[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ Merged 40370 from 2.9 branch:

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume
Log message for revision 40371:
  Merged 40370 from 2.9 branch:
  
  Send ContainerModifiedEvent when appropriate.
  
  This requires Five 1.3+ = r20254.
  
  Some BBB has been kept until Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in.
  
  

Changed:
  U   Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py
  U   Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py
  U   Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/OrderSupport.py
  U   Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/BTreeFolder2/BTreeFolder2.py

-=-
Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py
===
--- Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py2005-11-25 18:47:48 UTC (rev 
40370)
+++ Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py2005-11-25 18:50:38 UTC (rev 
40371)
@@ -37,6 +37,8 @@
 from zope.event import notify
 from zope.app.event.objectevent import ObjectCopiedEvent
 from zope.app.container.contained import ObjectMovedEvent
+import Products.Five # BBB: until Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
+from zope.app.container.contained import notifyContainerModified
 from OFS.event import ObjectWillBeMovedEvent
 from OFS.event import ObjectClonedEvent
 import OFS.subscribers
@@ -273,6 +275,9 @@
 ob = self._getOb(id)
 
 notify(ObjectMovedEvent(ob, orig_container, orig_id, self, id))
+notifyContainerModified(orig_container)
+if aq_base(orig_container) is not aq_base(self):
+notifyContainerModified(self)
 
 ob._postCopy(self, op=1)
 # try to make ownership implicit if possible
@@ -346,6 +351,7 @@
 ob = self._getOb(new_id)
 
 notify(ObjectMovedEvent(ob, self, id, self, new_id))
+notifyContainerModified(self)
 
 ob._postCopy(self, op=1)
 

Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py
===
--- Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py  2005-11-25 18:47:48 UTC (rev 
40370)
+++ Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py  2005-11-25 18:50:38 UTC (rev 
40371)
@@ -53,6 +53,8 @@
 from zope.event import notify
 from zope.app.container.contained import ObjectAddedEvent
 from zope.app.container.contained import ObjectRemovedEvent
+import Products.Five # BBB: until Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
+from zope.app.container.contained import notifyContainerModified
 from OFS.event import ObjectWillBeAddedEvent
 from OFS.event import ObjectWillBeRemovedEvent
 import OFS.subscribers
@@ -312,6 +314,7 @@
 
 if not suppress_events:
 notify(ObjectAddedEvent(ob, self, id))
+notifyContainerModified(self)
 
 OFS.subscribers.compatibilityCall('manage_afterAdd', ob, ob, self)
 
@@ -360,6 +363,7 @@
 
 if not suppress_events:
 notify(ObjectRemovedEvent(ob, self, id))
+notifyContainerModified(self)
 
 security.declareProtected(access_contents_information, 'objectIds')
 def objectIds(self, spec=None):

Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/OrderSupport.py
===
--- Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/OrderSupport.py   2005-11-25 18:47:48 UTC (rev 
40370)
+++ Zope/trunk/lib/python/OFS/OrderSupport.py   2005-11-25 18:50:38 UTC (rev 
40371)
@@ -24,6 +24,8 @@
 from DocumentTemplate.sequence import sort
 from Globals import InitializeClass
 from zope.interface import implements
+import Products.Five # BBB: until Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
+from zope.app.container.contained import notifyContainerModified
 
 from interfaces import IOrderedContainer as z3IOrderedContainer
 from IOrderSupport import IOrderedContainer as z2IOrderedContainer
@@ -135,7 +137,8 @@
 #
 
 security.declareProtected(manage_properties, 'moveObjectsByDelta')
-def moveObjectsByDelta(self, ids, delta, subset_ids=None):
+def moveObjectsByDelta(self, ids, delta, subset_ids=None,
+   suppress_events=False):
  Move specified sub-objects by delta.
 
 if type(ids) is StringType:
@@ -180,6 +183,9 @@
  'not exist.' % subset_ids[pos])
 self._objects = tuple(objects)
 
+if not suppress_events:
+notifyContainerModified(self)
+
 return counter
 
 security.declareProtected(manage_properties, 'moveObjectsUp')
@@ -227,11 +233,12 @@
 raise ValueError('The object with the id %s does not exist.' % id)
 
 security.declareProtected(manage_properties, 'moveObjectToPosition')
-def moveObjectToPosition(self, id, position):
+def moveObjectToPosition(self, id, position, suppress_events=False):
  Move specified object to absolute position.
 
 delta = position - self.getObjectPosition(id)
-return self.moveObjectsByDelta(id, delta)
+return self.moveObjectsByDelta(id, delta,
+   suppress_events=suppress_events)
 
 

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/ Updated to Five 1.3b4.

