Re: [zfs-discuss] Heavy writes freezing system

2007-01-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Rainer,

Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 5:02:01 PM, you wrote:


RH> scenario. Due to the number of files, UFS was not an option. Since
RH> the environment is going to RAC in six months, upgrading Veritas
RH> did not seem like a justifiable option, with the (mistaken?)
RH> belief ZFS performance would be more than adequate.

What do you mean by UFS wasn't an option due to number of files?


Also do you have any tunables in system?
Can you send 'zpool status' output? (raidz, mirror, ...?)

"When the DBA’s do clones" - you mean that by just doing 'zfs clone
...' you get big performance problem? OR maybe just before when you do
'zfs snapshot' first? How much free space is left in a pool?

Do you have sar data when problems occured? Any paging in a system?

And one advise - before any more testing I would definitely
upgrade/reinstall system to U3 when it comes to ZFS.




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Re: [zfs-discuss] Heavy writes freezing system

2007-01-16 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Rainer Heilke wrote:

> Greetings, everyone.
>
> We are having issues with some Oracle databases on ZFS. We would appreciate 
> any useful feedback you can provide.

You did'nt give any details of the system (configuration) on which the DB
runs... Not even SPARC or x86/AMD64... ??

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[zfs-discuss] Heavy writes freezing system

2007-01-16 Thread Rainer Heilke
Greetings, everyone.

We are having issues with some Oracle databases on ZFS. We would appreciate any 
useful feedback you can provide.

We are using Oracle Financials, with all databases, control files, and logs on 
one big 2TB ZFS pool that is on a Hitachi SAN. (This is what the DBA group 
wanted.) For the most part, the system runs fine.

When the DBA’s do clones or backups using RMAN, however, all of the write 
activity almost freezes the system. The regular transactions back up, screen 
refreshes get delayed, etc. The system, quite simply, grinds almost to a halt. 
The immediate issue seemed to be the log file writes. If we separate the logs 
space, it just shifts the problem to the DB/control files. If we split out the 
backup space, things are OK during the RMAN backups, but the problems remain 
for the clones/restores. The issue seems to be serious write 
contention/performance. Some read issues also exhibit themselves, but they seem 
to be secondary to the write issues.

We ran a test doing this for one environment on a test UFS LUN. While both the 
backup and restore operations took twice as long, we did not have the system 
lock issues we see with ZFS.

We’ve also been playing a little with ztune.sh on a test system, but we really 
need to come to a proper solution (and a better understanding of what is 
causing the problems). Can anyone explain to us why the writes are backing up 
like this, and what we can do about this? Under Solaris 8, VxFS worked just 
fine in this scenario. Due to the number of files, UFS was not an option. Since 
the environment is going to RAC in six months, upgrading Veritas did not seem 
like a justifiable option, with the (mistaken?) belief ZFS performance would be 
more than adequate.

Thank you for any help you can provide.
Rainer
 
 
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