Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-12 Thread Geoff FOWLER
>>> Paul graced us with
>Are they declared Levites or Jews? What is the >patriarch suppose to do
when a Jew joins the 
>church and says, "I'm a Levite too". 

One is either a Jew or a Levite, but not both. While a Levite may be
classed as a "Jew" per se by the world at large, he is still a Levite,
as far as I know.

But then again, what do I know? :)

Geoff

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Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-12 Thread Paul Osborne

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:42:17 -0600 Gary Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Actually, there are many Levites that have established their 
> genealogies
> without a patriarchal blessing. Jews today are still rather diligent 
> in
> ensuring their descendancy. 


Do you mean Jews who are Levites in the LDS church? 

Are they declared Levites or Jews? What is the patriarch suppose to do
when a Jew joins the church and says, "I'm a Levite too". 

I'm confused.

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Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-11 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gary Smith favored us with:

Actually, there are many Levites that have established their genealogies
without a patriarchal blessing. Jews today are still rather diligent in
ensuring their descendancy.


I don't believe this.  To trace a genealogy requires documentary evidence: 
wills, land deeds, church records, vital records, etc.  Needless to say, 
there is no such evidence that goes all the way back to the time of Christ, 
much less the days of Levi, son of Jacob.  At best a Jew might have a 
family tradition about what tribe he is from, and family traditions are 
often wrong and need to be verified by the documentary evidence.


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Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-11 Thread Stacy Smith
Is this because they are still looking for the Messiah?

Stacy.

At 03:42 PM 12/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:


Actually, there are many Levites that have established their genealogies
without a patriarchal blessing. Jews today are still rather diligent in
ensuring their descendancy.

K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary  Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www
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Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

JWR: Also, without a Patriarchal Blessing he
would have no way of knowing that he was a literal descendent of Levi.



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Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice (was: Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I think it will happen.  I was told as a Protestant that studies were then 
underway about what to do and how to rebuild that temple and so forth.  I 
have no reason to doubt this.

Stacy.

At 03:00 PM 12/10/2002 +, you wrote:


John W. Redelfs wrote:
> Speaking of PETA, I just found another source for my claim that animal
> sacrifice will be restored in this dispensation.  It is in the
> correlated
> CES student manual for the Old Testament 1 King through Malachi on page
> 287.
>


There's an interesting scenario which strikes my mind as likely.  The
last time a righteous priesthood holder offered a sacrifice in the
Jerusalem temple, an angel appeared and told him he'd be the father of
John the Baptist.  I'm kinda wondering if the next time a righteous
priesthood holder (or one of the literal lineage for the Aaronic
priesthood) offers sacrifice in the Jerusalem temple, will an angel
appear and say to phone the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints for further instructions?


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  --Chet
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[ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-11 Thread Gary Smith
Actually, there are many Levites that have established their genealogies
without a patriarchal blessing. Jews today are still rather diligent in
ensuring their descendancy. 

K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary  Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www
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"No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free."  -
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

JWR: Also, without a Patriarchal Blessing he 
would have no way of knowing that he was a literal descendent of Levi.
 


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Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice (was: Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Chet favored us with:

There's an interesting scenario which strikes my mind as likely.  The
last time a righteous priesthood holder offered a sacrifice in the
Jerusalem temple, an angel appeared and told him he'd be the father of
John the Baptist.  I'm kinda wondering if the next time a righteous
priesthood holder (or one of the literal lineage for the Aaronic
priesthood) offers sacrifice in the Jerusalem temple, will an angel
appear and say to phone the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints for further instructions?


A person cannot hold the priesthood without having it conferred upon him by 
one having authority to do so.  Hence, the sons of Levi will only have the 
priesthood if they receive it from Salt Lake City, or the New Jerusalem, in 
the first place.  He won't have to phone for further instructions.  He will 
already have his instructions.  Also, without a Patriarchal Blessing he 
would have no way of knowing that he was a literal descendent of Levi.

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[ZION] Animal sacrifice (was: Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-10 Thread Chet

John W. Redelfs wrote:
> Speaking of PETA, I just found another source for my claim that animal 
> sacrifice will be restored in this dispensation.  It is in the 
> correlated 
> CES student manual for the Old Testament 1 King through Malachi on page 
> 287.
> 


There's an interesting scenario which strikes my mind as likely.  The 
last time a righteous priesthood holder offered a sacrifice in the 
Jerusalem temple, an angel appeared and told him he'd be the father of 
John the Baptist.  I'm kinda wondering if the next time a righteous 
priesthood holder (or one of the literal lineage for the Aaronic 
priesthood) offers sacrifice in the Jerusalem temple, will an angel 
appear and say to phone the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-day Saints for further instructions?


*jeep!
  --Chet
"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you 
are doing the impossible."

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