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume
Log message for revision 40372:
  Updated to Five 1.3b4.
  
  

Changed:
  U   Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/CHANGES.txt
  U   Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/__init__.py
  U   Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/tests/event.txt
  U   Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/tests/test_security.py
  U   Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/version.txt

-=-
Modified: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/CHANGES.txt
===
--- Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/CHANGES.txt  2005-11-25 
18:50:38 UTC (rev 40371)
+++ Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/CHANGES.txt  2005-11-25 
21:21:52 UTC (rev 40372)
@@ -2,6 +2,16 @@
 Five Changes
 
 
+Five 1.3b4 (2005-11-25)
+===
+
+Restructuring
+-
+
+* Cleaned up security test.
+
+* Made Five send a ContainerModifiedEvent when appropriate.
+
 Five 1.3b3 (2005-11-19)
 ===
 

Modified: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/__init__.py
===
--- Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/__init__.py  2005-11-25 
18:50:38 UTC (rev 40371)
+++ Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/__init__.py  2005-11-25 
21:21:52 UTC (rev 40372)
@@ -13,13 +13,17 @@
 ##
 Initialize the Five product
 
-$Id: __init__.py 12884 2005-05-30 13:10:41Z philikon $
+$Id: __init__.py 20254 2005-11-25 18:45:08Z efge $
 
 import Acquisition
 from Globals import INSTANCE_HOME
 
+import monkey # BBB: goes away when Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
 import zcml
 
+# trigger monkey patches
+monkey.monkeyPatch()
+
 # public API provided by Five
 # usage: from Products.Five import something
 from browser import BrowserView

Modified: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/tests/event.txt
===
--- Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/tests/event.txt  2005-11-25 
18:50:38 UTC (rev 40371)
+++ Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Products/Five/tests/event.txt  2005-11-25 
21:21:52 UTC (rev 40372)
@@ -105,6 +105,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent sub
   ObjectAddedEvent sub
   old manage_afterAdd sub sub folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   'sub'
sub = folder.sub
ob = MyContent('dog')
@@ -112,6 +113,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent dog
   ObjectAddedEvent dog
   old manage_afterAdd dog dog sub
+  ContainerModifiedEvent sub
   'dog'
 
 And when we rename the subfolder, manage_beforeDelete is also called
@@ -126,6 +128,7 @@
   old manage_afterAdd marine marine folder
   ObjectMovedEvent dog
   old manage_afterAdd dog marine folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
 
 Same thing for clone::
 
@@ -137,6 +140,7 @@
   old manage_afterAdd tank tank folder
   ObjectAddedEvent dog
   old manage_afterAdd dog tank folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   ObjectClonedEvent tank
   old manage_afterClone tank tank
   ObjectClonedEvent dog
@@ -161,6 +165,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent lassie
   ObjectAddedEvent lassie
   old manage_afterAdd lassie lassie folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   'lassie'
 
 And when we delete the object, manage_beforeDelete is also called and
@@ -170,6 +175,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeRemovedEvent lassie
   old manage_beforeDelete lassie lassie folder
   ObjectRemovedEvent lassie
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
 
 The old behavior happens for a move or a copy, with events too.
 For a move::
@@ -179,6 +185,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent blueberry
   ObjectAddedEvent blueberry
   old manage_afterAdd blueberry blueberry folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   'blueberry'
cp = folder.manage_cutObjects('blueberry')
folder.manage_pasteObjects(cp)
@@ -186,6 +193,7 @@
   old manage_beforeDelete blueberry blueberry folder
   ObjectMovedEvent blueberry
   old manage_afterAdd blueberry blueberry folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   [{'new_id': 'blueberry', 'id': 'blueberry'}]
 
 Old behavior with events for a copy::
@@ -196,6 +204,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent copy_of_blueberry
   ObjectAddedEvent copy_of_blueberry
   old manage_afterAdd copy_of_blueberry copy_of_blueberry folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   ObjectClonedEvent copy_of_blueberry
   old manage_afterClone copy_of_blueberry copy_of_blueberry
   [{'new_id': 'copy_of_blueberry', 'id': 'blueberry'}]
@@ -207,6 +216,7 @@
   old manage_beforeDelete copy_of_blueberry copy_of_blueberry folder
   ObjectMovedEvent myrtille
   old manage_afterAdd myrtille myrtille folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
 
 Old behavior with events for a clone::
 
@@ -215,6 +225,7 @@
   ObjectWillBeAddedEvent strawberry
   ObjectAddedEvent strawberry
   old manage_afterAdd strawberry strawberry folder
+  ContainerModifiedEvent folder
   ObjectClonedEvent strawberry
   old manage_afterClone strawberry strawberry
res.getId()
@@ -227,12 +238,14 

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/Five/monkey.py Forgotten in Five 1.3b4 merge.

