RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2
What it indicates, Bob, is that Ms. Proctor is a half-baked reporter herself. -Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2 Dear Zionistas-- here's a follow up to my initial transmission http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040303more.html Bob Taylor Dear Zionistas this article, while supplying no really new information, certainly confirms my previous suspicions regarding the printed media in our country. while this does not necessarily indicate a media conspiracy, I would say it indicates they at least think alike on this particular topic. http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040301press.html Last week two long-anticipated studies were released on the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church, and it is hard to believe that the reporters from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and the Washington Times were at the same press conference, because they certainly didnt get the same story. By Maurine Jensen Proctor Bob Taylor *** *** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown *** *** /// /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b6crSN.cnJ0YXls Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- --- * * There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown * * / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] More on Passion
Thanks Thomas for providing yet nire reasons to avoid this movie: boredom. I take it you won't become a Methodist any time soon. Ron -Original Message- From: Doubting Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] More on Passion I went to Passion last Sunday when a Methodist neighbor invited me. His church had bought out a showing with the apparent hope of converting a few Mormons to real Christianity. This allowed them to hand out a lot of literature, etc. I was good for a free movie and wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I thought the film was good in some respects but very bad in others. Of course it was all done very realistically with good actors. The focus was entirely on the torture and death of Jesus with only the smallest tidbits of his life and resurrection. I've never been able to see anything spiritual about a man being tortured to death, and this film only reinforced that perception. It seemed like the Life of Jesus with all the spiritual stuff removed! The trip from the court to Golgotha took what seemed an eternity. As if the New Testament account wasn't enough, they threw in lots of extra little acts of torture. I had to roll my eyes a lot. But that wasn't what I found most bad about the movie. First, it suffered from the same problem as every other Jesus film I've seen: Jesus is never portrayed as a realistic character. He says all the familiar words, but they're said in a soft voice with no emotion, yet everyone is listening with baited breath. That just doesn't work. The words are profound because they're familiar to us. To become famous they needed a good original oration. I don't picture Jesus as a quiet, boring guy with a few profound things in his head, but that's how he's always portrayed. The only time in the entire film that they made him human was a short flashback (with no spiritual content) where he was teasing his mother while building a table. Next, the film completely failed to make a persuasive case for why anybody wanted Jesus dead. The Jesus portrayed in the film would have been dismissed as a crank by everyone (and was by Pilot, Herod, and others). The only thing even remotely offensive was Jesus quietly admitting to a couple heresies (never loud enough for the offended crowd to even hear him). So the whole plot of the story made no sense. I realize that we're already supposed to know about Jesus cleansing the temple, etc., but the Jesus character in Gibson's movie didn't fit that role at all (and there was never a flashback to that). There were other odd things about the movie. There was a devil character that kept popping up in a cloak (I think a woman, but I was never sure). Her purpose was never made clear (to encourage the death of Jesus, or prevent it?). Then there was mother Mary and her entourage (Mary M John). They were always following along trying to get close to Jesus through his ordeal, always shedding a tear but perfectly solemn--totally unrealistic to say the least. I thought these repetitive scenes would never end. It was a relief when the movie was finally over and I could get out of the theater and do something useful. The film didn't move me at all. It was so boring I almost fell asleep a couple times. Well there you have it, Doubting Thomas review of the Passion. _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon
Interesting that all these gay marriage actions are taking place in liberal coastline states. You just don't see any small towns in Mississippi handing out marriage licenses like that, do you? Jonathan Scott wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=514e=2u=/ap/20040303/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage -- Jonathan Scott Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon
I would suspect there are fewer candidates in rural Mississippi. They all moved to New Orleans. -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon Interesting that all these gay marriage actions are taking place in liberal coastline states. You just don't see any small towns in Mississippi handing out marriage licenses like that, do you? Jonathan Scott wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=514e=2; u=/ap/20040303/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage -- Jonathan Scott Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon
