Re: [ZODB-Dev] RelStorage and PostgreSQL's VACUUM

2010-10-20 Thread Noe Misael Nieto Arroyo
Thanks for the tip!

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2010/10/20 David Blewett 

> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Noe Misael Nieto Arroyo
>  wrote:
> > And if yes, What kind of VACUUM is good? FULL, CLUSTER?
>
> VACUUM FULL is almost never a good idea; autovac should be sufficient
> for most needs, and can be tweaked to meet particular performance
> issues. I have had very good results doing a CLUSTER after an initial
> zodbconvert run to significantly reduce the size of the database. I
> highly recommend doing CLUSTER after any large data loads.
>
> David Blewett
>
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Re: [ZODB-Dev] Status of gocept.zeoraid

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Theune
On 10/20/2010 09:46 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 07:11 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
>> On 20/10/2010 17:03, Sylvain Viollon wrote:
>>>  One of my customers would like to use gocept.zeoraid in production.
>>>  So him, and I have some questions:
>>>
>>>  - Is it stable enough to be used in production ?
>>
>> No.
>
> Ack. It's called beta.

Then again I should add that I did think it's OK to go forward with 
caution, but that didn't help. :/

Christian

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] Status of gocept.zeoraid

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Theune
On 10/20/2010 07:11 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
> On 20/10/2010 17:03, Sylvain Viollon wrote:
>> One of my customers would like to use gocept.zeoraid in production.
>> So him, and I have some questions:
>>
>> - Is it stable enough to be used in production ?
>
> No.

Ack. It's called beta.

I do need people interested in using it to try it out *seriously*, though.

Chris hit quite a wall even when testing it for a while. I've got some 
data from that but the lesson is: don't think it's ready for (your) 
production if you haven't run it in (your) production successfully.

>> - Does it bring speed improvements over regular ZEO setup (I don't
>>   think so) ?
>
> No. It is currently 5 times slower when tested with zodbshootout.

And there will likely never will be speed improvements over regular ZEO. 
I was a bit shocked when I looked at the actual slowness, but then 
again, I didn't think about performance at all.

(In standalone mode there is a slight chance that you can load 
read-requests off to multiple backend servers. Haven't tried it, though. 
And it won't be available in co-op mode.

>> - Does it work with blobs ? I will have a blob directory shared
>>   between different servers. Can I use it to access and edit directly
>>   the blob in that directory ?
>
> Don't know.

Nope. The blob directory (even with regular ZODB) is a managed area like 
the data in your Data.fs. (You wouldn't go editing that data with your 
editor, would you?)

Christian

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] Status of gocept.zeoraid

2010-10-20 Thread Chris Withers
On 20/10/2010 17:03, Sylvain Viollon wrote:
>One of my customers would like to use gocept.zeoraid in production.
>So him, and I have some questions:
>
>- Is it stable enough to be used in production ?

No.

>- Does it bring speed improvements over regular ZEO setup (I don't
>  think so) ?

No. It is currently 5 times slower when tested with zodbshootout.

>- Does it work with blobs ? I will have a blob directory shared
>  between different servers. Can I use it to access and edit directly
>  the blob in that directory ?

Don't know.

Chris

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[ZODB-Dev] Status of gocept.zeoraid

2010-10-20 Thread Sylvain Viollon
Hello,

  One of my customers would like to use gocept.zeoraid in production.
  So him, and I have some questions:

  - Is it stable enough to be used in production ?

  - Does it bring speed improvements over regular ZEO setup (I don't
think so) ?

  - Does it work with blobs ? I will have a blob directory shared
between different servers. Can I use it to access and edit directly
the blob in that directory ?

  Regards,

  Sylvain,

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] RelStorage and PostgreSQL's VACUUM

2010-10-20 Thread David Blewett
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Noe Misael Nieto Arroyo
 wrote:
> And if yes, What kind of VACUUM is good? FULL, CLUSTER?

VACUUM FULL is almost never a good idea; autovac should be sufficient
for most needs, and can be tweaked to meet particular performance
issues. I have had very good results doing a CLUSTER after an initial
zodbconvert run to significantly reduce the size of the database. I
highly recommend doing CLUSTER after any large data loads.

David Blewett
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