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume
Log message for revision 40375:
  Forgotten in Five 1.3b4 merge.

Changed:
  A   Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/Five/monkey.py

-=-
Added: Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/Five/monkey.py
===
--- Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/Five/monkey.py   2005-11-25 21:30:04 UTC 
(rev 40374)
+++ Zope/trunk/lib/python/Products/Five/monkey.py   2005-11-25 21:30:39 UTC 
(rev 40375)
@@ -0,0 +1,71 @@
+##
+#
+# Copyright (c) 2005 Zope Corporation and Contributors.
+# All Rights Reserved.
+#
+# This software is subject to the provisions of the Zope Public License,
+# Version 2.1 (ZPL).  A copy of the ZPL should accompany this distribution.
+# THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS AND ANY AND ALL EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
+# WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
+# WARRANTIES OF TITLE, MERCHANTABILITY, AGAINST INFRINGEMENT, AND FITNESS
+# FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
+#
+##
+Bad monkey!
+
+BBB: goes away when Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
+
+$Id$
+
+def monkeyPatch():
+Trigger all monkey patches needed to make Five work.
+
+Monkey patches are kept to a minimum level.
+
+zope3_monkey()
+
+def zope3_monkey():
+Fix Zope 3 to have the proper ContainerModifiedEvent that has
+been added for 3.2.
+
+try:
+from zope.app.container.contained import notifyContainerModified
+except ImportError:
+pass
+else:
+return
+
+# BBB: goes away when Zope 3.2 = r40368 is stiched in
+
+from zope.event import notify
+from zope.interface import implements
+import zope.app.container.contained
+import zope.app.container.interfaces
+from zope.app.event.objectevent import ObjectModifiedEvent
+from zope.app.event.interfaces import IObjectModifiedEvent
+
+class IContainerModifiedEvent(IObjectModifiedEvent):
+The container has been modified.
+
+This event is specific to containerness modifications, which
+means addition, removal or reordering of sub-objects.
+
+
+zope.app.container.interfaces.IContainerModifiedEvent = \
+IContainerModifiedEvent
+
+
+class ContainerModifiedEvent(ObjectModifiedEvent):
+The container has been modified.
+implements(IContainerModifiedEvent)
+
+zope.app.container.contained.ContainerModifiedEvent = \
+ContainerModifiedEvent
+
+
+def notifyContainerModified(object, *descriptions):
+Notify that the container was modified.
+notify(ContainerModifiedEvent(object, *descriptions))
+
+zope.app.container.contained.notifyContainerModified = \
+notifyContainerModified


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[Zope-dev] I volunteer to make ConflictError handling better if you guys can help me ;-)

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Dieter Maurer wrote:

What is this telling me?


It is incredibly stupid.


So I'm gathering...


The message above only tells you, that (at the given time)
a request for /some_uri resulted in a ConflictError
and that since startup (at the given time) 347 conflicts occured.

Unfortunately, it does not tell you

  *  what object caused the conflict

  *  whether it is a read or a write conflict
 (read conflicts are very rare since MVCC introduction,
 but they may still happen)

  *  for write conflicts: what versions of the object did particate


...and most importantly, whether or not this conflict error was 
resolved! (ie: did the user see this as an error, or just poor performance?)



A long time ago, I posted an
extension making this additional information available (it
is all present in the exception instance. Zope is just too stupid
to read (and log) it).


I would really appreciate it if you could dig this out and give me a 
direct url. If you do, I promise I will see it gets properly merged into 
the Zope core...



Did the user actually see a ConflictError page?


Usually not.


...which, as I suspect you agree with me, simple isn't a good enough 
answer ;-)


I analysed the logs from our cluster and we're getting about 450 
conflict errors in our busiest hours when the cluster of 8 ZEO clients 
is taking about 11,000 hits in that hour.