At 12:33 PM 3/4/04, Gerald Smith wrote: Interesting that all these gay marriage actions are taking place in liberal coastline states. You just don't see any small towns in Mississippi handing out marriage licenses like that, do you? So are you suggesting that it must be something in the water? -- Ronn! :) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon
-Original Message- From: Ronn! Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon At 12:33 PM 3/4/04, Gerald Smith wrote: Interesting that all these gay marriage actions are taking place in liberal coastline states. You just don't see any small towns in Mississippi handing out marriage licenses like that, do you? So are you suggesting that it must be something in the water? It's all those hot tubs in San Francisco. Obviously there are fewer in Manhattan. Leastwise the law is better behaved. RBS // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] AN ANSWER TO THE WORLD - Chapter 2
Feedback Please - - - - - 2. Taboos and Darwin What protects us from ourselves and from one another when we, as a people or an individual, wish to do wrong? Laws (state), shame (church), and taboos (community). Laws can currently be changed according to the will of the people. Religious shame can disappear by changing one's belief in God or even by choosing to stop believing in God altogether. Taboos, the social limits we subconsciously place on ourselves, can be changed by challenging our views of those taboos. Where did the taboos come from though? Why do we have them? A possible answer may come from Darwin. The Concept of Natural Selection. The central argument of Darwin's theory of evolution starts from the existence of hereditary variation. Experience with animal and plant breeding demonstrates that variations can be developed that are useful to man. So, reasoned Darwin, variations must occur in nature that are favourable or useful in some way to the organism itself in the struggle for existence. Favourable variations are ones that increase chances for survival and procreation. Those advantageous variations are preserved and multiplied from generation to generation at the expense of less advantageous ones. This is the process known as natural selection. The outcome of the process is an organism that is well adapted to its environment, and evolution often occurs as a consequence. Natural selection, then, can be defined as the differential reproduction of alternative hereditary variants, determined by the fact that some variants increase the likelihood that the organisms having them will survive and reproduce more successfully than will organisms carrying alternative variants. Selection may be due to differences in survival, in fertility, in rate of development, in mating success, or in any other aspect of the life cycle. All of these differences can be incorporated under the term differential reproduction because all result in natural selection to the extent that they affect the number of progeny an organism leaves. (Quoted from Britannica CD 98 Standard Edition ©1994-1998 by Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.) Does a person's moral belief structure affect their chances of reproducing? Does a person's moral belief structure affect the chances of their children successfully growing to adulthood? If a man's morals do not insist that he feed his children, his children may die as a result. If a woman's morals do not insist that she bear children, the woman will sometimes have abortions or even abstain from childbearing altogether, thereby resulting in a decreased number of offspring. It would seem that, yes, a person's moral belief structure does affect their chances of reproducing as well as the chances of their children's survival to adulthood. According to Darwin and Natural Selection, any quality that prevents a person from reproducing, will be less or not at all present in future generations of people, simply due to the fact that there are no or fewer children around to perpetuate it. The result will be that the condition in question, any condition, will become less frequent, favoring other conditions that are more favorable for creating offspring. If Natural Selection plays a part in the shaping of one's own moral limitations, then it is also possible that the taboos that have been placed within us or that we have shaped for ourselves are pieces of information that, for whatever reason, are or once were essential to our existence and survival. It is also possible that as a society, such as ours, increasingly accepts the nihlistic philosophies, that Nietzsche suggested, as mentioned in section 1, that the moral taboo structure of the society will also change. As Natural Selection suggests though, this change of our moral taboo structure may bring about a disharmony with the reproductive cycle and survival in general, resulting in death, both in a reduction of the number of offspring that are created and in actual death. -- Jonathan Scott -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Federal Marriage Amendment
