Richard Elling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Joseph Zhou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "William D. Hathaway"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun
> X4150/X4450
>
>
>> Richard Elling wrote:
>>> Joseph Zhou wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah?
>>>> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm
>>>> Snapshot is a big deal?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most "hardware" RAID
>>> implementations
>>> are somewhat limited, as the above adaptec only supports 4 snapshots and
>>> it is an
>>> optional feature.  You will find many array vendors will be happy to
>>> charge lots
>>> of money for the snapshot feature.
>>
>> On top of that since the ZFS snapshot is at the file system level it's
>> much easier to use. You don't have to quiesce the file system first or
>> hope that when you take the snapshot you get a consistent data set. I've
>> seen plenty of folks take hw raid snapshots without locking the file
>> system first, let alone quiescing the app, and getting garbage.
>
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