Is this 'bad'?


I would not be happy: it is about 5 %.


Yeah, me neither, but it would be great to quantify all of this :-)


If so, where should I start to make things better?


You find out which objects cause the conflicts.

You analyse what you can do to reduce concurrent writes
to these objects (split into separate persistent subobjects)
or whether you can provide conflict resolution.


...and I think the best way to get cracking with this is to improve 
logging and tidy up the retrying code for ConflictError. I've 
volunteered to do that, and will get to it asap, but I'm gonna need as 
much help as possible, particularly in reviewing code.


OK, I'm guessing I'll cut a branch when I start, I really want this to 
land ASAP. Where should I start from? Will there be more 2.8 releases or 
should I go for 2.9 and then merge to the trunk?


cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope-dev] Not-really-unit-testing ideas.

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Fred Drake wrote:

On 11/23/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Basically, I'd like to create a site once, and use it for all
subsequent tests, until I made a change that means the site needs to
be recreated. But how? Well, I'm not sure. How, for example, could I


Jim's new test runner includes support for layers, which solves
this issue.  I think the Zope 2 trunk is already using the new test
runner; you can also use it on the Zope 3 trunk.  We're using test
layers extensively here, and it really helps.


Cool, how does a Zope 2.8.4 developer go about findout out about these 
layers and using them?


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: How bad _are_ ConflictErrors

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Florent Guillaume wrote:


I'm actually not sure what's logged when a Conflict Error makes it back 
to the users, offhand I don't see anything in my logs. Can someone 
confirm or infirm that fact?


Well, I can agree based on empirical evidence. I have MailingLogger 
(sorry, I really feel the need to plug this product more!) on all the 
clusters where I have ConflictError problems, and it's never once mailed 
me a log entry containing one :-(



If nothing is logged, I'll add something at level ERROR.


Has this been done? If not, I volunteer to do it as part of my upcoming 
make COnflictErrors suck less work ;-)


BTW does someone have a handy script to provoke conflict errors on a 
naked Zope?


from ZODB.POSException import ConflictError
raise ConflictError

;-)

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[Zope-dev] ConflictError shouldn't subclass Exception

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Hi All,

Chris McDonough wrote:
Is this the number of log messages that indicate a conflict error  
occurred (e.g. x conflict errors since DATE messages in the event  
log) or the number of conflict errors that are retried more than  three 
times and thus make it out to the app user?  I'm guessing the  former.


I'm interested to see that this causes everyone the same level of 
confusion ;-) I'll reply to the other message about this though...


The real reason they're called errors is only because they're  
implemented as Python exceptions.  They are implemented as exceptions  
because it was the easiest mechanism to use (exceptions are already  
built into Python).


Interestingly, you can raise things that don't subclass Exception in 
python. This was discussed before, and I firmly agree with, that zodb 
conflicts should _not_ sublcass exception. That way, there's less chance 
of them being caught by inexperienced programmers putting in try: except 
Exception: 's.


How would we go about making this change?

The Zope conflict exception catching code is written in such a  
complicated way (and without the benefit of any automated tests) that  
tracking that down could take an entire day which I don't have to  burn 
ATM.  So I'm afraid the status quo will prevail until someone  gets so 
indignant about it that they either pay for it to be fixed or  fix it 
themselves.  Apologies for that. :-(


Okay, I'll bite, I might well be able to stump up the paid time on this 
if you guys can help me justify it as a performance improvement :-)


I hope I can count on a bit of moral and intellectual support if I 
manage to make this happen!


cheers,

Chris

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[Zope-dev] Re: How bad _are_ ConflictErrors

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume

Chris Withers wrote:

If nothing is logged, I'll add something at level ERROR.



Has this been done? If not, I volunteer to do it as part of my upcoming 
make COnflictErrors suck less work ;-)


I'm working on it at the moment.

BTW does someone have a handy script to provoke conflict errors on a 
naked Zope?



from ZODB.POSException import ConflictError
raise ConflictError


Guess what, I know that. But I want a real ConflictError, to see what 
useful info about involved objects I can log.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: How bad _are_ ConflictErrors

2005-11-25 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 11:22:32AM +0100, Florent Guillaume wrote:
| Guess what, I know that. But I want a real ConflictError, to see what 
| useful info about involved objects I can log.

I'm pretty sure there are ZODB tests that exercise the creation and
handling of ConflictError.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Not-really-unit-testing ideas.