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.J.RES.56: Congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., has introduced the Federal Marriage Amendment (H.J. Res. 56) as a proposed constitutional amendment, which will remove the definition of marriage from the reach of all legislatures and courts permanently. Text: SECTION 1. Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups. --- Question: Is this the amendment, introduced in May of 2003, that President Bush is asking Congress to send out to the states? Or is there some other federal marriage amendment with different wording that is being promoted? John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Feedback Please - - - - - 5. Abortion Has the drift from Judeo/Christian morality towards Nihilism resulted in death and other loss of life? Here are some statistics regarding only abortion: Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in the US alone. Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is a difference of 12%. Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions occur worldwide. War US Loss of Life -- Revolutionary War 4,000 Indian Wars 1,000 War of 1812 2,000 Mexican War I 13,000 Civil War 497,821 War Against Spain 11,000 World War I 116,000 World War II406,000 Korean War 55,000 Republic Of Vietnam 109,000 Gulf War Era9,000 -- Total 1,090,200 -- Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The Roe vs Wade decision happened on January 22, 1973. The loss of life America suffered from abortion equaled the total amount of lives lost in all US wars fought to date by about May 17 of the following year, just 481 days later. 20th Century Event Loss of Life -- People's Republic of China 40,000,000 Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975) World War II35,000,000 (not counting holocaust) Joseph Stalin 30,000,000 Congo Free State (1886-1908)21,500,000 World War I 20,000,000 Adolf Hitler (holocaust only) 15,000,000 China, Nationalist Era 9,630,000 (1928-1937) Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 9,000,000 China, Warlord Era (1917-1928) 6,810,000 Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 6,194,000 North Korea (1948 et seq.) 5,000,000 Post-War Expulsion of 3,000,000 Germans from East Europe (1945-1947) Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) 3,000,000 Afghanistan (1979-2001) 2,800,000 Korean War (1950-1953) 2,800,000 Nigeria (1966-1970) 2,000,000 Second Indochina War1,800,000 (1960-1975) (Vietnam) Cambodia (Pol Pot) 1,600,000 (1975-1978) Ethiopia (1962-1992)1,500,000 Sudan (1983 et seq.)1,500,000 Rwanda and Brundi (1959-1995) 1,200,000 Bangladesh (1971) 1,100,000 Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) 1,000,000 Iran-Traq War (1980-1988) 825,000 Armenian Massacres (1915-1923) 600,000 Mozambique (1975-1993) 400,000 -- Total 223,259,000 -- Abortions World Wide (Est.) 1,451,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The above events are all from the 20th century and only included those events where the death toll was greater than or equal that of the US loss of life in the American Civil War. Sources http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm http://www.libraryspot.com/lists/listwars.htm http://www.poliblogger.com/poliblog/archives/001632.html http://www.roevwade.org/rvw1.html http://www.ujfhc.net/1-2.html -- Jonathan Scott -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] An Answer the the World - Chapter 5
Feedback Please - - - - - 5. Abortion Has the drift from Judeo/Christian morality towards Nihilism resulted in death and other loss of life? Here are some statistics regarding only abortion: Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in the US alone. Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is a difference of 12%. Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions occur worldwide. War US Loss of Life -- Revolutionary War 4,000 Indian Wars 1,000 War of 1812 2,000 Mexican War I 13,000 Civil War 497,821 War Against Spain 11,000 World War I 116,000 World War II406,000 Korean War 55,000 Republic Of Vietnam 109,000 Gulf War Era9,000 -- Total 1,090,200 -- Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The Roe vs Wade decision happened on January 22, 1973. The loss of life America suffered from abortion equaled the total amount of lives lost in all US wars fought to date by about May 17 of the following year, just 481 days later. 20th Century Event Loss of Life -- People's Republic of China 40,000,000 Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975) World War II35,000,000 (not counting holocaust) Joseph Stalin 30,000,000 Congo Free State (1886-1908)21,500,000 World War I 20,000,000 Adolf Hitler (holocaust only) 15,000,000 China, Nationalist Era 9,630,000 (1928-1937) Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 9,000,000 China, Warlord Era (1917-1928) 6,810,000 Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 6,194,000 North Korea (1948 et seq.) 5,000,000 Post-War Expulsion of 3,000,000 Germans from East Europe (1945-1947) Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) 3,000,000 Afghanistan (1979-2001) 2,800,000 Korean War (1950-1953) 2,800,000 Nigeria (1966-1970) 2,000,000 Second Indochina War1,800,000 (1960-1975) (Vietnam) Cambodia (Pol Pot) 1,600,000 (1975-1978) Ethiopia (1962-1992)1,500,000 Sudan (1983 et seq.)1,500,000 Rwanda and Brundi (1959-1995) 1,200,000 Bangladesh (1971) 1,100,000 Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) 1,000,000 Iran-Traq War (1980-1988) 825,000 Armenian Massacres (1915-1923) 600,000 Mozambique (1975-1993) 400,000 -- Total 223,259,000 -- Abortions World Wide (Est.) 1,451,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The above events are all from the 20th century and only included those events where the death toll was greater than or equal that of the US loss of life in the American Civil War. Sources http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm http://www.libraryspot.com/lists/listwars.htm http://www.poliblogger.com/poliblog/archives/001632.html http://www.roevwade.org/rvw1.html http://www.ujfhc.net/1-2.html -- Jonathan Scott -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
