Re: [zfs-discuss] X2100 not hotswap, was Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-25 Thread Toby Thain


On 25-Jan-07, at 5:09 AM, Frank Cusack wrote:

On January 23, 2007 8:11:24 PM -0200 Toby Thain  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Still, would be nice for those of us who bought them. And judging by
other posts on this thread it seems just about everyone assumes  
hotswap

"just works".


hot *plug* :-)



Hmm, yes, sloppy of me.
--T



-frank


Richard Elling wrote:

To be clear, Sun defines "hot swap" as a device which can be  
inserted or

removed without system administration tasks required.

Sun defines "hot plug" as a device which can be inserted or removed  
without
causing damage or interruption to a running system, but which may  
require

system administration.





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Re: [zfs-discuss] X2100 not hotswap, was Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-24 Thread Frank Cusack

On January 23, 2007 8:11:24 PM -0200 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Still, would be nice for those of us who bought them. And judging by
other posts on this thread it seems just about everyone assumes hotswap
"just works".


hot *plug* :-)

-frank
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Re: [zfs-discuss] X2100 not hotswap, was Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-23 Thread Toby Thain


On 23-Jan-07, at 4:51 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote:


Frank Cusack wrote:

yes I am an experienced Solaris admin and know all about devfsadm :-)
and the older disks command.
It doesn't help in this case.  I think it's a BIOS thing.  Linux and
Windows can't see IDE drives that aren't there at boot time either,
and on Solaris the SATA controller runs in some legacy mode so I  
guess

that's why you can't see the newly added drive.
Unfortunately all my x2100 hardware is in production and I can't
readily retest this to verify.
-frank


This is exactly the issue; some of the simple SATA drives
are used in PATA compatibility mode.  The ide driver doesn't
know a thing about hot anything, so we would need a proper
SATA driver for these chips. Since they work (with the exception
of hot *) it is difficult to prioritize this work



Disappointing but not completely surprising - "What do you expect,  
it's an entry level product, not a high end product."


Still, would be nice for those of us who bought them. And judging by  
other posts on this thread it seems just about everyone assumes  
hotswap "just works".


--Toby


above getting
some other piece of hardware working under Solaris.  In addition,
switching drivers & bios configs during upgrade is a non-trivial
exercise.


- Bart



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