2005-11-25 Thread Jim Fulton

Chris Withers wrote:

Fred Drake wrote:


On 11/23/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Basically, I'd like to create a site once, and use it for all
subsequent tests, until I made a change that means the site needs to
be recreated. But how? Well, I'm not sure. How, for example, could I



Jim's new test runner includes support for layers, which solves
this issue.  I think the Zope 2 trunk is already using the new test
runner; you can also use it on the Zope 3 trunk.  We're using test
layers extensively here, and it really helps.



Cool, how does a Zope 2.8.4 developer go about findout out about these 
layers and using them?


Look at http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/trunk/src/zope/testing/.

Unfortunately, there isn't really documentation on what layers
are for or how to write them.  This is a an ommission that needs
to be addressed.  You should be able to use the new test runner
in 2.8.  We use it with 3.1. It is included in 2.9 and 3.2.

To see how layers are are used, look at zope.app.testing.functional
on the Z3 trunk.  The Zope 3 functional tests are now provided via
a layer.  In the coming months we'll be releasing packages that use
layers to provide independent functional tests.

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[Zope-dev] removing test.py from path

2005-11-25 Thread Tarek Ziadé

Hello,

Benji recently changed test.py in Z3 in order to avoid collision name 
with the standard python 'test' module.


I bumped into the same problem running tests under Z 2.8.
I would like to add this change as well in Z 2.8 bin/test.py if no one 
objects.


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Re: [Zope-dev] removing test.py from path

2005-11-25 Thread Tarek Ziadé

Tarek Ziadé wrote:


Hello,

Benji recently changed test.py in Z3 in order to avoid collision name 
with the standard python 'test' module.


I bumped into the same problem running tests under Z 2.8.
I would like to add this change as well in Z 2.8 bin/test.py if no one 
objects.


oups, tipo, (Z2 trunk, i mean)

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[Zope-dev] More events

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume
I've made changes so that Five and (Zope 2.9  Zope 2 trunk) send  
IContainerModifiedEvents when appropriate. These events are new in  
Zope 3.2, and subclass IObjectModifiedEvents.


This is of course available in Five 1.2 and Five 1.3.

I still have to stich in a snapshot of Five 1.3 into Zope 2.9 and  
Zope 2 trunk to make them work. I'll do that later today.


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[Zope-dev] ConflictError shouldn't subclass Exception

2005-11-25 Thread Patrick Gerken
2005/11/24, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Interestingly, you can raise things that don't subclass Exception in
 python. This was discussed before, and I firmly agree with, that zodb
 conflicts should _not_ sublcass exception. That way, there's less chance
 of them being caught by inexperienced programmers putting in try: except
 Exception: 's.

 How would we go about making this change?

class my_own_exception:
  pass

try:
  raise my_own_exception()
except:
  print Doesn't help against inexperienced programmers. sadly

You can even raise a string, which is accidently done in zope2 and
where my with provided solution and unit test is pending.
It is better to beat people using except: without good reasons.

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Re: [Zope-dev] ConflictError shouldn't subclass Exception

2005-11-25 Thread Chris McDonough


On Nov 25, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Patrick Gerken wrote:


2005/11/24, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Interestingly, you can raise things that don't subclass Exception in
python. This was discussed before, and I firmly agree with, that zodb
conflicts should _not_ sublcass exception. That way, there's less  
chance
of them being caught by inexperienced programmers putting in try:  
except

Exception: 's.

How would we go about making this change?


class my_own_exception:
  pass

try:
  raise my_own_exception()
except:
  print Doesn't help against inexperienced programmers. sadly

You can even raise a string, which is accidently done in zope2 and
where my with provided solution and unit test is pending.
It is better to beat people using except: without good reasons.


Yup.  Lots of talk has been going on on python-dev about putting  
exceptions into multiple hierarchies lately, which would solve the  
problem at the right level.


- C


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Re: [Zope-dev] I volunteer to make ConflictError handling better if you guys can help me ;-)

2005-11-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-11-24 19:42 +:
 ...
I would really appreciate it if you could dig this out and give me a 
direct url. If you do, I promise I will see it gets properly merged into 
the Zope core...

You know that I *never* search for others (I hate searching).