The only sure solution is to mandate tubal ligations for every young woman of childbearing age who fails a standardized exam on proper conception prevention techniques. Right-to-Life orgs and Planned Parenthood should teach the classes and administer the tests. RBS -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5 Feedback Please - - - - - 5. Abortion Has the drift from Judeo/Christian morality towards Nihilism resulted in death and other loss of life? Here are some statistics regarding only abortion: Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in the US alone. Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is a difference of 12%. Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions occur worldwide. WarUS Loss of Life -- Revolutionary War 4,000 Indian Wars1,000 War of 18122,000 Mexican War I 13,000 Civil War 497,821 War Against Spain 11,000 World War I116,000 World War II 406,000 Korean War 55,000 Republic Of Vietnam109,000 Gulf War Era 9,000 -- Total 1,090,200 -- Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The Roe vs Wade decision happened on January 22, 1973. The loss of life America suffered from abortion equaled the total amount of lives lost in all US wars fought to date by about May 17 of the following year, just 481 days later. 20th Century Event Loss of Life -- People's Republic of China 40,000,000 Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975) World War II 35,000,000 (not counting holocaust) Joseph Stalin 30,000,000 Congo Free State (1886-1908) 21,500,000 World War I20,000,000 Adolf Hitler (holocaust only) 15,000,000 China, Nationalist Era 9,630,000 (1928-1937) Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 9,000,000 China, Warlord Era (1917-1928) 6,810,000 Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 6,194,000 North Korea (1948 et seq.) 5,000,000 Post-War Expulsion of 3,000,000 Germans from East Europe (1945-1947) Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) 3,000,000 Afghanistan (1979-2001)2,800,000 Korean War (1950-1953) 2,800,000 Nigeria (1966-1970)2,000,000 Second Indochina War 1,800,000 (1960-1975) (Vietnam) Cambodia (Pol Pot) 1,600,000 (1975-1978) Ethiopia (1962-1992) 1,500,000 Sudan (1983 et seq.) 1,500,000 Rwanda and Brundi (1959-1995) 1,200,000 Bangladesh (1971) 1,100,000 Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) 1,000,000 Iran-Traq War (1980-1988) 825,000 Armenian Massacres (1915-1923) 600,000 Mozambique (1975-1993) 400,000 -- Total 223,259,000 -- Abortions World Wide (Est.)1,451,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 (Since Roe vs Wade) (1973 et seq.) -- The above events are all from the 20th century and only included those events where the death toll was greater than or equal that of the US loss of life in the American Civil War. Sources http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm http://www.libraryspot.com/lists/listwars.htm http://www.poliblogger.com/poliblog/archives/001632.html http://www.roevwade.org/rvw1.html http://www.ujfhc.net/1-2.html -- Jonathan Scott -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here:
Re: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
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[ZION] US Senate considers amendment
Deseret Morning News, Thursday, March 04, 2004 Senate panel takes up marriage amendment By Lee Davidson Deseret Morning News WASHINGTON The Senate Judiciary Committee began emotional hearings Wednesday on a proposed constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage seen either as a last stand for traditional family values or an attempt to rob gays of civil rights. The session made for unusual alliances. Some liberals supported the amendment plan, others hated it. Likewise some conservatives praised it, and others abhorred it. Ditto for Democrats. And for Republicans. And for African-American leaders. And church groups. Among leaders of the chorus praising the proposed amendment is Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the committee chairman although he also says alternatives besides a constitutional amendment should be considered too. It is now clearer to me than ever that courts are usurping the role of legislatures by imposing their own definitions of marriage on the people, and we must do something about this, Hatch said in a written statement. I think we need to consider amending the Constitution and said he would vote for a version favored by President Bush. The hearing comes as the highest court in Massachusetts ruled that state must allow gay marriage and as local officials in California, New York, New Mexico and Oregon have begun allowing them. Last week, Bush called for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. As couples of both the married and same-sex variety crowded the hearing room with their children to serve as symbols of what is at stake, both sides made their arguments before