Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
I might be mistaken, but it looks like 3ware does have a driver, several in fact: http://www.3ware.com/support/downloadpageprod.asp?pcode=9path=Escalade9500SSeriesprodname=3ware%209500S%20Series Any comment on this? I'm thinking about picking up a server with this card, and it would be cool if it worked. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still use ZFS. What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. mature is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it's equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it's less popular so there are ... less package availability. And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than what's in OpenSolaris. Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn't have the driver for your hardware, go for it. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 12:46, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still use ZFS. What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. mature is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it's equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it's less popular so there are ... less package availability. Have you had a look at /usr/ports? ;) As of a few days ago (when I last updated ports): 21430 I know, strictly speaking ports isn't packages since things are compiled locally (but you can output the result into packages if you need to install on several systems). And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than what's in OpenSolaris. Where did you get that info? Of course, ZFS is a little older: NAMEPROPERTY VALUESOURCE pollux version 14 default But for other packages FreeBSD is atleast as cutting edge as (Open)Solaris. Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn't have the driver for your hardware, go for it. Finally something we agree on. ;) FreeBSD also has a less restrictive license. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE - +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. - Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkusoH4ACgkQSBMQn1jNM7Y53QCgvx+rSQRk9AmkmvZpWILVV9SE wSwAoN/YELyPIQWbxcUSIh1Ut60pbxak =XlC/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 07:46:01AM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than what's in OpenSolaris. Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn't have the driver for your hardware, go for it. While I use zfs with FreeBSD (FreeNAS appliance with 4x SATA 1 TByte drives) it is trailing OpenSolaris by at least a year if not longer and hence lacks many key features people pick zfs over other file systems. The performance, especially CIFS is quite lacking. Purportedly (I have never seen the source nor am I a developer), such crucial features are nontrivial to backport because FreeBSD doesn't practice layer separation. Inasmuch this is still true for the future we'll see once the Oracle/Sun dust settles. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
While I use zfs with FreeBSD (FreeNAS appliance with 4x SATA 1 TByte drives) it is trailing OpenSolaris by at least a year if not longer and hence lacks many key features people pick zfs over other file systems. The performance, especially CIFS is quite lacking. Purportedly (I have never seen the source nor am I a developer), such crucial features are nontrivial to backport because FreeBSD doesn't practice layer separation. Inasmuch this is still true for the future we'll see once the Oracle/Sun dust settles. I'm not sure if it's a version thing, or something else ... I am running solaris 10u6 (at least a year or two old) and the performance of that is not just fine ... it's super awesome. An important note, though, is that I'm using samba and not the zfs built-in cifs. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: mature is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it's equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it's less popular so there are ... less package availability. And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than what's in OpenSolaris. I am confused. What is the meaning of package and why would OpenSolaris be ahead of FreeBSD when it comes to packages? I am not sure what the meaning of package is but the claim seems quite dubious to me. To be sure, FreeBSD 8.0 is behind with zfs versions: % zpool upgrade This system is currently running ZFS pool version 13. but of course this is continually being worked on, and the latest stuff (with dedup) is in the process of being ported for delivery in FreeBSD 9.0 (and possibly FreeBSD 8.X). I think that the main advantage that Solaris ultimately has over FreeBSD when it comes to zfs is that Solaris provides an advanced fault management system and FreeBSD does not. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. mature is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it's equally if not more mature. Bill Joy might take offense to this statement. Both FreeBSD and Solaris trace their roots to the work done at Berkeley 30 years ago. Both have evolved in different ways at different rates. Since Solaris targets the enterprise market, I will claim that Solaris is proven in that space. OpenSolaris is just one of the next steps forward for Solaris. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) -marc On 3/26/10, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. mature is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it's equally if not more mature. Bill Joy might take offense to this statement. Both FreeBSD and Solaris trace their roots to the work done at Berkeley 30 years ago. Both have evolved in different ways at different rates. Since Solaris targets the enterprise market, I will claim that Solaris is proven in that space. OpenSolaris is just one of the next steps forward for Solaris. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 23:25, Marc Nicholas wrote: Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) sarcasm alert Butbutbutbut! Solaris is more enterprise focused! /sarcasm alert Seriously. FreeBSD has a _VERY_ good track record (in all levels of busness). This is not an attempt at belittling Solaris, nor the effort of Sun, but trying to claim FreeBSD not being enterprise-ready seems silly. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE - +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. - Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkutNgUACgkQSBMQn1jNM7aBswCg6zqxqCmq9bz6OepVPWifMuRo NqoAoIIdmL2IKMVqYrlBvVHPM0BB8P1a =k/MQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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On 03/27/10 11:32 AM, Svein Skogen wrote: On 26.03.2010 23:25, Marc Nicholas wrote: Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) sarcasm alert Butbutbutbut! Solaris is more enterprise focused! /sarcasm alert Seriously. FreeBSD has a _VERY_ good track record (in all levels of busness). This is not an attempt at belittling Solaris, nor the effort of Sun, but trying to claim FreeBSD not being enterprise-ready seems silly. Which is why no one on this thread has. //Svein - -- Please use a standard signature delimiter -- if you are going to tag on so much ASCII art and unnecessary PGP baggage! -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) FreeBSD 8 or FreeBSD 7.3? If neither, then the point is moot. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) FreeBSD 8 or FreeBSD 7.3? If neither, then the point is moot. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com Well that depends on exactly what you mean. There's several that are actively contributing and using code from both. Built on is all relative. Given the SMP improvement recently from all of the major players using BSD, if you're talking kernel code, I would say every single one of them has pulled code from the 7-branch, and likely the 8-branch as well. --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Slack-Moehrle mailingli...@mailnewsrss.com wrote: OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still use ZFS. What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. Does anyone have a ZFS tutorial? We use 3Ware 9550SX and 9650SE RAID controllers with FreeBSD. They work very nicely, are very stable, and come with fully-supported vendor drives in the FreeBSD kernel. The management tool (3dm2) is also available in the FreeBSD ports tree. These work quite nicely with ZFS. You configure each individual drive as a Single Disk array, thus enabling the cache on the controller, the management features of the controller, etc. (JBOD disables all that.) FreeBSD 7.3 includes ZFSv13. FreeBSD 8.0 includes ZFSv13. But, 8-STABLE includes ZFSv14. And there are efforts underway to port ZFSv20-something (at least 21 for dedupe) into FreeBSD 9.0 (possibly 8.1 or 8.2). We use FreeBSD + ZFS + 3Ware on our redundant backup boxes (rsync 120 Linux/FreeBSD servers to box1 each night, rsync box1 to box2 each day). No issues to report since upgrading to ZFSv13 and FreeBSD 8.0. -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