But I can show you the code, we currently use in our Zope version
(which has the improved logging and some other fixes):

if issubclass(t, ConflictError):
# First, we need to close the current connection. We'll
# do this by releasing the hold on it. There should be
# some sane protocol for this, but for now we'll use
# brute force:
global conflict_errors
conflict_errors = conflict_errors + 1
method_name = REQUEST.get('PATH_INFO', '')
err = ('ZODB conflict error at %s: %s'
   '(%s conflicts since startup at %s)')
LOG(err % (method_name, str(v), conflict_errors, startup_time),
INFO, '')
LOG('Conflict traceback', BLATHER, '', error=sys.exc_info())
raise ZPublisher.Retry(t, v, traceback)
# DM 2005-06-28: work around lost retry exception logs problem
#  (reported by Malcolm Cleaton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
#  in the mailing list)
#if t is ZPublisher.Retry: v.reraise()
if t is ZPublisher.Retry:
try: v.reraise()
except: t, v, traceback = sys.exc_info()

This code sits in Zope2.App.startup.zpublisher_exception_hook.

The improved logging is achieved by including str(v) (v contains
the exception value) into the log message (it is that easy).


The last part (marked with DM 2005-06-28) fixes a problem that
your error_log/standard_error_message will not see any ConflictError.

   While it is correct that the error_log/standard_error_message
   should not see ConflictErrors that are retried;
   it should see (and if configured correspondingly
   log) the ConflictErrors that go out to the user.

With this fix, you do not need special handling (e.g. logging)
of ConflictErrors that go out to the user.
They can (and should) just be handled as any other exception.

Did the user actually see a ConflictError page?
 
 Usually not.

...which, as I suspect you agree with me, simple isn't a good enough 
answer ;-)

Add the fix shown above -- and the really problematic
ConflictErrors (those seen by your customer) are handled the same
way as other exceptions seen by your customer (a good thing!).

 ...
 I would not be happy: it is about 5 %.

Yeah, me neither, but it would be great to quantify all of this :-)

But, you can't.

   It is very difficult to quantify statistics precisely...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: How bad _are_ ConflictErrors

2005-11-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Florent Guillaume wrote at 2005-11-25 11:22 +0100:
 ...
Guess what, I know that. But I want a real ConflictError, to see what 
useful info about involved objects I can log.

The only thing you need to log is str(conflict_error_value).
ConflictError does a good job to provide all available information
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Re: [Zope-dev] ConflictError shouldn't subclass Exception

2005-11-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-11-24 19:34 +:
 ...
and I firmly agree with, that zodb 
conflicts should _not_ sublcass exception.

-1

That way, there's less chance 
of them being caught by inexperienced programmers putting in try: except 
Exception: 's.

Most people that use an unrestricted try ... except ...
use try: ... except: ... and not try: ... except Exception: ...,
thus your proposal will not help much...

How would we go about making this change?

Do not do it at all.



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[Zope-dev] Zope-2.8.4 Problem with Plone-2.1.1

2005-11-25 Thread Tony Addyman
I am running Plone-2.1.1. I recently upgraded from zope-2.8.3 to zope-2.8.4
with no apparent issues. However, today when I attempted to view the
properties of the Document content type within portal_types, i.e. I used a
URL ending with /portal_types/Document/manage_propertiesForm. I received
the following error message. The problem happened with all the content
types, not just this one. I switched back to zope-2.8.3 and the problem
went away. Just so you know. Does this need reporting as a bug? If so, does
it go to the zope collector or the plone collector?

Something similar was reported ages ago with zope-2.6.3 and CMF, but it may
not be related.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 113, in publish
request, bind=1)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 88, in mapply
if debug is not None: return debug(object,args,context)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 40, in call_object
result=apply(object,args) # Type scr to step into published object.
  File /var/opt/zope/default/Products/CMFCore/utils.py, line 405, in
manage_propertiesForm
return form(self, REQUEST, *args, **my_kw)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 311, in
__call__
return self._bindAndExec(args, kw, None)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 348, in
_bindAndExec
return self._exec(bound_data, args, kw)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 175, in _exec
try: result = render_blocks(self._v_blocks, ns)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 703, in
renderwob
try: append(render(section, md))
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py, line 76, in render
return render_blocks(self.section, md)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 196, in eval
return eval(code, d)
  File string, line 0, in ?
AttributeError: min

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[Zope-dev] Re: More events

2005-11-25 Thread Florent Guillaume

Florent Guillaume wrote:
I've made changes so that Five and (Zope 2.9  Zope 2 trunk) send  
IContainerModifiedEvents when appropriate. These events are new in  Zope 
3.2, and subclass IObjectModifiedEvents.