the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution. NAACP President Hilary Shelton opposed the proposed amendment, saying it would discriminate and restrict rather than expand and protect the rights for any and all persons. But the Rev. Richard Richardson of the Black Ministerial Alliance of Greater Boston said, As an African-American, I know something about discrimination. . . . The traditional institution of marriage is not discrimination. And I find it offensive to call it that. Richardson said traditional marriage is the best institution to ensure that children are raised by a loving mother and father. He said that ideal is under attack on many fronts and that disintegrating families have dire consequences in inner cities he serves. Without traditional marriage, it is hard to see how our community will be able to thrive. Agreeing was Daniel de Leon, an Assembly of God pastor representing AMEN, a group of Hispanic evangelical churches. My people know something about discrimination. The institution of marriage was not created to discriminate against people. It was created to protect children and to give them the best home possible a home with a mother and a father. Disagreeing was Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., ranking subcommittee Democrat. An amendment regarding same-sex marriage would write discrimination into the governing document of our nation. He said he expects bitter battles, saying, Taking away a group of people's rights forever can never be done in a civil manner. Likewise, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said, By endorsing this shameful proposed amendment, in a desperate tactic to divide Americans in an attempt to salvage his faltering re-election campaign, President Bush will go down in history as the first president to try to write bias back into the Constitution. But Maggie Gallagher, president of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy, said most Americans do not believe it would be discrimination. Sixty percent of African-Americans oppose same-sex marriage, as do 60 percent of white Americans, according to a November Pew poll. . . . Are they all bigots? While some churches praised the amendment plan, others publicly opposed it including the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations and the Presbyterian Church (USA). And while key Democrats such as Kennedy and Feingold oppose the proposed amendment, some Democrats have co-sponsored it. (Among those who have publicly supported it is Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah.) And while Hatch and Senate Republican Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., support the proposed amendment, Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, R-R.I., joined opponents of it in a press conference Wednesday. Also, many conservatives do not like amending the Constitution at all while others want to go even further than Bush to also ban civil unions for gays. Sen. Bob Bennett and Rep. Rob Bishop, both R-Utah, have not yet endorsed amending the Constitution, saying they want to look at all options to defend traditional marriage. One well-known conservative, Chuck Muth, president of Citizen Outreach, blasted the proposed amendment at the hearing. We strongly oppose the notion of addressing this issue of social policy in our nation's governing document. He likened the amendment to another one
Re: [ZION] Federal Marriage Amendment
On Mar 4, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Jonathan Scott wrote: Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, Translation: Sorry, activist judges, you have to follow these rules. nor state or federal law, Translation: Sorry, Congress and state legislatures, you can't change this either. shall be construed Translation: You can't read this to promote your society destroying cancers. to require that marital status Translation: Marriage says what this amendment says it does. No less, no more. or the legal incidents thereof Translation: Marriage is special. Hands off. be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups. Anything other than marriage between man and wife is not marriage. Polygamy, polyandry, homosexual relationships, etc., are not marriage. Unless people are married, they can't get the benefits of marriage. Sorry, but can someone tell me what this part means? -- Jonathan Scott Harold Stuart // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Federal Marriage Amendment
On Mar 4, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Jonathan Scott wrote: Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, Translation: Sorry, activist judges, you have to follow these rules. nor state or federal law, Translation: Sorry, Congress and state legislatures, you can't change this either. shall be construed Translation: You can't read this to promote your society destroying cancers. to require that marital status Translation: Marriage says what this amendment says it does. No less, no more. or the legal incidents thereof Translation: Marriage is special. Hands off. be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups. Anything other than marriage between man and wife is not marriage. Polygamy, polyandry, homosexual relationships, etc., are not marriage. Unless people are married, they can't get the benefits of marriage. Sorry, but can someone tell me what this part means? -- Jonathan Scott Harold Stuart Groovy. Thanks. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