This is of course available in Five 1.2 and Five 1.3.

I still have to stich in a snapshot of Five 1.3 into Zope 2.9 and  Zope 
2 trunk to make them work. I'll do that later today.


Done. Phew. As some of you may know, it's a pain to merge from different 
repositories.


A few BBB are left in Five and Zope because I didn't realize 2.9 and 2 
trunk were tracking Zope 3.2 trunk. I'll remove them later.


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[Zope-dev] Re: Zope-2.8.4 Problem with Plone-2.1.1

2005-11-25 Thread Alexander Limi

Put it in the Plone issue tracker, and we'll have a look at it.

PS: Don't cross-post to lists when you want to ask several lists about the  
same - post individual messages, a lot of people don't like cross-posting.  
(Personally I don't really care, but... :)


-- Alexander

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:33:11 -0800, Tony Addyman  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am running Plone-2.1.1. I recently upgraded from zope-2.8.3 to  
zope-2.8.4

with no apparent issues. However, today when I attempted to view the
properties of the Document content type within portal_types, i.e. I used  
a

URL ending with /portal_types/Document/manage_propertiesForm. I received
the following error message. The problem happened with all the content
types, not just this one. I switched back to zope-2.8.3 and the problem
went away. Just so you know. Does this need reporting as a bug? If so,  
does

it go to the zope collector or the plone collector?

Something similar was reported ages ago with zope-2.6.3 and CMF, but it  
may

not be related.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 113, in publish
request, bind=1)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 88, in mapply
if debug is not None: return debug(object,args,context)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 40, in  
call_object

result=apply(object,args) # Type scr to step into published object.
  File /var/opt/zope/default/Products/CMFCore/utils.py, line 405, in
manage_propertiesForm
return form(self, REQUEST, *args, **my_kw)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 311, in
__call__
return self._bindAndExec(args, kw, None)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 348, in
_bindAndExec
return self._exec(bound_data, args, kw)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 175, in _exec
try: result = render_blocks(self._v_blocks, ns)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 703, in
renderwob
try: append(render(section, md))
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py, line 76, in  
render

return render_blocks(self.section, md)
  File /opt/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 196, in  
eval

return eval(code, d)
  File string, line 0, in ?
AttributeError: min

Tony Addyman




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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Peter Bengtsson wrote:

-1 on making DateTime deprecated. I'm sure thousands of zope people
use DateTime in thousands of places. Technically it might be correct
deprecate it but politically it's just going to put people off from
upgrading.


I'm sure it would be fairly trivial to write an unpgrader, but really, 
deprecating it, even if the deprecation period is fairly long, is the 
only sane way to tackle this...


cheers,

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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Lennart Regebro wrote:

It depends on what you mena with deprecated. It *is* deprecated from
the point of view, that if you start developing something new now,
then don't use it.


Really? What should we be using instead then?


It is not deprecated in the way that this will go away in the
future, though. It must stay for backwards compatibility reasons, but
if it can be fixed, than this would be a Good Thing.


I honestly think it _should_ go away, just with plenty of notice...

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Re: [Zope] 120MB file import failures

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Withers

Michael Dexter wrote:


I apologize if this is a FAQ, I could not find the answer.

I would like to put a 120MB file into ZODB and it is constantly failing.


Have a look at Tramlines from Infrae...

cheers,

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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 11/25/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Really? What should we be using instead then?

datetime works much better in most cases.

 I honestly think it _should_ go away, just with plenty of notice...

Well, possibly.

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[Zope] Creating a DTM Document in a variable folder.

2005-11-25 Thread Martin Koekenberg


Hello,


I 
don'thave any Python experience yet, so who has a solution for this 
'problem'.



Example:


I 
've 3 folders a, b  c.
I 
want to create a dtml document in a folder by a form. The folder is a 
variable in my form.

The formis no problem, the form action is no problem. The python script to 
craete that document is my problem.



How can I create a DTM Document in a variable container ? 



Regards,



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[Zope] Psycopg export/import

2005-11-25 Thread William Herring
As part of an object, I have exported several zsql methods from Zope 2.2.2
and imported to Zope 2.6.2.  In the later version I am using Psycopg as a
database connection to Postgres.  It is working fine for all ZSQL methods I
have created within 2.6.2.

However, the methods I imported from Zope 2.2.2 do not connect to the
database.  Message is Warning: The database connection for this method
cannot be found!.  However, the Connection ID is shown and all appears to
be in place.

An ideas?  Thanks in advance.


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Re: [Zope] Creating a DTM Document in a variable folder.

2005-11-25 Thread Peter Bengtsson
folder = getattr(context, 'b')
adder = folder.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].methodAdd
adder('index.html', 'Some title')

That creates it with default content. To change it you'll have to call
dtmlm = getattr(context, 'index.html')
dtmlm.manage_edit(bla bla bla bla bla, 'Same title')
# or
f = open('/tmp/foobar.html')
dtmlm.manage_upload(f)




On 11/25/05, Martin Koekenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello,

 I don't have any Python experience yet, so who has a solution for this
 'problem'.

  Example:

 I 've 3 folders a, b  c.
 I want to create a dtml document in a folder by a form. The folder is a
 variable in my form.
  The formis no problem, the form action is no problem. The python script to
 craete that document is my problem.

  How can I create a DTM Document in a variable container ?

  Regards,

  Martin Koekenberg

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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Dennis Allison

If I have a vote, +1 on deprecation and replacement with something less
buggy.  We have spent enormous amounts of time trying to sort out and then
work around DateTime problems.  On the other hand, we have a substantial
amount of code that uses DateTime and finally, mostlyt works.  We'd be
unhappy if we had to rewrite everything--so a long deprecation period
makes sense.

Timezones, BTW are just the tip of the iceberg.  Datetime tries to be
a it just works solution to an inherently ambiguous problem and 
incorporates many surprises.




On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Chris Withers wrote:

 Peter Bengtsson wrote:
  -1 on making DateTime deprecated. I'm sure thousands of zope people
  use DateTime in thousands of places. Technically it might be correct
  deprecate it but politically it's just going to put people off from
  upgrading.
 
 I'm sure it would be fairly trivial to write an unpgrader, but really, 
 deprecating it, even if the deprecation period is fairly long, is the 
 only sane way to tackle this...
 
 cheers,
 
 Chris
 
 

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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 25. November 2005 12:22:05 -0800 Dennis Allison 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




If I have a vote, +1 on deprecation and replacement with something less
buggy.


You can only deprecate when you have something better. As long as there is 
no useful replacemenet there is nothing to deprecate :-)


-aj



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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Dennis Allison

True.  But the context of this thread was whether deprecation made sense 
or not.  I was agreeing with Chris that the DateTime problems are better 
solved by replacement than by patching, but also that there is a large 
amount of code that has been made to work using the current DataTime and 
that investment needs to be protected.   


On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Andreas Jung wrote:

 
 
 --On 25. November 2005 12:22:05 -0800 Dennis Allison 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  If I have a vote, +1 on deprecation and replacement with something less
  buggy.
 
 You can only deprecate when you have something better. As long as there is 
 no useful replacemenet there is nothing to deprecate :-)
 
 -aj
 
 

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Re: [Zope] Psycopg export/import

2005-11-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
William Herring wrote at 2005-11-25 11:31 -0500:
 ...
However, the methods I imported from Zope 2.2.2 do not connect to the
database.  Message is Warning: The database connection for this method
cannot be found!.  However, the Connection ID is shown and all appears to
be in place.

Where is this message?
Comes it from an exception? If so, with what traceback?


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Re: [Zope] 120MB file import failures

2005-11-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Michael Dexter wrote at 2005-11-24 11:49 -0800:
I apologize if this is a FAQ, I could not find the answer.

I would like to put a 120MB file into ZODB and it is constantly failing.

But you should have learned that you cannot simply say is failing
but must describe precisely (error information, traceback) *how*
it is failing...

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Re: [Zope] DateTime mess

2005-11-25 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 25. November 2005 12:43:48 -0800 Dennis Allison 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




True.  But the context of this thread was whether deprecation made sense
or not.  I was agreeing with Chris that the DateTime problems are better
solved by replacement than by patching, but also that there is a large
amount of code that has been made to work using the current DataTime and
that investment needs to be protected.



I agree that is should be replaced but I also mentioned that we tried to 
achieve that already some years ago and we gave upso talking about 
deprecation really makes sense when someone puts a replacement module on 
the table. I know that the DateTime module is a piece of crap but crap you 
can live mostly with (as long as you don't need timezones :-)).


-aj


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